Action Item on [cads] Community Council Meeting Minutes

Thilo Kielmann kielmann at cs.vu.nl
Thu May 25 02:36:02 CDT 2006 

On Wed, May 24, 2006 at 08:15:37PM -0400, Dennis Gannon wrote:
>
> i am also happy to go with the eScience/eBusiness pairing.

Indeed, this looks like the best proposal, a pairing of two expressive
words, indicating exactly (more or less) what we are aiming at.


Thilo

> dennis
> 
> On Thu, 25 May 2006, Satoshi Matsuoka wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> > I agree with Mark's assemsment that the naming should be considered as a
> > pairing.
> >
> > And I believe eScienece and eBusiness does connotate some generality as
> > a keyword rather than being somewhat solely priprietary to a particular
> > project or business.
> >
> > As such I am somewhat leaning towards eScinece/eBusiness as well,
> > although we could invent new words to express the "g word" by saying
> > gScience and gBusiness :-)
> >
> > 						Satoshi at CERN
> >
> > mark.linesch>
> > mark.linesch> So far, I think the contenders seem to be:
> > mark.linesch>
> > mark.linesch> eBusiness, eScience
> > mark.linesch> Industry, Research
> > mark.linesch> Enterprise, Research
> > mark.linesch> Business, Science
> > mark.linesch> ???????, Infrastructure
> > mark.linesch>
> > mark.linesch> I have to confess that I am leaning toward "eBusiness, eScience". I
> > mark.linesch> realize that some do not like the "buzz word" nature of "e", however
> > mark.linesch> this seems to be the closest thing to describe our two "communities" in
> > mark.linesch> a somewhat clear and complementary manner using 1 word. I think these
> > mark.linesch> terms may be better than "Business and Science" in that they are
> > mark.linesch> commonly used to describe the "automation of business and scientific
> > mark.linesch> tasks and processes" and are thus more narrowly defined than the general
> > mark.linesch> terms of "Business, Science".  I also believe they are more
> > mark.linesch> complementary and descriptive than "Industry Research" or "Enterprise
> > mark.linesch> Research".
> > mark.linesch>
> > mark.linesch> Anyway, thought I would share my thoughts and happy to change my mind at
> > mark.linesch> least two or three more times :-) Mark
> > mark.linesch>
> > mark.linesch>
> > mark.linesch> -----Original Message-----
> > mark.linesch> From: owner-cads at ggf.org [mailto:owner-cads at ggf.org] On Behalf Of Thilo
> > mark.linesch> Kielmann
> > mark.linesch> Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 8:08 AM
> > mark.linesch> To: Alan Blatecky
> > mark.linesch> Cc: gcf at indiana.edu; 'Catlett Charlie'; cads at ggf.org; 'Gwen
> > mark.linesch> Nichols-White'
> > mark.linesch> Subject: Re: Action Item on [cads] Community Council Meeting Minutes
> > mark.linesch>
> > mark.linesch>
> > mark.linesch> On Wed, May 24, 2006 at 08:58:04AM -0400, Alan Blatecky wrote:
> > mark.linesch> > I don't think we should add infrastructure to the list....I think it
> > mark.linesch> > is too broad; moreover, it would even supersede and significantly
> > mark.linesch> > overlap with "Enterprise"  and the business communities.
> > mark.linesch>
> > mark.linesch> I agree. Furthermore, "infrastructure" sounds too much like "Teragrid"
> > mark.linesch> or "EGEE" which would be about building infrastructure. This would be
> > mark.linesch> the wrong name for what we are looking for.
> > mark.linesch>
> > mark.linesch> In fact, we are looking for a nice name that says "research". This is
> > mark.linesch> what we intend, to get a forum for academic grid folks in GGF. (After we
> > mark.linesch> have scared away most of them.)
> > mark.linesch>
> > mark.linesch> "research" itself might not be sufficciently sexy to use.
> > mark.linesch>
> > mark.linesch> What about "technology"? (as in 'technology innovators' -- the term used
> > mark.linesch> GGF internally for researchers?)
> > mark.linesch>
> > mark.linesch> I suggest to use either
> > mark.linesch>
> > mark.linesch> a) technology
> > mark.linesch> b) science and technology
> > mark.linesch>
> > mark.linesch> In fact I prefer b) even though it is 2.5 words.
> > mark.linesch>
> > mark.linesch>
> > mark.linesch> Thilo
> > mark.linesch>
> > mark.linesch>
> > mark.linesch> >
> > mark.linesch> > Alan
> > mark.linesch> >
> > mark.linesch> > -----Original Message-----
> > mark.linesch> > From: owner-cads at ggf.org [mailto:owner-cads at ggf.org] On Behalf Of
> > mark.linesch> > Geoffrey Fox
> > mark.linesch> > Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 8:47 AM
> > mark.linesch> > To: Catlett Charlie
> > mark.linesch> > Cc: cads at ggf.org; 'Gwen Nichols-White'
> > mark.linesch> > Subject: Re: Action Item on [cads] Community Council Meeting Minutes
> > mark.linesch> >
> > mark.linesch> > Lets add Infrastructure to list of candidates
> > mark.linesch> >
> > mark.linesch> > Catlett Charlie wrote:
> > mark.linesch> > >>>> e-Science
> > mark.linesch> > > name of a UK program, so too narrow
> > mark.linesch> > >
> > mark.linesch> > >>>> e-Research
> > mark.linesch> > > best not to define yet another new term which does not help
> > mark.linesch> > > communication (the point to choosing a word)
> > mark.linesch> > >
> > mark.linesch> > >>>> Cyberinfrastructure
> > mark.linesch> > > understood broadly in the US, but has a US centrism to it so perhaps
> > mark.linesch> > > too narrow
> > mark.linesch> > >
> > mark.linesch> > >>>> Science         (in spirit of NSF which also does education and
> > mark.linesch> > >>>> engineering)
> > mark.linesch> > > ok, maybe, if we are going for one word*
> > mark.linesch> > >
> > mark.linesch> > >>>> Research
> > mark.linesch> > > no*
> > mark.linesch> > >
> > mark.linesch> > >>>>
> > mark.linesch> > >
> > mark.linesch> > > * the trouble with one word is that it paints this group into an
> > mark.linesch> > > academic-only corner.  I am tempted to suggest "Infrastructure"
> > mark.linesch> > > because this group in fact exists within a Grid-oriented
> > mark.linesch> > > organization and thus there is no need to clarify that we are
> > mark.linesch> > > talking e- or cyber- or grid.
> > mark.linesch> > >
> > mark.linesch> > > If we are infrastructure then we are not tied exclusively to science
> > mark.linesch> > > (most companies, if they do any science, do very little), research
> > mark.linesch> > > (despite similarities with corporate research, this paints an
> > mark.linesch> > > academic club picture), or some particular made-up buzzword like
> > mark.linesch> > > e-Science or cyberinfrastructure.
> > mark.linesch> > >
> > mark.linesch> > > CeC
> > mark.linesch> > >
> > mark.linesch> > > On May 23, 2006, at 7:54 PM, Geoffrey Fox wrote:
> > mark.linesch> > >
> > mark.linesch> > >> We are trying to find one word!
> > mark.linesch> > >> The full title can (and at one time did) have Research and
> > mark.linesch> > >> Development in it
> > mark.linesch> > >>
> > mark.linesch> > >> Robert Cohen wrote:
> > mark.linesch> > >>> I would prefer something that sounds a bit less pure research or
> > mark.linesch> > >>> Ivory Tower. Some of what will be covered could also be done in a
> > mark.linesch> > >>> development environment or the research side of a corporation.
> > mark.linesch> > >>> Also by dropping cyberinfrastructure the link to infrastructure
> > mark.linesch> > >>> disappears.
> > mark.linesch> > >>>
> > mark.linesch> > >>> Bob
> > mark.linesch> > >>>
> > mark.linesch> > >>> Perhaps analytic or Alan Blatecky wrote:
> > mark.linesch> > >>>> I vote for Science  - exactly for the reason Geoffrey has
> > mark.linesch> > >>>> mentioned.
> > mark.linesch> > >>>>
> > mark.linesch> > >>>>
> > mark.linesch> > >>>> Research isn't as broad, and is often set as opposed to education
> > mark.linesch> > >>>> (hence Research and Education networks)
> > mark.linesch> > >>>>
> > mark.linesch> > >>>>
> > mark.linesch> > >>>> e-Science and e-Research are trendy, but already have baggage
> > mark.linesch> > >>>> associated.
> > mark.linesch> > >>>>
> > mark.linesch> > >>>>
> > mark.linesch> > >>>> I like cyberinfrastructure, but is too broad and covers a huge
> > mark.linesch> > >>>> range of disciplines, tools, and so forth.
> > mark.linesch> > >>>>
> > mark.linesch> > >>>>
> > mark.linesch> > >>>> Alan
> > mark.linesch> > >>>>
> > mark.linesch> > >>>>
> > mark.linesch> > >>>> -----Original Message-----
> > mark.linesch> > >>>> From: owner-cads at ggf.org [mailto:owner-cads at ggf.org] On Behalf Of
> > mark.linesch> > >>>> Geoffrey Fox
> > mark.linesch> > >>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 4:11 PM
> > mark.linesch> > >>>> To: cads at ggf.org
> > mark.linesch> > >>>> Cc: Gwen Nichols-White
> > mark.linesch> > >>>> Subject: Action Item on [cads] Community Council Meeting Minutes
> > mark.linesch> > >>>>
> > mark.linesch> > >>>>
> > mark.linesch> > >>>> .         Geoffrey Fox, by next Community call (6/6), to create a
> > mark.linesch>
> > mark.linesch> > >>>> shortlist (qty 3) options for single-word name for the
> > mark.linesch> > >>>> "Engineering, Science and Research" function, then socialize
> > mark.linesch> > >>>> amongst the research community to ensure acceptance.  Final
> > mark.linesch> > >>>> decision will be made for functions and areas by the end of June.
> > mark.linesch> > >>>>
> > mark.linesch> > >>>> We need to find some single word names; here is a start Lets add
> > mark.linesch> > >>>> names and then vote. Here is a start
> > mark.linesch> > >>>>
> > mark.linesch> > >>>> e-Science
> > mark.linesch> > >>>> e-Research
> > mark.linesch> > >>>> Cyberinfrastructure
> > mark.linesch> > >>>> Science         (in spirit of NSF which also does education and
> > mark.linesch> > >>>> engineering)
> > mark.linesch> > >>>> Research
> > mark.linesch> > >>>>
> > mark.linesch> > >>>> Gwen Nichols-White wrote:
> > mark.linesch> > >>>>
> > mark.linesch> > >>>> All,
> > mark.linesch> > >>>>
> > mark.linesch> > >>>> Attached are the minutes and action items from today's meeting.
> > mark.linesch> > >>>> Our next meeting is scheduled for 10am CST, on Tuesday 6/6/06.
> > mark.linesch> > >>>> Please call if you have questions.
> > mark.linesch> > >>>>
> > mark.linesch> > >>>>
> > mark.linesch> > >>>>
> > mark.linesch> > >>>> Gwen Nichols-White
> > mark.linesch> > >>>>
> > mark.linesch> > >>>> Program Manager
> > mark.linesch> > >>>>
> > mark.linesch> > >>>> Global Grid Forum
> > mark.linesch> > >>>>
> > mark.linesch> > >>>> Office:  630-252-7163
> > mark.linesch> > >>>>
> > mark.linesch> > >>>> Mobile:  630-337-3176
> > mark.linesch> > >>>>
> > mark.linesch> > >>>> Fax:  630-252-4466
> > mark.linesch> > >>>>
> > mark.linesch> > >>>> email:  gnwhite at ggf.org
> > mark.linesch> > >>>>
> > mark.linesch> > >>>>
> > mark.linesch> > >>>>
> > mark.linesch> > >>>>
> > mark.linesch> > >>>>
> > mark.linesch> > >>>>
> > mark.linesch> > >>>> -- :: Geoffrey Fox  gcf at indiana.edu FAX 8128567972
> > mark.linesch> > >>>> http://www.infomall.org: Phones Cell 812-219-4643 Home 8123239196
> > mark.linesch>
> > mark.linesch> > >>>> Lab 8128567977: SkypeIn 812-669-0772 with voicemail,
> > mark.linesch> > >>>> International cell 8123910207
> > mark.linesch> > >>>>
> > mark.linesch> > >>>>
> > mark.linesch> > >>>>
> > mark.linesch> > >>>> -- :: Geoffrey Fox  gcf at indiana.edu FAX 8128567972
> > mark.linesch> > >>>> http://www.infomall.org: Phones Cell 812-219-4643 Home 8123239196
> > mark.linesch>
> > mark.linesch> > >>>> Lab 8128567977: SkypeIn 812-669-0772 with voicemail,
> > mark.linesch> > >>>> International cell 8123910207
> > mark.linesch> > >>>
> > mark.linesch> > >>
> > mark.linesch> > >> -- : : Geoffrey Fox gcf at indiana.edu FAX 8128567972
> > mark.linesch> > >> http://www.infomall.org : Phones Cell 812-219-4643 Home 8123239196
> > mark.linesch> > >> Lab 8128567977 : SkypeIn 812-669-0772 with voicemail, International
> > mark.linesch>
> > mark.linesch> > >> cell 8123910207
> > mark.linesch> > >
> > mark.linesch> > >
> > mark.linesch> > >
> > mark.linesch> >
> > mark.linesch> > --
> > mark.linesch> > :
> > mark.linesch> > : Geoffrey Fox  gcf at indiana.edu FAX 8128567972 http://www.infomall.org
> > mark.linesch> > : Phones Cell 812-219-4643 Home 8123239196 Lab 8128567977
> > mark.linesch> > : SkypeIn 812-669-0772 with voicemail, International cell 8123910207
> > mark.linesch> >
> > mark.linesch> >
> > mark.linesch>
> > mark.linesch>
> > mark.linesch>
> > mark.linesch> --
> > mark.linesch> Thilo Kielmann
> > mark.linesch> http://www.cs.vu.nl/~kielmann/
> > mark.linesch>
> >
> > Satoshi Matsuoka,  Professor
> > Global Scientific Information and Computing Center
> >  & Dept. of Mathematical and Computing Sciences
> > Tokyo Institute of Technology
> > Address: 2-12-1 Oo-okayama, Meguro-ku, Tokyo 152-8552 Japan
> > Tel&fax: +81-3-5734-3876   E-mail: matsu at acm.org, matsu at is.titech.ac.jp
> >
> >



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Thilo Kielmann                                 http://www.cs.vu.nl/~kielmann/

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