AnarchoPunk Update

Zenaan Harkness zen at
Wed Apr 10 19:56:32 PDT 2019

On Wed, Apr 10, 2019 at 09:24:20PM -0400, Steve Kinney wrote:
> On 4/10/19 8:29 PM, Punk wrote:
> > On Wed, 10 Apr 2019 19:02:02 -0400
> > Steve Kinney <admin at> wrote:
> >> The inherent logical disconnect between anarchy and law enforcement
> >> underlines the irrelevance of /most/ debate about how an anarchist
> >> society should be run.
> > 
> > 	Learning what lunatics like berwick and co. think is valuable. And the idea that they are representatives of anarchist philosophy is of course completely laughable. 
> > 
> >> I prefer what used to be called frontier justice:  When someone makes
> >> enough trouble to motivate enough people to do something about it, they
> >> act:  Maybe a good talking-to; if that fails to curb the behavior in
> >> question, maybe running the offender out of town; if that seems
> >> inadequate to protect the community, maybe killing the bastard.
> > 
> > 	Who are you planning to kill, exactly? And what sort of 'crime' gets you first a 'talk' and then gets you murdered? Not sure how any of your comments addresses any of the points I made. 
> Nobody 'tall.  But any society /will/ act to protect itself against
> people who exhibit chronic violent behavior - with exceptions where
> civilized societies reward that behavior so long as it serves the
> purposes of the worst offenders, its ruling class.
> >> Frontier justice is not perfect, but it's the best system we have.
> >  
> >> Compare the Libertarian belief that incorruptible Courts adjudicating
> >> tort claims, 
> > 
> > 
> > 	yeah but not the point at hand. And anarchy isn't frontier 'justice' either. Whatever you mean by 'justice'.
> Anarchy simply means the absence of a social command hierarchy acting
> through coercive means.  Anarchism denotes theoretical consideration and
> rhetoric related to defining and implementing (relatively) nonviolent
> social conventions and behavior.
> The word "justice" indicates "adjustment."
> Lao Tzu say:  "A man most conversant in the rites acts, but when no one
> responds, rolls up his sleeves and resorts to persuasion by force."
> The most typical problems with any idealistic -ism arise when people
> take abstract ideas literally and try to apply them without
> consideration of material context in the real world.  As guiding
> principles, abstractions like "anarchy" can deliver a lot of value; but
> as explicit instructions held to apply universally, they often achieve
> the exact opposite of their intended results.

Reminder of the town of anarchy:

  [ANARCHY] Town posts armed guards to stop contraband entry

    A Mexican Town Overthrew Their Local Government
    And Things Are Going Great

    The town of Cherán, Mexico was once plagued… Cherán is now run by
    autonomous groups of armed individuals… members of an autonomous
    militia — guard every entrance to the town, looking for strangers
    with contraband…

    “Contraband” would be considered political propaganda posters of
    those who claim the right to rule other human beings.

    …Cherán has achieved something unthinkable in Michoacán: a
    dramatic drop in murder rates, with rates for other serious
    crimes hovering at nearly zero. For those in Mexico, especially
    in an election year marred by wanton political murders, Cherán
    stands as proof that, in the country’s entrenched cycle of
    violence, the key ingredient to that violence is the state.

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