How Do We Escape Computer Controlled Propaganda Flow

[Karl]

On Mon, Nov 9, 2020 at 3:22 PM \0xDynamite <dreamingforward at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > So which do you prefer:  accountability or anonymity?  The power goes
> > > both ways.  Pick one.
> >
> >         This is the cypherpunks mailing list? Weren't cypherpunks advocates of anonimity or something?
>
> Geez man, can't you pick up on it when someone's trying to teach you something?
>
> Anonymity and accountability are two contrary aims.  If you want one,
> you don't get the other.  Get it?
>
> > > >         but all those things are controlled by political power. 'information flow' is controlled by US corporations at a global scale for instance.
> > >
> > > No these things are not just controlled by political power.
> >
> >         I mean, abstract mathematics is obviously NOT controlled by political power, but all the infrastructure clearly is.
>
> No, contrary to your anarcho-punk philosophy, all power is not held in
> politics.  Much of the hardware is controlled by base economic forces
> of simply wanting to get money.  Snowden is a sheep in whistleblower
> clothing -- his "knowledge" of seekrit powers in tech devices is
> bullshit.  There are also social forces driving things.  Unfortunately
> the powers that run the world are at level 100 or so, while the people
> are generally at LVL 20 or less, so they get mystified, used,
> confused, and paranoid.   You've fallen under it because you don't
> have mastery of the tech.  That's all.  Get a degree and become a real
> expert or learn by yourself by following paths online, like the one I
> put on hackerspaces.org (OneTruePath).  OR, get this, simply be

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> respectful to other people who HAVE done this work and learn something
> from THEM.
>
> Until then, you're just a loudmouth.
>
> >         Point being, cryptography by itself will get you nowhere, AND cryptography is a pretty toxic tool in the hands of the political powers that control its practical application.
>
> Cryptography by itself *has* gotten us nowhere, because nothing we
> REALLY wanted to do required going against the law.  And what is it
> that we REALLY want to do?  (hmm, free society, creative culture,
> radical love, ....)
>
> \0xD