Action Item on [cads] Community Council Meeting Minutes
Satoshi Matsuoka
matsu at is.titech.ac.jp
Thu May 25 02:42:42 CDT 2006
Apparently, eBusiness seems to be a common noun now with no apparent
ownership (say IBM).
There is the UK e-Science but notice the hyphen. eScience seems to be a
registered trademark of the American Chemical Society in the US.
So luckily the eBusiness/eScience in its literal form seems to have no
proprietary ownership in the Grid space, and may in fact be appropriate
in this context.
Satoshi at CERN
On Thu, 25 May 2006 09:36:02 +0200
Thilo Kielmann <kielmann at cs.vu.nl> wrote:
kielmann> On Wed, May 24, 2006 at 08:15:37PM -0400, Dennis Gannon wrote:
kielmann> >
kielmann> > i am also happy to go with the eScience/eBusiness pairing.
kielmann>
kielmann> Indeed, this looks like the best proposal, a pairing of two expressive
kielmann> words, indicating exactly (more or less) what we are aiming at.
kielmann>
kielmann>
kielmann> Thilo
kielmann>
kielmann> > dennis
kielmann> >
kielmann> > On Thu, 25 May 2006, Satoshi Matsuoka wrote:
kielmann> >
kielmann> > >
kielmann> > >
kielmann> > > I agree with Mark's assemsment that the naming should be considered as a
kielmann> > > pairing.
kielmann> > >
kielmann> > > And I believe eScienece and eBusiness does connotate some generality as
kielmann> > > a keyword rather than being somewhat solely priprietary to a particular
kielmann> > > project or business.
kielmann> > >
kielmann> > > As such I am somewhat leaning towards eScinece/eBusiness as well,
kielmann> > > although we could invent new words to express the "g word" by saying
kielmann> > > gScience and gBusiness :-)
kielmann> > >
kielmann> > > Satoshi at CERN
kielmann> > >
kielmann> > > mark.linesch>
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> So far, I think the contenders seem to be:
kielmann> > > mark.linesch>
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> eBusiness, eScience
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> Industry, Research
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> Enterprise, Research
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> Business, Science
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> ???????, Infrastructure
kielmann> > > mark.linesch>
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> I have to confess that I am leaning toward "eBusiness, eScience". I
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> realize that some do not like the "buzz word" nature of "e", however
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> this seems to be the closest thing to describe our two "communities" in
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> a somewhat clear and complementary manner using 1 word. I think these
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> terms may be better than "Business and Science" in that they are
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> commonly used to describe the "automation of business and scientific
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> tasks and processes" and are thus more narrowly defined than the general
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> terms of "Business, Science". I also believe they are more
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> complementary and descriptive than "Industry Research" or "Enterprise
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> Research".
kielmann> > > mark.linesch>
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> Anyway, thought I would share my thoughts and happy to change my mind at
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> least two or three more times :-) Mark
kielmann> > > mark.linesch>
kielmann> > > mark.linesch>
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> -----Original Message-----
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> From: owner-cads at ggf.org [mailto:owner-cads at ggf.org] On Behalf Of Thilo
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> Kielmann
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 8:08 AM
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> To: Alan Blatecky
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> Cc: gcf at indiana.edu; 'Catlett Charlie'; cads at ggf.org; 'Gwen
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> Nichols-White'
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> Subject: Re: Action Item on [cads] Community Council Meeting Minutes
kielmann> > > mark.linesch>
kielmann> > > mark.linesch>
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> On Wed, May 24, 2006 at 08:58:04AM -0400, Alan Blatecky wrote:
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > I don't think we should add infrastructure to the list....I think it
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > is too broad; moreover, it would even supersede and significantly
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > overlap with "Enterprise" and the business communities.
kielmann> > > mark.linesch>
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> I agree. Furthermore, "infrastructure" sounds too much like "Teragrid"
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> or "EGEE" which would be about building infrastructure. This would be
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> the wrong name for what we are looking for.
kielmann> > > mark.linesch>
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> In fact, we are looking for a nice name that says "research". This is
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> what we intend, to get a forum for academic grid folks in GGF. (After we
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> have scared away most of them.)
kielmann> > > mark.linesch>
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> "research" itself might not be sufficciently sexy to use.
kielmann> > > mark.linesch>
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> What about "technology"? (as in 'technology innovators' -- the term used
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> GGF internally for researchers?)
kielmann> > > mark.linesch>
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> I suggest to use either
kielmann> > > mark.linesch>
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> a) technology
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> b) science and technology
kielmann> > > mark.linesch>
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> In fact I prefer b) even though it is 2.5 words.
kielmann> > > mark.linesch>
kielmann> > > mark.linesch>
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> Thilo
kielmann> > > mark.linesch>
kielmann> > > mark.linesch>
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> >
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > Alan
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> >
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > -----Original Message-----
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > From: owner-cads at ggf.org [mailto:owner-cads at ggf.org] On Behalf Of
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > Geoffrey Fox
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 8:47 AM
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > To: Catlett Charlie
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > Cc: cads at ggf.org; 'Gwen Nichols-White'
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > Subject: Re: Action Item on [cads] Community Council Meeting Minutes
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> >
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > Lets add Infrastructure to list of candidates
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> >
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > Catlett Charlie wrote:
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> e-Science
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > > name of a UK program, so too narrow
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> e-Research
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > > best not to define yet another new term which does not help
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > > communication (the point to choosing a word)
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> Cyberinfrastructure
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > > understood broadly in the US, but has a US centrism to it so perhaps
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > > too narrow
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> Science (in spirit of NSF which also does education and
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> engineering)
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > > ok, maybe, if we are going for one word*
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> Research
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > > no*
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>>
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > > * the trouble with one word is that it paints this group into an
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > > academic-only corner. I am tempted to suggest "Infrastructure"
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > > because this group in fact exists within a Grid-oriented
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > > organization and thus there is no need to clarify that we are
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > > talking e- or cyber- or grid.
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > > If we are infrastructure then we are not tied exclusively to science
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > > (most companies, if they do any science, do very little), research
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > > (despite similarities with corporate research, this paints an
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > > academic club picture), or some particular made-up buzzword like
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > > e-Science or cyberinfrastructure.
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > > CeC
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > > On May 23, 2006, at 7:54 PM, Geoffrey Fox wrote:
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >> We are trying to find one word!
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >> The full title can (and at one time did) have Research and
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >> Development in it
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >> Robert Cohen wrote:
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>> I would prefer something that sounds a bit less pure research or
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>> Ivory Tower. Some of what will be covered could also be done in a
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>> development environment or the research side of a corporation.
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>> Also by dropping cyberinfrastructure the link to infrastructure
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>> disappears.
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>> Bob
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>> Perhaps analytic or Alan Blatecky wrote:
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> I vote for Science - exactly for the reason Geoffrey has
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> mentioned.
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>>
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>>
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> Research isn't as broad, and is often set as opposed to education
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> (hence Research and Education networks)
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>>
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>>
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> e-Science and e-Research are trendy, but already have baggage
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> associated.
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>>
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>>
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> I like cyberinfrastructure, but is too broad and covers a huge
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> range of disciplines, tools, and so forth.
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>>
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>>
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> Alan
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>>
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>>
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> -----Original Message-----
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> From: owner-cads at ggf.org [mailto:owner-cads at ggf.org] On Behalf Of
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> Geoffrey Fox
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 4:11 PM
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> To: cads at ggf.org
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> Cc: Gwen Nichols-White
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> Subject: Action Item on [cads] Community Council Meeting Minutes
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>>
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>>
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> . Geoffrey Fox, by next Community call (6/6), to create a
kielmann> > > mark.linesch>
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> shortlist (qty 3) options for single-word name for the
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> "Engineering, Science and Research" function, then socialize
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> amongst the research community to ensure acceptance. Final
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> decision will be made for functions and areas by the end of June.
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>>
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> We need to find some single word names; here is a start Lets add
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> names and then vote. Here is a start
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>>
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> e-Science
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> e-Research
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> Cyberinfrastructure
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> Science (in spirit of NSF which also does education and
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> engineering)
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> Research
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>>
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> Gwen Nichols-White wrote:
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>>
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> All,
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>>
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> Attached are the minutes and action items from today's meeting.
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> Our next meeting is scheduled for 10am CST, on Tuesday 6/6/06.
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> Please call if you have questions.
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>>
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>>
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>>
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> Gwen Nichols-White
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>>
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> Program Manager
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>>
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> Global Grid Forum
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>>
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> Office: 630-252-7163
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>>
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> Mobile: 630-337-3176
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>>
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> Fax: 630-252-4466
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>>
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> email: gnwhite at ggf.org
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>>
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>>
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>>
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>>
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>>
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>>
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> -- :: Geoffrey Fox gcf at indiana.edu FAX 8128567972
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> http://www.infomall.org: Phones Cell 812-219-4643 Home 8123239196
kielmann> > > mark.linesch>
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> Lab 8128567977: SkypeIn 812-669-0772 with voicemail,
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> International cell 8123910207
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>>
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>>
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>>
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> -- :: Geoffrey Fox gcf at indiana.edu FAX 8128567972
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> http://www.infomall.org: Phones Cell 812-219-4643 Home 8123239196
kielmann> > > mark.linesch>
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> Lab 8128567977: SkypeIn 812-669-0772 with voicemail,
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>> International cell 8123910207
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>>
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >>
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >> -- : : Geoffrey Fox gcf at indiana.edu FAX 8128567972
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >> http://www.infomall.org : Phones Cell 812-219-4643 Home 8123239196
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >> Lab 8128567977 : SkypeIn 812-669-0772 with voicemail, International
kielmann> > > mark.linesch>
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >> cell 8123910207
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > >
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> >
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > --
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > :
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > : Geoffrey Fox gcf at indiana.edu FAX 8128567972 http://www.infomall.org
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > : Phones Cell 812-219-4643 Home 8123239196 Lab 8128567977
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> > : SkypeIn 812-669-0772 with voicemail, International cell 8123910207
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> >
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> >
kielmann> > > mark.linesch>
kielmann> > > mark.linesch>
kielmann> > > mark.linesch>
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> --
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> Thilo Kielmann
kielmann> > > mark.linesch> http://www.cs.vu.nl/~kielmann/
kielmann> > > mark.linesch>
kielmann> > >
kielmann> > > Satoshi Matsuoka, Professor
kielmann> > > Global Scientific Information and Computing Center
kielmann> > > & Dept. of Mathematical and Computing Sciences
kielmann> > > Tokyo Institute of Technology
kielmann> > > Address: 2-12-1 Oo-okayama, Meguro-ku, Tokyo 152-8552 Japan
kielmann> > > Tel&fax: +81-3-5734-3876 E-mail: matsu at acm.org, matsu at is.titech.ac.jp
kielmann> > >
kielmann> > >
kielmann>
kielmann>
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kielmann> --
kielmann> Thilo Kielmann http://www.cs.vu.nl/~kielmann/
kielmann>
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Global Scientific Information and Computing Center
& Dept. of Mathematical and Computing Sciences
Tokyo Institute of Technology
Address: 2-12-1 Oo-okayama, Meguro-ku, Tokyo 152-8552 Japan
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