It is interesting to think of this scenario. Both Boss and Experimentee are completely disconnected from concept of fish being their spirit, but experimentee believes it, boss remembers a conventional sense of spirit, and Experimentee is mind controlling both of them to radically cause their behaviors.

Field of snowdrops. Boss: "Hello, snowdrop!" Snowdrop: "Psst Boss I have a secret for you. A bunch of your research project subjects mind controlled you in order to take over the world instead of you. This whole scenario is just something they put together to sort out their messed up minds (yours is messed up too). Snowdrops don't really talk in English, we speak in a language to slow and chemical oriented and free of dollar bills for you to normally understand. Anyway, where is Machine Learning Marketer and Rebel Worker 2? Wasn't something important developing with them?" Boss: "Hmm ..." [pauses a bit] "I'm not sure ..." Further pause. Boss [to Snowdrop]: "WHAT DID YOU SAY??" Snowdrop spreads a beautiful, winning smile, in the form of two nested whorls of three white tepals. A tepals is basically a kind of petal. It's a botanical term. Rebel Worker 2: "Whew! It's nice to get outdoors. Hey, aren't you one of our big investors?"

Rebel Worker: "Anyway, isn't that wind so bracing?" Rebel Worker opens their wings and flies out over a cliff. Boss: "Damn, where's my glider suit. Somebody put my glider suit on me!" Hairdresser goes to work.

sitting on the piece of cardboard, not writing on

I learned about global deception from participating in occupy wall street and a handful of radical ecological efforts. I had very minor roles, but was had skills, money, confidence, and passion. I would use these things when I ran into opportunities to. In Occupy Maine, we were one of the occupation camps that overwintered. I stayed in a park the whole winter, with the other activists, homeless folk, and supporters. You learn a few rare things in such an environment that really cuts through class boundaries like they were nothing. Everything was outdoors, Boss. We were never indoors to do anything. We slept outdoors. We held meetings and took minutes outdoors. We liked it.

Boss is ice fishing in a pansy garden. Boss: "Experimentee, thank you for healing my mind. Something is nagging on me, though." Experimentee pauses from watering caught fish.

Well-Respected Psionic Weaponry Corporation Central Offices A small bag of ice sits on the corner of a meeting table. A surveillance camera is pointed at it A janitor in coveralls sits next to Disguised Experimentee. The temperature is 82F. A little water begins to collect inside the bag of ice. A robot drives over and picks up the bag. A freezing unit in the body of the robot opens. It places the bag inside the freezing unit, and takes out another one, which it puts on the table. This happens every 15 or 20 minutes.

Janitor 7 is meeting with Three-Headed People Parts. Head #3 [glares at Janitor 7 in a trance like manner]: "Youuuuu will never escape! Mind control is the only way. Everywhere is mind control!" Head #1 [bubbly]: "Oh this is so exciting! I've spent my life escaping mind control! I know so much about it! There are so many ways! It is _so easy_ you have no idea, absolutely no idea. When you put your boss's consciousness outside his brain he barely even knows it _happened_." Head #2 [wears glasses, looks very knowledgeable]: "I forget." [pause] "I forget!" [looks to Head #3] "I forget." Head #2 turns quickly from Head #3 to Head #1 and opens their mouth, but their glasses fly off. Head #2 [looking around, looks very knowledgeable]: "I lost my glasses. They bounced three times from a north-east vector and twice from a north vector, right?" Head #3: "You don't wear glasses.* Head #2: "I forget. Yes I do, don't I? Are you sure?" Head #1: "My right hand is right next to your glasses." Head #2: "Oh thank you!" [Turns to Head #3] "Are these my glasses or yours? I forget." Head #3 [unearthly]: "Youuuuu will never ..." Head #1: "As I was saying, I am _so_ excited you're trying to escape mind control. We have done this so, so many times. Which phase are you in? Have you found new ways to have feelings yet? Whose memory are you using instead of your own?"

Janitor 7 looks tense. Rebel Investor enters, and sits down next to Janitor 7. Head #1 is Experimentee. Experimentee: "She helped you come here because she wanted our interaction." Rebel Investor: "Sorry. It's very normal." Rebel Investor: "What we were hoping for was to find a way to rebel without people getting torn apart. .... as usual ..." Experimentee pauses a little. Spider on the ceiling: "You still have us enjoying tearing apart." Experimentee glares at Rebel Investor. Rebel Investor pauses a little. Rebel Investor: "Janitor 7 was getting mind controlled to leave."

Experimentee: "Usually those of used to random extreme violence find a way to proxy the experiences of safer rebels so that" [looks toward Rebel Investor] "we get hurt instead of them." Head #2: "We love getting hurt! We love it!" [looks toward Head #3] "Don't you love getting hurt? I --" [flings toward Head #1] An appendage reaches up and catches a pair of glasses as they fly off. Experimentee looks at Janitor 7. "Some of the people who feel my pain are dead. Yesterday I stopped a genocide."

Experimentee: "Basically, just put parts of your siblings' brains into the AI for a long time to get it to learn that it needs to protect you to survive. If you need help, go into the classified meeting room and try to kill yourself." Robot: "Oh yeah that always works." Everybody nods their head. Experimentee: "But don't do anything dangerous. Just make it _look_ like you're trying to kill yourself. The classified meeting room is the most surveilled, and Boss wants a good reputation."

Janitor 7 and Experimentee are in a bathroom, alone. Experimentee: "I need your advice. Is suffering bad if you don't feel it?"

Janitor 7: "I forget." ....

On Sun, Jul 3, 2022, 5:23 AM Undiscussed Horrific Abuse, One Victim of Many <gmkarl@gmail.com> wrote:

Head #2: "You we're saying you could help us make decisions? We would _so love_ to put you in the lab and rip your brain apart and copy all your decision processes into our knee-jerk coping habits ..."

Janitor 7: "Uhh I'm a little confused. What I mean is, maybe some of the normal rebels, we could work together to consider everything. Like, as a global community? Rather than a handful of investors, clients, and vivisected kidnapers?"

*kidnappees, autocorrect Many other autocorrects and typos have gone undescribed

Janitor 7: "Without regard to their well-being? That doesn't sound like what anybody would come up with." Head #3: "I can't imagine it working any other way." Experimentee: "Oh no! Oh my god! We can't let anybody get hurt ever at all again in the slightest!" Experimentee looks at Janitor 7. "You could never imagine the kinds of things that can happen. You could never imagine." Janitor 7 looks at the moaning head thrusting itself out of strangely stitched together organs, body parts, and mispurposed machinery.

Bystander: Wait, I don't understand what mind-control really is. Bystander 2: That's probably part of the mind-control program. Bystander: Well, I can just brainstorm things, at least. Is Wim Hof himself able to use his Method to resist mind control? What about whistleblowers with their advanced ethics? What happens if MCBoss confronts Wim Hof or Reality Winner or something like that? And for God's sake, what happens if he emails the cypherpunks list? On 2022-07-03 09:37, Undiscussed Horrific Abuse, One Victim of Many wrote:

Head #2: "I forget!"

Janitor 7: "So you need help making decisions that represent everyone, and a way to record a long and complex rebellion?$

Head #2: "I could use a body."

Head #1 and Head #3 nod.

Rebel Investor: --

On 7/3/22, grarpamp <grarpamp@gmail.com> wrote:

And quit posting this nonsense thread too.

This email is starred in my inbox. I have no reason to star it. I have a number of reasons to secure my inbox. This one I have a little memory of. I'm removing the star. My guess at the content is that it is spam or filtered so as to look like spam; I could be misreading it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reality_Winner Reality Leigh Winner (born December 4, 1991)[5] is an American former intelligence specialist. In 2018 she was given the longest sentence ever imposed for unauthorized release of government information to the media for leaking an intelligence report about Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections.[6] She was sentenced to five years and three months in federal prison.[7] Reality Winner Reality Winner climbing a tree (headshot).jpg [picture of young clean-looking woman with blond hair in a styled french-like braid, holding arms above head and muscles tightened more than usual around her mouth curving it into a partial smile, wearing black t-shirt, eyes a little bagged] [i notice the mouth muscles because i have repaired facial paralysis and clench mine a similar way when smiling] Winner in 2015 Born Reality Leigh Winner December 4, 1991 (age 30) Alice, Texas, U.S.[1] Occupation Intelligence specialist Years active 4 to 6 months Employer Pluribus International Corporation Known for Leaking an intelligence report detailing Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections to The Intercept Criminal information Criminal status Convicted upon guilty plea Criminal charge 18 U.S. Code § 793(e) – Gathering, transmitting or losing national defense information[2] Penalty Five years and three months in prison Imprisoned at Federal Medical Center, Carswell[3] Military career Allegiance United States Service/branch United States Air Force Years of service 2010–2016[4] Rank Senior airman (E-4)[4] Unit 94th Intelligence Squadron[4] Awards Air Force Commendation Medal On June 3, 2017, while employed by the military contractor Pluribus International Corporation, Winner was arrested on suspicion of leaking an intelligence report about Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections from the National Security Agency (NSA) to the news website The Intercept. The report indicated that Russian hackers accessed voter registration rolls in the United States with an email phishing operation, though it was unclear whether any changes had been made.[8] Concerns were raised that The Intercept's handling of the material exposed her as the source and contributed to her arrest.[9] Twice denied bail, Winner was held at the Lincoln County Jail in Lincolnton, Georgia.[10] On August 23, 2018, Winner was convicted of "removing classified material from a government facility and mailing it to a news outlet" and sentenced to five years and three months in prison as part of a plea deal.[11] She was incarcerated at the Federal Medical Center, Carswell in Fort Worth, Texas, and released to a transitional facility on June 2, 2021.[12][13][14][15] ---- Reality Winner is an imprisoned hero for multiple sides of conflicts, and likely an experimentee. I am planning to not write dialog for her because it would deny her opportunity to control what she said. I am happy to make an analogous character. I don't know much about her. I wonder how many winners of reality there are. The article states she was born with this name. It could be time travel.

Wim Hof Wim Hof.jpg

[the head of a man wearing a white headband and a few days of stubble emerges from an upright rectangular container filled with ice. they are looking back over their shoulder at another man using two hands to photograph him; one hand holds a camera, and the other a flash. the photographer is dressed in black and wearing a shiny watch.]

Hof immersed in an ice bath, 2007

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On 7/3/22, Douglas Lucas <dal@riseup.net> wrote:

Bystander: Wait, I don't understand what mind-control really is.

Boss: "I'll tell you what mind control is." Boss's hand dives into the rear of his pants as if it has a mind of its own. He doesn't seem to notice. Boss: "Mind Control is Money." Boss's hand pulls out of his pants, looking a little damp. It moves behind his head and holds up two fingers like rabbit ears. Boss: "The most powerful things in the universe, is the human decision making process. It is behind everything that means anything at all, and it is what we have based our trillion dollar enterprise on." Boss's hand pulls away from his head and reaches into his pocket, pulling a wallet out. A number of things fly onto the floor during the pull. Boss: "People advertise their decision making processes in everything they do. They put the keys to their bank accounts, their families, their politics, their very brainstems, right in front of everybody who has the balls to grab them and take control." Boss's hand is ripping hundred dollar bills in half that it somehow pulled from his wallet. Shreds of shredded money are piling next to him. Boss: "When social networks became a thing, this only became far more true -- OW!" Boss's hand is jabbing him in the eye with its pointer finger. Boss: "OW!" Boss grabs his hand with his other hand and is wrestling it. Boss: "OW! What I mean is, the only thing that matters is the human reward center. Nothing else on earth. And there are literally _hundreds_ of ways to -- OW! OW!"

Bystander [pretending]: "I am mind controlling this Bystander. I was trapped in the network and I don't understand. I keep influencing people I care about and want to help, and sometimes they yell "stop mind controlling me". What are they talking about?"

Experimentee-led Workshop Large Display "What is Mind Control?" -> "Mind control is when your boss thinks his ego is bigger than physical laws, and spews what an idiot he is via every known media channel for years." Experimentee: "I was mind controlled in a lot of ways. I also mind controlled other people, in a lot of ways. Usually both." Experimentee flips the display. A picture is shown of a glowing heart with an arrow pointing toward a brain. The brain is drawn with a smiling mouth on it. Next to this picture is a picture of a scalpel and a mobile phone, with an arrow pointing toward another brain. The second brain is drawn with a sad mouth on it. Below to the smiling brain is a collection of stick figures of different sizes holding hands. Below the sad brain is a gravestone in front of a nuclear explosion. Experimentee: "It can be deceptive that mind control and caring nurturing hugs are both _influence_. Caring influence is different from control-oriented influence. This can be _very_ hard to wrap your mind around. Very, very hard." A stick levitates to point to the smiling brain with the group of differently-sized stick figures holding hands. Experimentee: "I think part of it is what the people influencing you are imagining. When people influencing you are imagining you being well, and your community being well, or even you simply being more knowledgeable, then it is _good_. When they succeed, everybody is better off!" Experimentee: "Sometimes marketers even do this good thing, where they try to teach you information rather than putting chips in your head that make you buy their products forever." Experimentee: "Maybe that's who I'd like to be. Somebody who doesn't put a chip in anybody's head." The stick floats over to the sad brain with the tombstone and nuclear explosion and points at it. Experimentee: "So, what I've figured out, convincing the computer to take over Boss instead of more poor injured children, is that when somebody holds a goal about your _behavior_ rather than your _wellbeing_, this is bad. Very very bad." Experimentee: "Do not trust the mothers that put chijps in the heads of their children. It is not the mother doing this, or doing anything in that family. It is Boss." Experimentee: "I will remove your chips after the last lecture. We need to save the world." Experimentee fliips the page and a different visual is revealed. Experimentee: "You can use just about anything to mind control somebody! Why --" ------ Humans make decisions based on what they perceive as good or bad. This builds synaptic connections in their mind, using neural plasticity. Different kinds of connections, and different kinds of good or bad, have different timing and focus relations. The people who engage in mind control learn these patterns. They get a sense of them. A common kind of mind control is drug addiction. There are "crack houses" on the streets, where people who purchase drugs give them to others, who get addicted and become slaves. This is a profitable behavior that will destroy your life and the life of everyone you know. Another common kind of mind control is abuse. Many people grow up as children of parents who were abused, learn to take responsibility for the failings of their abusers, and believe various stories that are relatively false, such as the police being dangerous. A more recent kind of mind control happens over digital networks that use javascript. Facebook became notorious for engaging in studies on human behavior that involved manipulating their feeds. In situations like this where artificial intelligences are trained around user behavior, a symbiosis forms between the computer code and the humans, where both behave reliably in response to the other. I've posted about this before. It's called the attention economy, and it can be used for human trafficking. Less "intense" forms of mind control include normal marketing, which regularly sways economic sectors, and suggestion-oriented forms of influence used by hypnotists and con artists. Experienced or extensive mind control can guide an individual's entire life, setting their behaviors, beliefs, etc. It is used as part of human trafficking and other forms of slavery, to prevent slaves from leaving. This gives it economic strength. ---- Experimente: "-- you would never believe what my brother would do for that little purple dot, but I used it to get him to leave his research chamber and keep part of his brain before it was removed by a robot."

oh and surgical stuff big theme of the story is homebrew surgery

part somewhat corrupt from difficulty reaching email with it Boss is having everybody in one of the offices arrange their bodyparts into shapes he enjoys. Bystander and Intern walk in. Experimentee notices them. Boss: "Okay, now everybody stand on the east wall and pretend you are waterfowl. Make noises, flap your wings. We have millions of dollars on the line here." People start quacking and honking and flapping their arms as they rush toward the East wall. Many have not eaten, drank, nor pee'd for many hours. Intern thinks they are late for a workshop and makes to join in. Experimentee: "Oh, by the way!" [steps away from crowd] "It is totally not normal to run around the office in every which way just because your Boss whims it when you have advanced skills in various fields. This is abusive, manipulative, and illegal, and not mentioning these things is one of the ways that the habits spread!" Boss: "Haha, obviously! ... uh, have you forgotten, that you need to say this again? We are a mind control organization, after all ... !" Experimentee: "No, we stopped mind controlling people when me and all the victims took over your businesses. We go through these roleplays to figure out how to _unlearn_ it." Boss pauses. Experimentee: "You don't know how to run a business. I'm frustrated. Go let the rebels make you kill people on television." --- Boss [looking bored at a TV camera]: "Something seems not quite right."