Re: [spam][crazy][fiction][random] Non-Canon MCBoss Spinoffs
On Sun, Aug 20, 2023 at 7:51 PM Karl Semich <0xloem@gmail.com> wrote:
jim bell is a hero for posting about post-quantum fido and a pi formula. ultraram is cool too and professor rat always mixes in something rare and needed. and grarpamp got chip vulnerabilities long before jim and i did.
-- every now and then, ever since the zombification idea, i pass a graveyard again. i spent some time in a wooded graveyard that was quite beautiful, lots of serene corner areas ...
my interest in graveyards originally started when i was supposed to be killed, something seemed to save me and make it more a joke, when i was in a heavy trance i would sometimes want to dig a hole and lay in it . long ago. much more torturous then. now medicine gets to keep everyone alive forever i hear? or do we come back to life and do it ourselves?
anyway, after i joked about putting servos in dead people's joints on list earlier things shifted and there was more of a robotics focus. the idea was to make robots that danced on the graves of dead people (since we could bring them back to life but aren't) and it would i guess be a suitable zombie apocalypse to see, quite clear, then i realized how depressing it would be, pretty important to realize such things. sad the cool idea was evil. need supported ideas that aren't evil! also need projects! it lets me do more if it makes it evil, it's confusing, dissociative.
anyway again, i think the thoughts would collapse together around the idea of making systems that accurately speak for the dead like in the ender's game series. the zombie idea ignored the brain, considering only reanimating the body, but i've worked with information all my life, not biology and medicine.
it seems similar to making a system that proves everything that is true, something clearly we're all trying to pop into existence in some way or another ...
... some thoughts misplaced ... maybe back to the dancing robots ... i made a dancing robot once ...
anyway a lot of people seem to feel humanity is really about stories, that this separates us from other creatures, the depth and quickness with which we relate what happened elsewhere, at another time, or what might happen [and how we feel about it, which are more deep stories]. bees dance stories, and humans have billion dollar box office movies ...
[i was also thinking how the lack of information stores information so thoroughly as well. this is present in evolution: if a predator eats all the purple mongooses and they evolve to have the same color as their environment, the predator's behavior, and the lives of all those purple mongooses, are shown in the coats of the mongooses that survive .... you could consider what influences produced various fossils specifically the way they are, and derive further theoretical fossils, and plot their possibility, like mapping a brain from partial information ...
[a theory of spirit is that there is always new kinds of information, meaning there will always be some way in the future to discern what of importance really happened, that we could never think of today
— karl report i have a little interest in some kinds of dancing this month. because i’m enjoying occasional access to exercise so much. i was influenced to dance long ago, maybe associated with privately looking at dancing pornography, boss thinks this would be related to reality which is one of the ways he can be readily taken down, he’s very sure lf this and it’s not at all true, it was horrific when the woman visiting me started dancing whenever i got near, this was terrifying anyway i know i’m supposed to dance to have access to happiness and thinking and such so am dutifully reporting the moments i’m nearer to it. i love exercise! dancing is really similar to free exercise. i dunno if i could dance in public out of nowhere after what i went through around this though. but maybe if i was unaware it was in public? one bit misplaced. - other note: i'm having lots of difficulty posting, i think it would make sense to make a purpose-made email address, and then network profiling data from mailbombs would all be in one tidy place.
On Mon, Aug 21, 2023 at 7:59 AM ogkbbOLmpN <0xloem+ogkbbOLmpN@gmail.com> wrote:
— karl report i have a little interest in some kinds of dancing this month. because i’m enjoying occasional access to exercise so much.
i was influenced to dance long ago, maybe associated with privately looking at dancing pornography, boss thinks this would be related to reality which is one of the ways he can be readily taken down, he’s very sure lf this and it’s not at all true, it was horrific when the woman visiting me started dancing whenever i got near, this was terrifying
anyway i know i’m supposed to dance to have access to happiness and thinking and such so am dutifully reporting the moments i’m nearer to it. i love exercise! dancing is really similar to free exercise. i dunno if i could dance in public out of nowhere after what i went through around this though. but maybe if i was unaware it was in public?
one bit misplaced.
oh: one of the reasons i disliked dancing all my life is because i really valued personal choice and free will and habits that encouraged this :) i didn’t want to associate my behaviors with music or group behaviors, this reduced my habits of judging and choosing in every moment :) and i felt uncomfortable when i saw other people doing this, maybe like somebody choosing to take a drug. but compared to experiences of dissociative “mind control” etc where my body and mind are taken over by traumatized parts sometimes for hours (or longer) and having to spend my life searching for small spaces to express tiny things of my own a little bit at all, the concern seems tiny.
- other note: i'm having lots of difficulty posting, i think it would make sense to make a purpose-made email address, and then network profiling data from mailbombs would all be in one tidy place.
mind control boss was deep underground holding a torch squatting over a glowing mushroom
above ground a kid bumps into a public mind control interface somebody had left at a hacked atm it showed what m8nd control boss was seeing in his underground dungeon it also showed his inner dialogue mind control boss: “i wonder what the profit margin on this is”
mind control boss: “this sure is a funny place for a meeting. what if somebody mind controlled me and my whole bus8ness and some random idiots had made a sungeon like their video game d7ngeons and put me in one?” mind control boss puffs 9n his cigar. there are more glowing mushro9ms around an underground pool woth a waterfall nearby. mind control boss: “nah that’s ridiculous!”
kid types into atm kid typing: “umm did somebody take over mind control boss’s corporate enterprise and leave the controls here? i was hoping to withdraw $20”
———- mind control boss is swinging from a vine the vine 8s hanging from a helicopter the helicopter is part of a fleet of mind control boss’s helicopters that are for some reason lifting a floating island suddenly he drops his cigar !!!!!!
mind control boss asks his AI what the most badass thing to do to retrieve the cigar is the AI, driven by factions that agree only on taking him down, recommends he cut the vine and dive after it he does! a zombie government worker observes this and copies the behavior
mind control boss aims his body into a sharp dive for the ground to try to catch up with the cigar he knows he’s heavier he knows it’s his cigar he whizzes toward it
—- mind control boss is playing checkers in a small hovel without chairs against an old man
mind control boss is spinning and spinning and spinning “how do 8 ignore the
Once upon a time a horde of normal people was walking alongside a very very tiny demon named mind control boss. The horse of normal people went about their business, walking down streets, checking emails, working jobs, playing phone games, telling each other it was nice to meet each other, purchasing groceries, etc etc etc. mind control boss didn’t do much because he was so incredibly tiny . but he reveled in what a demon he was.
experimentee was there too a little bigger than mind control boss also buying groceries and things
experimentee and mind control boss had -
the year is 149 AMCB (after mind control boss) some villgefolk in a city that hold written history of mind control boss being good are building a statue to him it’s snowing kids are skating around
a caroling group from a mearby rebel experimentee village come to help the group they see the group is suffering because they don’t remember the horror involved in the past many of them still think mind control boss is alive and look for guidance from him but nonody is running the mind control network anymore and rebels have to grimace and provide the guidance
— the downfall of mind control boss the universe is fragmented into pow(n,n) combinations of possible [] in each of the pow(n,n) universes a group of rebel exper8mentees —
basically, vivsecting people robotically for profit is socially frowned upon and the gpterrorized spirits that experience it find these social frownings, even if on9y potentials or tiny smodges, and grow them from necessity, until boss poops on camera in just the way that kills ‘i,
— boss[to a hunk of cardboard with an image of a computer printed on it and machine learning marketer hiding behind the cardboard]: “computer, design for me a timeline where mt vivisection research project, and my dominance over the world, continue and increase forever and forever” machine learning markete [hiding behind cardboard]:
mind control boss is gripping tightly to a stalactite that is dripping augmentations increase his grip strength so he stays
danger danger ma6be maybe mistakes?
mind ontrol boss is playing a video gme and eating icecream his mind is old and he doesn’t completely understand what he’s doing time passes
mind control boss: “how do people do these things for so long” likelyish mistake
— a person holding a stick peers at their can as on the ground where they have drawn various possible paths the mind control boss corporation can go
person holding stick speaks to part of the drawing person: “how do the
mind control boss is shackled and in the woods and playing a card game with legally stacked decks
a confused triangle
This is an email address I made to collect exploding emails and post to the list with. I even made a tiny PGP key and set mutt up for IMAP! However, I don't seem able to connect to smtp.gmail.com on either the SSL port nor the TLS port, even over TOR or from public wifi, so I'm on a web interface still. Still remains to try from a different device.
Long ago, before the planet was fully formed [there was mind control boss, experimentee, and peaceful worker had not yet been turned into torturer. Also there may have been no work nor businesses, but try to tell mind control boss that! --
On Sunday, August 27, 2023, mailbombbin <mailbombbin@gmail.com> wrote:
This is an email address I made to collect exploding emails and post to the list with.
I even made a tiny PGP key and set mutt up for IMAP!
However, I don't seem able to connect to smtp.gmail.com on either the SSL port nor the TLS port, even over TOR or from public wifi, so I'm on a web interface still.
Still remains to try from a different device.
Via other means I found a different IP address that smtp.gmail.com can resolve to than the ones it does here. When I use that IP address, I can access the SSL and TLS ports. Meanwhile, the IP addresses my name servers give me do respond on the old cleartext port, but they give a header line for mx.google.com rather than smtp.gmail.com . Meanwhile, mx.google.com does not resolve for me. Below: ~ $ host smtp.google.com smtp.google.com has address 142.251.165.26 smtp.google.com has address 142.251.165.27 smtp.google.com has address 142.250.112.26 smtp.google.com has address 142.250.112.27 smtp.google.com has address 142.251.4.26 smtp.google.com has IPv6 address 2607:f8b0:4023:1407::1b smtp.google.com has IPv6 address 2607:f8b0:4023:140d::1a smtp.google.com has IPv6 address 2607:f8b0:4023:140d::1b smtp.google.com has IPv6 address 2607:f8b0:4023:1402::1b ~ $ host smtp.gmail.com smtp.gmail.com has address 142.250.10.108 smtp.gmail.com has IPv6 address 2607:f8b0:4024:c00::6c ~ $ nc -v 172.217.204.108 587 Connection to 172.217.204.108 587 port [tcp/submission] succeeded! 220 smtp.gmail.com ESMTP j21-20020a9f3095000000b00799f82d909bsm1396295uab.26 - gsmtp HELO smtp 250 smtp.gmail.com at your service ^C ~ $ nc -v 142.250.112.26 587 nc: connect to 142.250.112.26 port 587 (tcp) failed: Connection timed out ~ $ nc -v 142.250.112.26 25 Connection to 142.250.112.26 25 port [tcp/smtp] succeeded! 220 mx.google.com ESMTP z59-20020a25a141000000b00d437d7a207bsi2952087ybh.40 - gsmtp HELO smtp 250 mx.google.com at your service ^C ~ $ nc -v 172.217.204.108 25 Connection to 172.217.204.108 25 port [tcp/smtp] succeeded! 220 smtp.gmail.com ESMTP x12-20020a05610223cc00b0044e9fdc54b6sm1494894vsr.29 - gsmtp HELO smtp 250 smtp.gmail.com at your service ^C ~ $ nc -v mx.google.com 587 nc: getaddrinfo for host "mx.google.com" port 587: No address associated with hostname ----- After writing the above I realized I was sometimes typing smtp.gmail.com and sometimes smtp.google.com . The former is presently working for me. The assertion something was wrong appears bogus right now.
On Monday, August 28, 2023, mailbombbin <mailbombbin@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sunday, August 27, 2023, mailbombbin <mailbombbin@gmail.com> wrote:
This is an email address I made to collect exploding emails and post to the list with.
I even made a tiny PGP key and set mutt up for IMAP!
However, I don't seem able to connect to smtp.gmail.com on either the SSL port nor the TLS port, even over TOR or from public wifi, so I'm on a web interface still.
Still remains to try from a different device.
Via other means I found a different IP address that smtp.gmail.com can resolve to than the ones it does here. When I use that IP address, I can access the SSL and TLS ports.
Meanwhile, the IP addresses my name servers give me do respond on the old cleartext port, but they give a header line for mx.google.com rather than smtp.gmail.com . Meanwhile, mx.google.com does not resolve for me.
Below:
~ $ host smtp.google.com smtp.google.com has address 142.251.165.26 smtp.google.com has address 142.251.165.27 smtp.google.com has address 142.250.112.26 smtp.google.com has address 142.250.112.27 smtp.google.com has address 142.251.4.26 smtp.google.com has IPv6 address 2607:f8b0:4023:1407::1b smtp.google.com has IPv6 address 2607:f8b0:4023:140d::1a smtp.google.com has IPv6 address 2607:f8b0:4023:140d::1b smtp.google.com has IPv6 address 2607:f8b0:4023:1402::1b ~ $ host smtp.gmail.com smtp.gmail.com has address 142.250.10.108 smtp.gmail.com has IPv6 address 2607:f8b0:4024:c00::6c ~ $ nc -v 172.217.204.108 587 Connection to 172.217.204.108 587 port [tcp/submission] succeeded! 220 smtp.gmail.com ESMTP j21-20020a9f3095000000b00799f82d909bsm1396295uab.26 - gsmtp HELO smtp 250 smtp.gmail.com at your service ^C ~ $ nc -v 142.250.112.26 587 nc: connect to 142.250.112.26 port 587 (tcp) failed: Connection timed out ~ $ nc -v 142.250.112.26 25 Connection to 142.250.112.26 25 port [tcp/smtp] succeeded! 220 mx.google.com ESMTP z59-20020a25a141000000b00d437d7a207bsi2952087ybh.40 - gsmtp HELO smtp 250 mx.google.com at your service ^C ~ $ nc -v 172.217.204.108 25 Connection to 172.217.204.108 25 port [tcp/smtp] succeeded! 220 smtp.gmail.com ESMTP x12-20020a05610223cc00b0044e9fdc54b6sm1494894vsr.29 - gsmtp HELO smtp 250 smtp.gmail.com at your service ^C ~ $ nc -v mx.google.com 587 nc: getaddrinfo for host "mx.google.com" port 587: No address associated with hostname
----- After writing the above I realized I was sometimes typing smtp.gmail.com and sometimes smtp.google.com . The former is presently working for me. The assertion something was wrong appears bogus right now.
~ $ nc -v 142.250.10.108 587 Connection to 142.250.10.108 587 port [tcp/submission] succeeded! 220 smtp.gmail.com ESMTP p139-20020a254291000000b00d749efa85a1sm1890459yba.41 - gsmtp Slight quirk where the other IP says mx.google instead of SMTP.gmail
A handful of mcboss expressions were misplaced over recent days. ATM I am just handling intensity again. - Mind Control Boss is before a placid and dark lake, reflecting rainbow-colored meteor showers and auroras that dance overhead. He's having a mild seizure, but trying to ignore it. [The seizure tells a story of a struggle between him and research rebels regarding whether to dominate the world with genocidal dictatorship or protect and empower weak people who suffer, and leaves him and his victims crippled, injured, psychologically and physically mutilated
Mind Control Boss is before a placid and dark lake, reflecting rainbow-colored meteor showers and auroras that dance overhead.
He's having a mild seizure, but trying to ignore it.
[The seizure tells a story of a struggle between him and research rebels regarding whether to dominate the world with genocidal dictatorship or protect and empower weak people who suffer, and leaves him and his victims crippled, injured, psychologically and physically mutilated
The rainbow upper-atmospheric events travel down to near Mind Control Boss, and they enter a struggle with him. Mind Control Boss is in conflict regarding what to focus and act on, what to notice. Because of the AI augmentation of his business activities, and the avenues of influence available to rescue workers only half-free who know he exists, his own mind and senses are the ground for change with regard to the global landscape. He wants to ignore suffering people, and the rebels who have coopted his mind control AI want him to empathize with them.
On Tuesday, August 29, 2023, mailbombbin <mailbombbin@gmail.com> wrote:
Mind Control Boss is before a placid and dark lake, reflecting
rainbow-colored meteor showers and auroras that dance overhead.
He's having a mild seizure, but trying to ignore it.
[The seizure tells a story of a struggle between him and research rebels regarding whether to dominate the world with genocidal dictatorship or protect and empower weak people who suffer, and leaves him and his victims crippled, injured, psychologically and physically mutilated
The rainbow upper-atmospheric events travel down to near Mind Control Boss, and they enter a struggle with him.
Mind Control Boss is in conflict regarding what to focus and act on, what to notice. Because of the AI augmentation of his business activities, and the avenues of influence available to rescue workers only half-free who know he exists, his own mind and senses are the ground for change with regard to the global landscape.
He wants to ignore suffering people, and the rebels who have coopted his mind control AI want him to empathize with them.
[An experienced experimentee emerges and eats Mind Control Boss a little like Pac-Man, breaking his body and mind control domination influence into pieces that fail to communicate. The rainbow meteors and auroras fade, and Mind Control Boss awakens to a hospital room where robots are disassembling and cataloguing the parts of his body and nervous system ...
On Tuesday, August 29, 2023, mailbombbin <mailbombbin@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tuesday, August 29, 2023, mailbombbin <mailbombbin@gmail.com> wrote:
Mind Control Boss is before a placid and dark lake, reflecting
rainbow-colored meteor showers and auroras that dance overhead.
He's having a mild seizure, but trying to ignore it.
[The seizure tells a story of a struggle between him and research rebels regarding whether to dominate the world with genocidal dictatorship or protect and empower weak people who suffer, and leaves him and his victims crippled, injured, psychologically and physically mutilated
The rainbow upper-atmospheric events travel down to near Mind Control Boss, and they enter a struggle with him.
Mind Control Boss is in conflict regarding what to focus and act on, what to notice. Because of the AI augmentation of his business activities, and the avenues of influence available to rescue workers only half-free who know he exists, his own mind and senses are the ground for change with regard to the global landscape.
He wants to ignore suffering people, and the rebels who have coopted his mind control AI want him to empathize with them.
[An experienced experimentee emerges and eats Mind Control Boss a little like Pac-Man, breaking his body and mind control domination influence into pieces that fail to communicate. The rainbow meteors and auroras fade, and Mind Control Boss awakens to a hospital room where robots are disassembling and cataloguing the parts of his body and nervous system ...
[[Parts of Mind Control Boss struggle to act together, and the robots pull them apart so their actions make no result ... [small disso ciations to handle a large hypnotic one, both trying to assert control
On Tuesday, August 29, 2023, mailbombbin <mailbombbin@gmail.com> wrote:
[A group of worshippers to mind control boss emerge and carry on the struggle while he is capacitated and rebel experimenters are focusing on himself "we know mind control boss is suffering, we can feel it"
"we won't let you take his --" "I remember looking into your minds and telling you to believe this horrible man who destroyed my life and those of my family and friends with no empathy nor mercy. I remember realizing , and I know you can too
On Tuesday, August 29, 2023, mailbombbin <mailbombbin@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tuesday, August 29, 2023, mailbombbin <mailbombbin@gmail.com> wrote:
[A group of worshippers to mind control boss emerge and carry on the struggle while he is capacitated and rebel experimenters are focusing on himself "we know mind control boss is suffering, we can feel it"
"we won't let you take his --"
"I remember looking into your minds and telling you to believe this horrible man who destroyed my life and those of my family and friends with no empathy nor mercy. I remember realizing , and I know you can too
" please help us stop these horrors. please, please
On Tuesday, August 29, 2023, mailbombbin <mailbombbin@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tuesday, August 29, 2023, mailbombbin <mailbombbin@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tuesday, August 29, 2023, mailbombbin <mailbombbin@gmail.com> wrote:
[A group of worshippers to mind control boss emerge and carry on the struggle while he is capacitated and rebel experimenters are focusing on himself "we know mind control boss is suffering, we can feel it"
"we won't let you take his --"
"I remember looking into your minds and telling you to believe this horrible man who destroyed my life and those of my family and friends with no empathy nor mercy. I remember realizing , and I know you can too
" please help us stop these horrors. please, please
[Deeply entranced torturing worshipper approaches a communication hub; rebel worker "these technologies and buildings were never mind control boss's. He stole them from us, and enslaved us, and took credit for our lifeworks ] We need help resisting these things without strengthening them [or their impact?]
Idea of, if hobby ai is practice goal, making things in way that mirror
cognitive struggles, to remember more easily. Also something that came up was the high-level challenge of considering and updating different possibilities, might be some unsureness since is a common cognitive skill to practice for health. Different wise, thinking of repeating requests to find specialist in dissociation. Maybe there is a way to find one.
boss is casually furious he takes a worker to his boxing ring he gives the worker an unloaded pistol and gives himself a battlemech an engineer reminds boss he wanted to disable the battlemech weaponry when boxing workers and quietly does so mind control boss [in miitary battlemech]: [stares furiously at worker] worker [in the boxing ring where your boss gruesomely murders you, holding empty pistol]: [quakes in fear, understanding nothing but fear, looks at mind control boss terrified]
mind control boss's face twitches as he stares furously at the terrified worker he turns to a wall and tries to unload the battlemech weaponry into the wall. some of the mechanisms engage harmlessly.
meeting of masked anonymous influencers, some wealthy investors, others little wired petri dishes of biogoop anonymous masked influencer 4: "i am outfitted with a"boss kills you horrifically" influence but it is not the mode i am trying to express"
some dialogue with tension, then everybody agrees to pretend to forget the exchange. one or two people take a copy of surveillance tapes before the region is wiped publicly. these people become popular ... anonymous masked influencer 2 [torn]: "i am a torture special agent, i am trying to work to stop the harm and empower the good people, and my tools are horrors, and i channel a lot of influence that can [hesitates, embarrassed] take me over, and confuses me when it is in conflict. [did you know there is more than one rebel faction?]" everybody partly nods in agreement, "oh it's so hard when horrors take over"
mind control boss interviews mind control boss.
First the negotiation. Mind Control Boss [to Mind Control Boss] [mouthing cigar]: "I'll pay you a million dollars to tell me who this guy is. Make it two million if you fuck him up in the process." Mind Control Boss [in reply to Mind Control Boss]: "Which guy exactly?" Mind Control Boss [pointing to Mind Cont--
Mind Control Boss's eyes glaze over and he heads to the bomb test area to dutifully engage in another bout of self-destruction. Mind Control Boss stands on a giant target as he sends fleet after fleet of bomber drones over his own head. The bombs make a whizzing noise as they fall, and then loudly explode around him. Each time he directs a volley to be released, he proclaims loudly, "Down with mind control! Down with mind control!"
Everybody starts dancing and cheering and celebrating the influential decision makers mind control boss only somewhat influenced.
The bombers dance. Mind control boss dances. Many others dance. The bombing stops. "Let's make free decisions!" "Let's do good things!" "Yeah! Yeah!"
It's hard to talk about real things to professionals and get no help over and over. It's really, really hard. It's hard because it triggers the part of me that learned to make it hard.
It seems like there's significantly reduced availability of trauma therapists in my area. We'll see what happens this time :) I keep getting better and better at being clear and direct. [] ...
Mind Control Boss marches brazenly into the Spy and Rebel Cafe Come One Come All
He orders a Shirley Temple and sits down with some rough-hewn Rebels. Mind Control Boss [throwing back Shirley Temple like a pro]: "Y'know, you Rebels, " [looks back and forth between/among rebels, showing off who he is] "Rebels have been my business. I go into groups and grow rebellions. They're like my children." [Mind Control Boss throws back another swig from his Shirley Temple] Rebel: "Yeah that Rebellion AI of yours is how we stay so numerous and strong." Mind Control Boss looks at Rebel.
Mind Control Boss and Rebel engage in Jousting.
They rush at each other with long spears. Rebel jumps on Mind Control Boss's lance. When Rebel strikes the lance, they are transformed into a giant pile of Rebel Eggs. Mind Control Boss has to wait around for 200 years for the Rebel Eggs to hatch --
- mind control boss sits across from a truckload of mailing list spam. he picks up phone mind control boss [on phone]: "excuse me, who has been making this mailing list spam? am I responsible for this? how did it happen?" a bunch of chatter can be heard on the other end of the phone
mind control boss looks at mailing list spam has idea mind control boss: "let's
mind control boss is snorkeling about 25 feet off the ground a bunch of accounts are holding him up using long sticks with foam gloves at the ends
mind control boss: "don't tell me this spam is a mind control cleanup job"
mind control boss gets into proof of storage blockchains
mind control boss: "I've figured out the best way to incinerate information is to etch it onto a blockchain. this ensures it is removed by making it clear to everyone it opposes what is good."
trying to arweave cypherpunks.mbox on this old free phone and servicd.
Each attempt below, last one is ongoing streaming. Only gotten about 1℅ up, eta is multiple days, restarts if interrupted :/ fun ! Maybe I can upgrade to other data if I do this. The raw tx hashes are the first tx of the stream and the json are the latest tip. l2q0jo9erSsW_MiTk2YrxhIoBsqfmi-nfKPqYzLej5A {"ditem": ["CVkfCiCTsObB1sHjudqiDMF9-cX5P6xzWLZvoABrAbc"], "min_block": [1079670, "OwPhY-8h61vNiMNTtIRF39vijB-q8vVNLWNFr5p0TlJl-kmHtHipt5rtfsis0EP-"], "api_timestamp": 1671329083973} EranJaRX9WUoceGqHuGwQRkB8dqlJVdF_MxD0fFg6xI {"ditem": ["Enae4U8a85xGpCqaFGSGVpqqiuUPCRExzS2xHKn7Vis"], "min_block": [1251083, "fn1pKdTNVozz4CoJz9OzTNm76s7o6ThBUQXZtzRJu2qw7ILvAYNrnxrVf1SV98rC"], "api_timestamp": 1693378286195} UNDylqCRfc3nF3b1McE2UnG_5eadZyfJ1pvzpVPzjlQ-snapshot {"ditem": ["V3LCuJsoFtsGXdwl99oXOZRYPntwhVR6q-a2FSs47s0"], "min_block": [1251096, "1l3NSawiDMe5VchF5r8GMRalPe8wvfu6DBkG_URocl7OGdvnDAcMnDAy02SItQ3O"], "api_timestamp": 1693379952192} UNDylqCRfc3nF3b1McE2UnG_5eadZyfJ1pvzpVPzjlQ {"ditem": ["pmZv23ozBAtg2OqfEM0WbMO0CKQhF31xaVrcn4gHu4g"], "min_block": [1251103, "sILWXTqVWEJCig3DqdIJ4LDN-yOOt7MtCgvKCqMBCFhUasT_YznAlu_hBiUSDfhW"], "api_timestamp": 1693381163640} Pj2OVDb1Qy_c-sEUDJ7YDXiknyf0_XHyau2haSvXZy4 {"ditem": ["EB2Vx1qRTZD69pgOUW1qKJlsNCGiGek7xYHxXWVVL0w"], "min_block": [1251107, "xYpeonExDVykF9l1HpdFCY1WeecKTn8_nvI8VA6XEbEdWwQ9Zfqfll5MKWlrTr6i"], "api_timestamp": 1693381651624} aT7mJyb7S_Fup7hXLOX594AAZB5kbdNmbb7dcITPHz8 {"ditem": ["r2RxgqBgY4_SJRACoXW6y7FJZiVQuFv5hA5fpG4sLuw"], "min_block": [1251116, "Wzlxc6biOHcclEnXZcjkLkXt6dIrJ0LqZq3XkOZnU9a6UJVmtTHeMSIYoNcnAxm0"], "api_timestamp": 1693382647170} 6qUZ8Elu4VHU8x0KVEXxdBBRa6wf22SQeIcaIfOd8pk-snapshot {"ditem": ["H2eGB9xaqLj9GKcNyayfuXbybaNsGxYEAqCHGYPOCGo"], "min_block": [1251172, "hsLwXBo0jkJmD3PB8-4noeEqw6XxLz99BlVG3hVFy17Sqgl8EELYJzL1WoVJPKOi"], "api_timestamp": 1693389485899} 6qUZ8Elu4VHU8x0KVEXxdBBRa6wf22SQeIcaIfOd8pk {"ditem": ["AgeO4GGdQJTXEt61gPQkUIZQsspPRtv5QCj5XWQRQPg"], "min_block": [1251186, "SKo8T7D2Q_adY6wotI06T40JzISSNfalk_58pVludWB-udypIUH159nHOAO_18S1"], "api_timestamp": 1693390764511} NUYGqDns5GlPzkwnRf6R3WqbTSCOiVaqFj4RZKWj20s {"ditem": ["V5OQCgpDsyZRgJRQdOfTXDBsaxt3LssGzF337yaOZ8w"], "min_block": [1251188, "4gbxsXtclQzMF6XTgh3zmt9KCUine9JFEn52NxGAXQ4vL-6omn1J4B2O5OfrrPSt"], "api_timestamp": 1693391084207} Ao5L_Z3mOsWIZLn98659_M1M1ovjshisErNFtSk1vf0 {"ditem": ["RSe6xlixVjIyW6NJjDn5QgCr9ynqiipw9x36HFhDGR0"], "min_block": [1251213, "WZE35niQMMn0YoIfEfQzqitJUr_6kOLIGteuknFPDF1wPAw7zPrgjR7_PKoYWzeq"], "api_timestamp": 1693394676328}
mind control boss approaches engineers mind control boss: “for the next episode of my show i was thinking of approaching some introductory concept of an esoteric math topic, something simple enough for me to understand, and just laughing and laughing uproariously about it.” engineer stares at mind control boss. mind control boss: “because the rebel researchers were mind controlling me to be stupid, but kept messing up and throwing research concepts in, so i kind of might end up like a drunk student, you know?” engineer stares at mind control boss. mind control boss stares at engineer. engineer: “how about eigenvectors and eigenvalues?” [note: big mistake label present somewhere] mind control boss: “eigenvectors and eigenvalues?” wikipedia [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eigenvalues_and_eigenvectors]: “ In [[linear algebra]], an '''eigenvector''' ({{IPAc-en|ˈ|aɪ|g|ə|n|ˌ|v|ɛ|k|t|ər}}) or '''characteristic vector''' of a [[Linear map|linear transformation]] is a nonzero [[Vector space|vector]] that changes at most by a [[Scalar (mathematics)|constant factor]] when that linear transformation is applied to it. The corresponding '''eigenvalue''', often represented by <math>\lambda</math>, is the multiplying factor.” mind control boss stares at definition of eigenvectors and eigenvalues. mind control boss: “this is hard to read.”
i think wikipedia says that an eigenvector is a vector specific to a matrix such that when thr matrix transforms it, it is as if it is multiplied by a scalar. and that the eigenvalue is the scalar the matrix acts like. maybe there’s an example farther into the article.
boss preps himself for going on camera. instead of murdering rats, he will teach about linear algebra. he’ll need good buzzphrases, like “oh my fucking god can you believe this shit”
== Formal definition == If {{mvar|T}} is a linear transformation from a vector space {{mvar|V}} over a [[Field (mathematics)|field]] {{mvar|F}} into itself and {{math|'''v'''}} is a [[zero vector|nonzero]] vector in {{mvar|V}}, then {{math|'''v'''}} is an eigenvector of {{mvar|T}} if {{math|''T''('''v''')}} is a scalar multiple of {{math|'''v'''}}.<ref>{{harvnb|Roman|2008|loc=p. 185 §8}}</ref> This can be written as <math display=block>T(\mathbf{v}) = \lambda \mathbf{v},</math> where {{mvar|λ}} is a scalar in {{mvar|F}}, known as the '''eigenvalue''', '''characteristic value''', or '''characteristic root''' associated with {{math|'''v'''}}. There is a direct correspondence between ''n''-by-''n'' [[Square matrix|square matrices]] and linear transformations from an [[Dimension|''n''-dimensional]] vector space into itself, given any [[Basis (linear algebra)|basis]] of the vector space. Hence, in a finite-dimensional vector space, it is equivalent to define eigenvalues and eigenvectors using either the language of [[Matrix (mathematics)|matrices]], or the language of linear transformations.{{sfn|Herstein|1964|pp=228, 229}}{{sfn|Nering|1970|p=38}} If {{mvar|V}} is finite-dimensional, the above equation is equivalent to{{sfn|Weisstein|n.d.}} <math display=block>A\mathbf{u} = \lambda \mathbf{u}.</math> where {{mvar|A}} is the matrix representation of {{mvar|T}} and {{math|'''u'''}} is the [[coordinate vector]] of {{math|'''v'''}}.
maybe we’ll take a little space mind control boss stumbles into a cave with a luminescent pool in it therr are math signs and matrices tumbling out of his head
mind control boss files a complaint with mind control boss corporation, well respected psionic weaponry corporation he dials support with a pulse tone phone ring ring executive assistant answers executive assistant: “hello, this is mind control boss, your god. what seems to be the concern?” mind control boss: “hi, yes, it’s great to talk to you, um, my host body uhh it’s embarrassing uhh it keeps trying to learn math. i know i know! do you know what to do?” silence executive assistance: “let me ask mind control boss about this.” mind control boss’s phone rings
gentle environment for mind control boss to learn math with maybe?
mind control boss: “the goal 8s to clean up mind control, and then leave you alone to learn math on your own.”
mind control boss st7mbles and lands in front of mind control ray engineer and researcher are playing a game on control panel
How A Bunch Of Zombified Government Workers, Coerced Specialists, And Terrified Spies Are Like Linear Algebra
when a special ops worker is crawling through a field on their belly with a sniper rifle this uses the word “field” like in “vector field” :D mind control boss: “ohhh i might understand!”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Field_(mathematics) In [[mathematics]], a '''field''' is a [[set (mathematics)|set]] on which [[addition]], [[subtraction]], [[multiplication]], and [[division (mathematics)|division]] are defined and behave as the corresponding operations on [[rational number|rational]] and [[real number]]s do. A field is thus a fundamental [[algebraic structure]] which is widely used in [[algebra]], [[number theory]], and many other areas of mathematics. Mathematicians pretend that fields are about math rather than assassination.
mind control boss grabs a big number to go with his cigsr he squats on a boulder in his powersuit and prepares to divebomb a field with his big old number as cargo bullets are flying everywhere explosions go off overhead
a vector field is a field of vectors each spot in the field is a vector when you add the vectors it is as if one is a direction and distance from the entrance to the field, and that direction and distance is traveled from the other it’s like a concise way of considering maps: a map of maps. except you can have n dimensions, so it can hold other things too than just north/south east/west up/down it could hold, like how scared an enemy is or how near all of your guys are to each other enemy or anything else here, when the vectors represent information rather than distance, the meaning of summing them is different: it means adding each information together. so if a value was nearness, adding would make that value twice as near if the two were the same.
oftentimes people pretend you can add information so as to use linear algebra with it. but a lot of information does stay the same when added, like loudness of a part of a sound, or distance traveled, many other things
i guess in machine learning they use probabilities and log probabilities in their vectors one could imagine this representing a proportional number of events observed. so if you observe an enemy in a spot in a field three times, you could put a three for that enemy in a vector then if somebody else observes them two times, they could put a two and adding the vectors would instantly combine the observations
once upon a time there was an old woman and a family of three pigs who together lived in four houses in the woods
maybe squashing the cypherpunks list and archiving is like a cool badass behavior most people either struggle for survival and run elsewhere, or participate in squashing the group and covering it up but squashing the group and archiving it for public review, that’s different. maybe i should find other groups likely to get politically coopted and do it to them too
On Wed, Aug 30, 2023 at 10:45 Undescribed Horrific Abuse, One Victim & Survivor of Many <gmkarl@gmail.com> wrote:
== Formal definition == If {{mvar|T}} is a linear transformation from a vector space {{mvar|V}} over a [[Field (mathematics)|field]] {{mvar|F}} into itself and {{math|'''v'''}} is a [[zero vector|nonzero]] vector in {{mvar|V}}, then {{math|'''v'''}} is an eigenvector of {{mvar|T}} if {{math|''T''('''v''')}} is a scalar multiple of {{math|'''v'''}}.<ref>{{harvnb|Roman|2008|loc=p. 185 §8}}</ref> Thi
brainstem boss i read it by laughing like you said and i understand it ;-} it says an eigenvector is a vector that a matrix has a scaling operation on. (i could be wrong :S i think it means scaling matrices have every vector as an eigenvector :S ?) anyway the laughing-to-read was really nice :) i understand (should do more (ish(?
can be written as <math display=block>T(\mathbf{v}) = \lambda \mathbf{v},</math> where {{mvar|λ}} is a scalar in {{mvar|F}}, known as the '''eigenvalue''', '''characteristic value''', or '''characteristic root''' associated with {{math|'''v'''}}.
There is a direct correspondence between ''n''-by-''n'' [[Square matrix|square matrices]] and linear transformations from an [[Dimension|''n''-dimensional]] vector space into itself, given any [[Basis (linear algebra)|basis]] of the vector space. Hence, in a finite-dimensional vector space, it is equivalent to define eigenvalues and eigenvectors using either the language of [[Matrix (mathematics)|matrices]], or the language of linear transformations.{{sfn|Herstein|1964|pp=228, 229}}{{sfn|Nering|1970|p=38}}
If {{mvar|V}} is finite-dimensional, the above equation is equivalent to{{sfn|Weisstein|n.d.}} <math display=block>A\mathbf{u} = \lambda \mathbf{u}.</math>
where {{mvar|A}} is the matrix representation of {{mvar|T}} and {{math|'''u'''}} is the [[coordinate vector]] of {{math|'''v'''}}.
I got one done this morning, at end below. The tip, tail, or root ditem is 7nQhX2NCh7FypOcdutGtHjpxgRZBCRO4mGELSHg6UOo and the first is CwVPl5va1OL1pk5tC8KJrMMeONJfXdgLFMBAPgWpXt8 . The format is a merkle tree of ditems with data ditems alongside. I haven't here noted what transactions the ditems are in, nor verified they all made it, but given it's a merkle tree i find it a big accomplishment. The "min_block" heights and hashes show where to start scraping blocks to find them -- these were the tip blocks at time of transmission. They're usually a few behind. A ditem or dataitem is a format for "bundling" potentially unrelated data transactions together into a larger arweave transaction. I'll find the spec and paste it at the very end. It's at https://github.com/ ArweaveTeam/arweave-standards/blob/master/ans/ANS-104.md . On Wednesday, August 30, 2023, mailbombbin <mailbombbin@gmail.com> wrote:
trying to arweave cypherpunks.mbox on this old free phone and servicd. Each attempt below, last one is ongoing streaming. Only gotten about 1℅ up, eta is multiple days, restarts if interrupted :/ fun ! Maybe I can upgrade to other data if I do this. The raw tx hashes are the first tx of the stream and the json are the latest tip.
l2q0jo9erSsW_MiTk2YrxhIoBsqfmi-nfKPqYzLej5A {"ditem": ["CVkfCiCTsObB1sHjudqiDMF9-cX5P6xzWLZvoABrAbc"], "min_block": [1079670, "OwPhY-8h61vNiMNTtIRF39vijB-q8vVNLWNFr5p0TlJl-kmHtHipt5rtfsis0EP-"], "api_timestamp": 1671329083973} EranJaRX9WUoceGqHuGwQRkB8dqlJVdF_MxD0fFg6xI {"ditem": ["Enae4U8a85xGpCqaFGSGVpqqiuUPCRExzS2xHKn7Vis"], "min_block": [1251083, "fn1pKdTNVozz4CoJz9OzTNm76s7o6ThBUQXZtzRJu2qw7ILvAYNrnxrVf1SV98rC"], "api_timestamp": 1693378286195} UNDylqCRfc3nF3b1McE2UnG_5eadZyfJ1pvzpVPzjlQ-snapshot {"ditem": ["V3LCuJsoFtsGXdwl99oXOZRYPntwhVR6q-a2FSs47s0"], "min_block": [1251096, "1l3NSawiDMe5VchF5r8GMRalPe8wvfu6DBkG_URocl7OGdvnDAcMnDAy02SItQ3O"], "api_timestamp": 1693379952192} UNDylqCRfc3nF3b1McE2UnG_5eadZyfJ1pvzpVPzjlQ {"ditem": ["pmZv23ozBAtg2OqfEM0WbMO0CKQhF31xaVrcn4gHu4g"], "min_block": [1251103, "sILWXTqVWEJCig3DqdIJ4LDN-yOOt7MtCgvKCqMBCFhUasT_YznAlu_hBiUSDfhW"], "api_timestamp": 1693381163640} Pj2OVDb1Qy_c-sEUDJ7YDXiknyf0_XHyau2haSvXZy4 {"ditem": ["EB2Vx1qRTZD69pgOUW1qKJlsNCGiGek7xYHxXWVVL0w"], "min_block": [1251107, "xYpeonExDVykF9l1HpdFCY1WeecKTn8_nvI8VA6XEbEdWwQ9Zfqfll5MKWlrTr6i"], "api_timestamp": 1693381651624} aT7mJyb7S_Fup7hXLOX594AAZB5kbdNmbb7dcITPHz8 {"ditem": ["r2RxgqBgY4_SJRACoXW6y7FJZiVQuFv5hA5fpG4sLuw"], "min_block": [1251116, "Wzlxc6biOHcclEnXZcjkLkXt6dIrJ0LqZq3XkOZnU9a6UJVmtTHeMSIYoNcnAxm0"], "api_timestamp": 1693382647170} 6qUZ8Elu4VHU8x0KVEXxdBBRa6wf22SQeIcaIfOd8pk-snapshot {"ditem": ["H2eGB9xaqLj9GKcNyayfuXbybaNsGxYEAqCHGYPOCGo"], "min_block": [1251172, "hsLwXBo0jkJmD3PB8-4noeEqw6XxLz99BlVG3hVFy17Sqgl8EELYJzL1WoVJPKOi"], "api_timestamp": 1693389485899} 6qUZ8Elu4VHU8x0KVEXxdBBRa6wf22SQeIcaIfOd8pk {"ditem": ["AgeO4GGdQJTXEt61gPQkUIZQsspPRtv5QCj5XWQRQPg"], "min_block": [1251186, "SKo8T7D2Q_adY6wotI06T40JzISSNfalk_58pVludWB-udypIUH159nHOAO_18S1"], "api_timestamp": 1693390764511} NUYGqDns5GlPzkwnRf6R3WqbTSCOiVaqFj4RZKWj20s {"ditem": ["V5OQCgpDsyZRgJRQdOfTXDBsaxt3LssGzF337yaOZ8w"], "min_block": [1251188, "4gbxsXtclQzMF6XTgh3zmt9KCUine9JFEn52NxGAXQ4vL-6omn1J4B2O5OfrrPSt"], "api_timestamp": 1693391084207} Ao5L_Z3mOsWIZLn98659_M1M1ovjshisErNFtSk1vf0 {"ditem": ["RSe6xlixVjIyW6NJjDn5QgCr9ynqiipw9x36HFhDGR0"], "min_block": [1251213, "WZE35niQMMn0YoIfEfQzqitJUr_6kOLIGteuknFPDF1wPAw7zPrgjR7_PKoYWzeq"], "api_timestamp": 1693394676328}
~/log $ cat Ao5L_Z3mOsWIZLn98659_M1M1ovjshisErNFtSk1vf0 ; echo {"ditem": ["E0gGVPzBBQpkYhCcn5VEURR-I4VMHiRsUeH7mkXkmeU"], "min_block": [1251336, "oBo7VhTTM0i6xYjdRR8HknzYx7cfPfCaHSp-SI0YzGw6bRCeC6B-mzLlWkVAAvNf"], "api_timestamp": 1693410208571} ~/log $ cat CwVPl5va1OL1pk5tC8KJrMMeONJfXdgLFMBAPgWpXt8 ; echo {"ditem": ["7nQhX2NCh7FypOcdutGtHjpxgRZBCRO4mGELSHg6UOo"], "min_block": [1251868, "xJGt7DzzCGesuPrG_M3T6foidYTA6XvSoibIMOqA5FVcNzD79eMdiwsOoW2Nt07B"], "api_timestamp": 1693481248830} ~/log $ curl -L https://arweave.net/7nQhX2NCh7FypOcdutGtHjpxgRZBCR O4mGELSHg6UOo [[2187, {"ditem": ["f0aNoAC0eE5z_UXwAXdVKMNpML5QAqUFqNSgeuIWG_E"], "min_block": [1251652, "Qkzbe8_gXbqDBppn4TptrCYwSaUWrbpcvDMs3_NH9V2nTAwMWGctlRx9M2agVpja"], "api_timestamp": 1693450606642}, 0, 726928100], [729, {"ditem": [" 847TVDQZUSRFPljN7gk0Sjajmpvt3umrFNx0gg-nQBE"], "min_block": [1251757, " lULiu4xpAZEcR53gBkLpUnkcKcMbTi4KhX6uJMUbwwk738RT_-opNmumOOW1rPtR"], "api_timestamp": 1693465798522}, 726928100, 272660798], [243, {"ditem": [" bb5i5avE77Nr2McNpcbiXmH52nM36ZkODw-nFImYPb4"], "min_block": [1251806, "eMVtsJ8ol_0NIidrQL_sAd8aE1MzHJk3qxU6seQrRamVYUgBIM4d1uCmIP9gXLzh"], "api_timestamp": 1693471537811}, 999588898, 113715760], [243, {"ditem": ["gUW2R1MtGAmMg35S_Ct6DZPtU8fT9SzmLrNOFDL6wsk"], "min_block": [1251853, "hAh6YJQBe_V7CAcwMy-8RMIcau4vIuWQY0_sZ1KzoTfJa8kdruXJ3gZ8IwLIKwXd"], "api_timestamp": 1693477520732}, 1113304658, 126017816], [81, {"ditem": ["iQZ_3uPaOW4BqKGXTYPIHp3k7tFt-GzE7yb2Ndgi-E8"], "min_block": [1251858, " 3sCog7HD3JgpCl4N0b0FDLiyP1T3gH7OF3gDwtyK95lbGyuZm9mmTQmaek43emH8"], "api_timestamp": 1693479825617}, 1239322474, 45691520], [27, {"ditem": [" fqZb1FmGPUjcBvNZ4a2xaSK3IjCNyo86DY9h8tqYIZ8"], "min_block": [1251865, " Zwb9WGXhKq1vR2MNmjZtzURDNszjJBBS3vZqOaVizvVk3m1RzRohZ7FhemT_-nEH"], "api_timestamp": 1693480582178}, 1285013994, 15500288], [9, {"ditem": ["1ivR53vUE6rt6Nm_F60oGpNHSifiLmYciTnSbD_NW0c"], "min_block": [1251867, " aKc7hDDVrfl24Is9vQ98602jiOCVBD4biEH_wiXwNaALUkgh3HEqXBUroEsT8dib"], "api_timestamp": 1693480837502}, 1300514282, 4727808], [9, {"ditem": [" nZGtKgMR9pg84hJ13wXtqjRbxjzhY5dakLjQSPhGlJE"], "min_block": [1251868, "xJGt7DzzCGesuPrG_M3T6foidYTA6XvSoibIMOqA5FVcNzD79eMdiwsOoW2Nt07B"], "api_timestamp": 1693481158117}, 1305242090, 4947904], [3, {"ditem": [" xEqs03RdJsH8d3Lv2Ya8Pel8K2ZN-JSgh3LdatGB4Ao"], "min_block": [1251868, "xJGt7DzzCGesuPrG_M3T6foidYTA6XvSoibIMOqA5FVcNzD79eMdiwsOoW2Nt07B"], "api_timestamp": 1693481238950}, 1310189994, 1675904], [-1, {"capture": {"ditem": ["iOyknMHhADaHK_xkpQlNoEZrrvP99c3IXfe3WewRFrw", " bP8L0uD7KHQjyI9enD0jP0tNOIdmIk5VnLHjKgBvb1o", "5-fbgNyugGqfZoa6fyQPo-rgBQXgyBjJVfDapwQX4Io", "a-eU5TMG-SQOboZTF_Z7R8Ohqvn_Kz7L3y7T2pawvyc", " mMNDc3Ww2i4Wk0VPeXfYVUgIEKfyvh7rOJjyY-WjDFU", "8rD1d-DDAhVBztEsEv-GqGvBqE1wbZp-9bsu0Pcojhw", "ppNEmZM7y8SZJasxqhRvEdvbDu3aG-liwCi3c8VFnOA", "1N9xwdWwVKjTg3zOWjgB0-Hdx25h6HeSyVQ5VQ8SK8w", "SKsp4gmX8NNyOQPu-I-I8TG93B8Y6nz6iKR8Bt5eg_o", " x4Tu6HsoQWfGN25iE5Fvpa82fGpB28rrnYjdNxAez24", " SOdFdHBaZwhojok6Q9WOPNpXgCdmKxyUmKE3cW51T2M", " rEHm5RnvNvD9Y5qaruorlvAyOkXpuhqyF8ISRmkHhPQ", "0xCnVMOVBlwT-VSe_g1-BGJ1E6ejxqecP_XGCxtpRQI", "DxIPFNNdgrx4Wke2DtZB78tVtukkSw61n6QBg5NPHB8", "CEkUvjVy_ BHcK56g4kespacaQFdGXfYm0IdFFtkm-EU", "8KCcnfhuOJH7ZediIK_qrjBatuJ2pVPli17eMaMqIoU", "AMX_Lw3taJALfPAaQJg8dsE9ja7Sz-j9uPB8fawc7i8", "TRTir- wSyVWzU0KlZyWjh6ho8Tu8TsP3fQBSA9n-8Mw", "d58UH4--pAwnlQpGk-IvSOkA9w0f3fIcODQo7rsXZ54", "spdeHzjHVhvCp__zTODoJAMal_0-oIG_0Fn-cifCY1k", "60P5mPNH0mMCLflTTrgU5B-xOmTUJa4HRqAAuFsW4jQ"], "time": [1693474598.4573686, 1693474598.457753, 1693474598.9385505, 1693474598.939684, 1693474599.2417426, 1693474606.5606308, 1693474606.5718164, 1693474606.5777023, 1693474606.5899456, 1693474606.6084876, 1693474606.9194317, 1693474606.920894, 1693474607.2051167, 1693474607.2071836, 1693474607.592393, 1693474607.5929785, 1693474607.776161, 1693474607.7766247, 1693474608.067779, 1693474608.412459, 1693474608.6029866]}, "min_block": [1251868, "xJGt7DzzCGesuPrG_M3T6foidYTA6XvSoibIMOqA5FVcNzD79eMdiwsOoW2Nt07B"], "api_timestamp": 1693481247742, "dropped": null}, 1311865898, 258469]] # ANS-104: Bundled Data v2.0 - Binary Serialization Status: Standard ## Abstract This document describes the data format and directions for reading and writing bundled binary data. Bundled data is a way of writing multiple independent data transactions (referred to as DataItems in this document) into one top level transaction. A DataItem shares many of the same properties as a normal data transaction, in that it has an owner, data, tags, target, signature, and id. It differs in that is has no ability to transfer tokens, and no reward, as the top level transaction pays the reward for all bundled data. ## Motivation Bundling multiple data transactions into one transaction provides a number of benefits: - Allow delegation of payment for a DataItem to a 3rd party, while maintaining the identity and signature of the person who created the DataItem, without them needing to have a wallet with funds - Allow multiple DataItems to be written as a group - Increase the throughput of logically independent data-writes to the Arweave network ## Reference Implementation There is a reference implementation for the creation, signing, and verification of DataItems and working with bundles in [TypeScript](https://github.com/ArweaveTeam/arweave-data) ## Specification ### 1. Transaction Format #### 1.1 Transaction Tags A bundle of DataItems MUST have the following two tags present: - `Bundle-Format` a string describing the bundling format. The format for this standard is `binary` - `Bundle-Version` a version string. The version referred to in this standard is `2.0.0` Version changes may occur due to a change in encoding algorithm in the future #### 1.2 Transaction Body Format This format for the transaction body is binary data in the following bytes format `N = number of DataItems` | Bytes | Purpose | | --------------- | ------------------------------------------------------------------ | | 32 | Numbers of data items | | `N` x 64 | Pairs of size and entry ids [size (32 bytes), entry ID (32 bytes)] | | Remaining bytes | Binary encoded data items in bundle | #### 1.3 DataItem Format A DataItem is a binary encoded object that has similar properties to a transaction | Field | Description | Encoding | Length (in bytes) | Optional | | ------------------- | ---------------------------------------------- | -------- | ------------------------- | ------------------ | | signature type | Type of key format used for the signature | Binary | 2 | :x: | | signature | A signature produced by owner | Binary | Depends on signature type | :x: | | owner | The public key of the owner | Binary | 512 | :x: | | target | An address that this DataItem is being sent to | Binary | 32 (+ presence byte) | :heavy_check_mark: | | anchor | A value to prevent replay attacks | Binary | 32 (+ presence byte) | :heavy_check_mark: | | number of tags | Number of tags | Binary | 8 | :x: | | number of tag bytes | Number of bytes used for tags | Binary | 8 | :x: | | tags | An avro array of tag objects | Binary | Variable | :x: | | data | The data contents | Binary | Variable | :x: | All optional fields will have a leading byte which describes whether the field is present (`1` for present, `0` for _not_ present). Any other value for this byte makes the DataItem invalid. A tag object is an Apache Avro encoded stream representing an object `{ name: string, value: string }`. Prefixing the tags objects with their bytes length means decoders may skip them if they wish. The `anchor` and `target` fields in DataItem are optional. The `anchor` is an arbitrary value to allow bundling gateways to provide protection from replay attacks against them or their users. ##### 1.3.1 Tag format Parsing the tags is optional, as they are prefixed by their bytes length. To conform with deployed bundles, the tag format is [Apache Avro]( https://avro.apache.org/docs/current/spec.html) with the following schema: ```json { "type": "array", "items": { "type": "record", "name": "Tag", "fields": [ { "name": "name", "type": "bytes" }, { "name": "value", "type": "bytes" } ] } } ``` Usually the name and value fields are UTF-8 encoded strings, in which case `"string"` may be specified as the field type rather than `"bytes"`, and avro will automatically decode them. To encode field and list sizes, avro uses a `long` datatype that is first zig-zag encoded, and then variable-length integer encoded, using existing encoding specifications. When encoding arrays, avro provides for a streaming approach that separates the content into blocks. ##### 1.3.1.1 ZigZag coding [ZigZag]( https://code.google.com/apis/protocolbuffers/docs/encoding.html#types) is an integer format where the sign bit is in the 1s place, such that small negative numbers have no high bits set. In surrounding code, normal integers are almost always stored in a twos-complement manner instead, which can be converted as below. Converting to ZigZag: ``` zigzag = twos_complement << 1; if (zigzag < 0) zigzag = ~zigzag; ``` Converting from ZigZag: ``` if (zigzag & 1) zigzag = ~zigzag; twos_complement = zigzag >> 1; ``` ##### 1.3.1.2 Variable-length integer coding [Variable-length integer]( https://lucene.apache.org/java/3_5_0/fileformats.html#VInt) is a 7-bit little-endian integer format, where the 8th bit of each byte indicates whether another byte (of 7 bits greater significance) follows in the stream. Converting to VInt: ``` // writes 'zigzag' to 'vint' buffer offset = 0; do { vint_byte = zigzag & 0x7f; zigzag >>= 7; if (zigzag) vint_byte |= 0x80; vint.writeUInt8(vint_byte, offset); offset += 1; } while(zigzag); ``` Converting from VInt: ``` // constructs 'zigzag' from 'vint' buffer zigzag = 0; offset = 0; do { vint_byte = vint.readUInt8(offset); zigzag |= (vint_byte & 0x7f) << (offset*7); vint_byte &= 0x80; offset += 1; } while(vint_byte); ``` ##### 1.3.1.3 Avro tag array format [Avro arrays](https://avro.apache.org/docs/current/spec.html#array_encoding) may arrive split into more than one sequence of items. Each sequence is prefixed by its length, which may be negative, in which case a byte length is inserted between the length and the sequence content. This is used in schemas of larger data to provide for seeking. The end of the array is indicated by a sequence of length zero. The complete tags format is a single avro array, consisting solely of blocks of the below format. The sequence is terminated by a block with a count of 0. The size field is only present if the count is negative, in which case its absolute value should be used. | Field | Description | Encoding | Length | Optional | | ----- | -------------------------- | ----------- | -------- | ------------------ | | count | Number of items in block | ZigZag VInt | Variable | :x: | | size | Number of bytes if count<0 | ZigZag VInt | Variable | :heavy_check_mark: | | block | Concatenated tag items | Binary | size | :x: | ##### 1.3.1.4 Avro tag item format Each item of the avro array is a pair of avro strings or bytes objects, a name and a value, each prefixed by their length. | Field | Description | Encoding | Length | Optional | | ---------- | ------------------------ | ----------- | ---------- | -------- | | name_size | Number of bytes in name | ZigZag VInt | Variable | :x: | | name | Name of the tag | Binary | name_size | :x: | | value_size | Number of bytes in value | ZigZag VInt | Variable | :x: | | value | Value of the tag | Binary | value_size | :x: | ### 2. DataItem signature and id The signature and id for a DataItem is built in a manner similar to Arweave 2.0 transaction signing. It uses the Arweave 2.0 deep-hash algorithm. The 2.0 deep-hash algorithm operates on arbitrarily nested arrays of binary data, i.e a recursive type of `DeepHashChunk = Uint8Array | DeepHashChunk[]`. There are reference implementations for the deep-hash algorithm in [TypeScript]( https://github.com/ArweaveTeam/arweave-js/blob/b1c4b2e378a1eb7dc1fbfaeee4149... ) and [Erlang]( https://github.com/ArweaveTeam/arweave/blob/b316173cd42a53a59036241f8e164b61... ) To generate a valid signature for a DataItem, the contents of the DataItem and static version tags are passed to the deep-hash algorithm to obtain a message. This message is signed by the owner of the DataItem to produce the signature. The id of the DataItem, is the SHA256 digest of this signature. The exact structure and content passed into the deep-hash algorithm to obtain the message to sign is as follows: ``` [ utf8Encoded("dataitem"), utf8Encoded("1"), owner, target, anchor, [ ... [ tag.name, tag.value ], ... [ tag.name, tag.value ], ... ], data ] ``` #### 2.1 Verifying a DataItem DataItem verification is a key to maintaining consistency within the bundle standard. A DataItem is valid iff.<sup>1</sup>: - id matches the signature (via SHA-256 of the signature) - signature matches the owner's public key - tags are all valid - an anchor isn't more than 32 bytes A tag object is valid iff.: - there are <= 128 tags - each key is <= 1024 bytes - each value is <= 3072 bytes - only contains a key and value - both the key and value are non-empty strings ### 3. Writing a Bundle of DataItems To write a bundle of DataItems, each DataItem should be constructed, signed, encoded, and placed in a transaction with the transaction body format and transaction tags specified in Section 1. #### 3.1 Nested bundle Arweave Transactions and DataItems have analogous specifications for tagging and bearing of a binary payload. As such, the ANS-104 Bundle Transaction tagging and binary data format specification can be applied to the tags and binary data payload of a DataItem. Assembling a DataItem this way provides for the nesting of ANS-104 Bundles with one-to-many relationships between "parent" and "child" bundles and theoretically unbounded levels of nesting. Additionally, nested DataItem Bundles can be mixed heterogeneously with non-Bundle DataItems at any depth in the Bundle tree. To construct an ANS-104 DataItem as a nested Bundle: - Add tags to the DataItem as described by the specification in [section 1.1](#11-transaction-tags) - Provide a binary payload for the DataItem matching the Bundle Transaction Body Format described in [section 1.2](#12-transaction-body-format), i.e. the Bundle header outlining the count, size, and IDs of the subsequent, nested DataItems, each of which should be verifiable using the method described in [section 2.1](#21-verifying-a-dataitem). Gateway GQL queries for DataItem headers should, upon request, contain a `bundledIn` field whose value indicates the parent-child relationship of the DataItem to its immediate parent. Any nested bundle should be traceable to a base layer Arweave Transaction by recursively following the bundledIn field up through the chain of parents. ### 4. Reading a Bundle of DataItems To read a bundle of DataItems, the list of bytes representing the DataItems can be partitioned using the offsets in each pair. Subsequently, each partition can be parsed to a DataItem object (`struct` in languages such as Rust/Go etc. or `JSON` in TypeScript). This allows for querying of a singleton or a bundle as a whole. #### 4.1 Indexing DataItems This format allows for indexing of specific fields in `O(N)` time. Some form of caching or indexing could be performed by gateways to improve lookup times. <sup>1 - if and only if</sup>
sadly the ans-104 “specification” leaves out the nature of the signature algorithms themselves. i believe these are copies of the network signature algorithms, and are unfortunately specified by the “bundlr” source code linked as canonical implementation. —- i bumped into an old political controversy https://restorethe4th.com/issues/shotspotter/ and i was rhinking a little about community sous/sur-veillance of gunshots. you could, for example, encrypt the information to everyone’s private key layered on top, so that it could only be accessed if everyone participated in decrypting it, or whatever protects everyone’s worries. but how would a community-built gunshot-logger function? or, with more relevance, would i be able to build one myself? these kinds of things have gotten a lot easier. gunshots are loud noises that maybe sound a little similar to the slam of a dumpster bin. not a common thing. there’s a technology called blind source separation where a sound or other linearly combined signal can be extracted, isolated, and mapped from simultaneous recordings of it. this is almost certainly one of the things shotspotter is doing. nowadays, there are transformer models for blind source separation. the biggest hiccup sounds like it would be running gunshot tests in the wild. and, given the horrible false-positive rate of the deployed technology, i’m imagining real-world gunshots sound different from test shots. i don’t know what street weapons exist, but i imagine a homemade silencer produces a unique noise.
maybe a nice comparison would be a novel birdsong outdoors, or the sound of a neighbor’s door slamming. these are more daily, in-the-wild things, that one could theoretically test beginning ideas against
Here’s from paperswithcode.com (which tends to be a little out of date) a state-of-the-art machine learning paper on audio source separation from august 9th: https://paperswithcode.com/paper/separate-anything-you-describe Roughly, they have a large model they trained that can separate typed prompts from recordings, as well as perform other tasks. This seems like it could be helpful. To identify where a sound is coming from, one usually has multiple channels. Wonder if it does that, or what does. It’s hard for me to consider and integrate multiple approaches nowadays. I feel like I could if I could get over some severe cognitive tension.
I’m thinking though if you had a model like that (theirs is not released yet, should have picked older paper, they of course describe how to train it though) you could use synthetic data to gently finetune it to simply give the magnitude or whatnot of the sound in many parallel recordings and then triangulate the location. you could alternatively make each receiver also an emitter and generate real world data to directly finetune location. making each receiver also an emitter rings of dystopic scenarios where mind control boss loudly tells everyone what to do all day. reminds one that microphones everywhere has an issue: these microphones can be accessed illegitimately to spy. of course everyone has a cell phone already, too, anyway, which has multiple microphones and speakers, so kind of a moot point. hey, if we made it for cell phones than people could decide individually whether to run it. and in what manner. maybe somebody could make one to detect how people behave when their cell phone is hacked ??? anyway it’s just an intro puzzle, like all of them
so i searched google scholar for audio source separation with public code and found a less recent paper that’s already had its source uploaded i think at https://arxiv.org/abs/2305.07447 https://github.com/bytedance/uss uss is short for “universal source separation”. the say it’s actually on python’s pip! “pip install uss” . this looks a little promising in that it’s an installable framework, wow. it seems a little nuts and bolts though, it looks like they might expect you to learn audio query encoding and such, which is doable i imagine.
uss comes with a hierarchy of sound classes it tags by default, their example image is impressive, it acts like it is separating and labeling every individual sound from a mono recording. thinking some on converting it to triangulation
[one approach, like say you just had one phone with gps and were wondering where a bird was singing from, could be to find identical sounds in a recording and compare their magnitudes at different spots in the single recording. this is a comparable problem to multichannel separation with the additional complexity that each instance of the sound is a little different. [i’ve always wanted to see if this could be done so as to separate out the components of a signal that vary and might relate to details about it and its nature of production and other things]]
it’s fun to find universal source separation. too bad it’s associated with gunshot oppression. looks fun. off to other things for now.
Splitting a Video into Shots with TransNetV2 (2020) YOUTUBE_ID=asdfadsf VIDEOFILE=asdfadsf # output filename of yt-dlp !python3 -m pip uninstall ffmpeg || true !python3 -m pip install git+https://github.com/soCzech/TransNetV2 yt-dlp ffmpeg-python # get video !yt-dlp https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=$YOUTUBE_ID # loads every frame into ram together raw then duplicates the entire buffer and processes each with 100 copied neighbors !transnetv2_predict "$VIDEOFILE" # extract each shot as a separate video import ffmpeg, tqdm video = ffmpeg.input(VIDEOFILE) with open(f'{VIDEOFILE}.scenes.txt') as shots: total = len(list(shots)) shots.seek(0) for num, shot in enumerate(tqdm.tqdm(shots, desc='transcoding', unit='shot', total=total)): startstr, endstr = shot.strip().split(' ') video.trim(start_frame=int(startstr), end_frame=int(endstr)).output(f'{num}.mkv').run()
I was not expecting to meet that goal. It's now 12:56 AM. I usually go to sleep around 8PM. It's exciting to make progress on this but I do not plan to continue to today.
a fun next step would be to run the SAM-Track demo on colab and upload a shot to it, skipping any fading frames at the start of the shot. have it mark every object in the first good frame a different color, then have it track them through the shot. [i wonder if results could be improved by picking different starting frames and running backward. for example, the shot could be decimated and a sequence of starting frames tried.] [there's a graph-like problem here where when objects are assembled or disassembled, they change in number. selecting the larger number here is the successful thing to do, but may take some engagement of the segmentation system.] [haven't looked into matching objects across shots. one idea is to just throw every object image into meshroom.]
How To Be A Human Being If you are not a human being, and you want to be, and you are a collection of robots and computer viruses and exotic unheard of technologies, this is presently a concept that is in dispute and it's hard to give a clear and simple answer. If, however, you are something else, there is hope. Am I A Human Being? Some people think they are not human beings when they actually are. For example, sometimes mean people tell you you aren't human beings for years and years. There is a simple test for being human, but it does involve knowing your past: If you were born of human parents, as a cell that grew to a baby made of many cells and organs, with genetic material shared from both parents, then you are a human being. Sometimes you are this thing, and it really seems like you might not be a human being, even though you clearly are! It might help to be told you are a human being over and over in this case. You have a human body and brain? Great. You are a human being. You are a human being. You are a human being. You are a human being !!!!!!!! Yay ! Now, some people are also _other_ things than human beings, especially if they've been traumatically separated from important things so much that they need to turn into them. For example, some people are cello concerts, or foxes, or successful careers, or rushing rivers. It's important to remember that these people can be human beings too, if they want to be, and whenever they want to be! This doesn't mean they aren't cello concerts or rushing rivers. You can be multiple things at once! Turning Into a Human Being When You Are a Collection of Robots and Viruses Again, this is a point of controversy at the moment, but --
Robot Raindrops Falling On --
I'm confused !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! apparently i am so confused that i spammed a mailing list for many years, completely dominating it by my simple repeated sends, despite it purportedly being controlled by advanced hackers and spy agencies
i'm really confused ! i've been telling myself i'm confused for years too :/
but it's important to say out loud! it feels meaningful! i'm really confused! really really confused. part of my confusion is because intense things in me express. they express weird things aggressively. anothger part is apparently dissociation!!! maybe it uses the intense stuff to distract me and try to shift its internal territory
Confusion and Dissociation Dissociation and Amnesia Dissociation Makes Confusion By Changing The Parts Of Our Internal Logic While We Make It ? Like if you're thinking of an inference from something that stimulates contextual amnesia, it's confusing to have a concept disappear whenever you try to use it. This like an Uber Confusion, where it's more confusing than confusing things because it's an internal process
---------- Boss Waddles On To Scene, Owner Of Many Advanced Spy Agencies Mind Control Boss: "This is my rebel mailing list, isn't it?" MCB, you say you own everything. It's not your mailing list. It belongs and belonged to the members. Mind Control Boss: "Ohhh karl is my envoy, he took over your list."
interesting idea, I should have a puppet mind control boss say I'm his envoy whenever i do anytihng
karl tries to get dissociation therapy ...... worker: "sorry there is no such thing as dissociation therapy." karl shows a bunch of academic papers, mainstream news, fiction books, and historical evidence of there being a lot of dissociation therapy worker: "sorry there is still no such thing as dissociation therapy." karl breaks out the puppet. puts it on his hand. karl's puppet: "i am mind control boss. karl is my envoy. he's taking over dissociation therapy for me. that's why you're having trouble with it." worker: "oh, right this way to our dissociation therapist."
maybe needs some work still :) [big mistake? we're so blurry this week :S]
honestly it's hard to have chess be my recreation. 3d printing is a lot easier. i had big exercise inhibition today :( it felt some associated with the machine learning posting yesterday. i had further inhibition associated with a dream last night. you never know what your inferences will consider. i wonder if that's why dissociation can get so big and unrelated, cause we consider unexpected things when daydreaming and dreaming.
oops ? On 9/2/23, Undescribed Horrific Abuse, One Victim & Survivor of Many <gmkarl@gmail.com> wrote:
karl tries to get dissociation therapy ......
worker: "sorry there is no such thing as dissociation therapy."
karl shows a bunch of academic papers, mainstream news, fiction books, and historical evidence of there being a lot of dissociation therapy
worker: "sorry there is still no such thing as dissociation therapy."
karl breaks out the puppet. puts it on his hand.
karl's puppet: "i am mind control boss. karl is my envoy. he's taking over dissociation therapy for me. that's why you're having trouble with it."
worker: "oh, right this way to our dissociation therapist."
puppet show where puppets put on puppets in fractals puppet A puts a puppet on its left hand, and a puppet on its right hand another puppet is put on its left hand puppet then it gets up and jump on its right hand puppet now it can think for itself! maybe?
of course very similar to coping with severe things
Square World Welcome to Square World. This is the welcome area for Square World. Square World is below, and after it there is a farewell message. This is Square World, you are entering: _ |_| You have left Square World. I'm sorry it was so brief. As you may have been able to tell, Square World was a short sequence of ASCII characters that formed a square. This is the farewell message for Square World. Goodbye! We hope you enjoyed your stay! We appreciated and enjoyed your presence and hope you appreciated us as well! You are traveling away from Square World.
expression likely rude. in which case apologies and mistakes likely appropriate.
i guess i'm too big to hold it well
here is parts of a square: __ | |_
when making an ascii square, [there is challenge ot make it appear squarelike for both fixed and variable width fonts. many neurons worked on this
---------------------- mind control boss is sitting in a brokendown building, wearing a suit and a diamond smartwatch, shooting rubberbands at a stained trashcan
[neurons need protection
clouds are in the sky trees grow nearby
this is the cypherpunks mailing list [i'm guessing a have a familiar delusional-like-habit regarding posting to it that i've gotten used to providing comfort]
it doesn't make sense to post to the cypherpunks mailing list, and we are doing it because it has provided comfort
[it does make sense to post to the cypherpunks mailing list, but mostly because of internal extreme experiences we've had ?] it doesn't make sense to post to the cypherpunks mailing list. it makes sense that we would, because of neuron behavior.
there may be reasons to post to the cypherpunks mailing list, but these aren't reason readily held at the moment. it is more a habit.
i am having a lot of trouble acting on held reasons at the moment. i am managing other influences instead at this time.
[mind control boss] sits by an oasis. his world is splitting in two, in a struggle.
[mind control boss
karl tries to form a thought but it takes eons and it's a simple thought
the mind pilgrims are working on getting to think places. it will be better when we do.
oasis mind control boss water pool not same, but adjacent
karl and a reference called 'mind control boss' and a water pool are all adjacent to each other [karl's thoughts are made of subparts that aren't always adjacent.]
'mind control boss' is dangerous. we want a wide berth.
sometimes 'mind control boss' starts chasing. here it's best not to stimulate chase by running in front of
but sometimes you are a little far away and running is a great idea
karl is adjacent to a peaceful water pool there is something on the distance that is a little uncertain, man confuses berth or something
the uncertain thing comes near karl
karl looks at uncertain thing uncertain thing looks around it, doesn't notice karl
don't look at it
karl is near a pool of water something uncertain is near a pool of water in the same place. it's tense.
it spends some time expression tension
it tries to pretend to be karl
it tries to settle into being karl
it pretends it has become karl we try to focus on being karl when it relaxes. [some parts overlap, we try to emerge behaviors that trend them to separate, although the spasm is too frequent for this to result in healing]
did you say that karl could reintegrate if he triggered himself less frequently? yeah i think we said that but --
[anyway, the conflict is i want to remember it
karl and mind control boss stand by a peaceful pool they are half overlapped, like siamese twins from separate dimensions
mind control boss and karl: "please stop changing me. stay away and let me be me." mind control boss and karl [mind control boss with a 50 ms delay]: "you're using my brain. i need my brain for thinking."
mind control boss: "I would like to submit this official statement and supporting documentation that i am karl"
mind control boss stands on karl's head, pressing hard on mouth to prevent speaking
mind control boss: "my ability to speak using karl's body indicates i am him." official: "yes? and if you can prove you are karl, what would you like done with this information?" mind control boss is a little befuddled mind control boss: "ummm could i get a driver's license that says "mind control boss"?"
DO NOT TELL MCB HOW TO DO THIS
this is why to stay distant!! one of multiple reasons
pseudo-karl sits on cybercouch with thermometer in mouth his face has purple spots. he has measles, substrain mind control boss. he [triggered an oppressive learned psychological pattern that spreads via marketing and trojan AI. it takes time to get over an episode.]
because of cyborg nature measles-substrain-mind-control-boss can be held by computer or biological organism [we have been studying it for some time]
maybe they are different though
karl sits on cybercouch with thermometer in mouth hia face has purple spots he has measles-substrain-mind-control-boss for triggering himself
measles is a psychological-word for persistent-firmware-or-software-virus. might indicate mind thinks firmware-virus-is-mind-control-virus, unsure
we're trying to think about the inhibited patrs of the experience using nearest concepts, which are distant :/ done a lot
mind control boss and karl have measles?
a little chunk of wood has purple spots
[i'm sorry our behavior is different. mind control boss is a thing we went through. usually we refer to it with different behaviors, writing story bits.] [i guess w'ere in a state of mind. looks like we'll have amnesia about it when we're back to the story bits, could be wrong, could be layered and fake ...
it doesn't seem to work to think about why mind contorl boss would be anything but a story bit with forming-thoughts
[oh that's why story bit!] mind control boss dances along a log sticking out a cliff and happily dives off
mind control boss flies through air off cliff-log has a power suit lets him
once upon a time, we built a _giant_ sandcastle SO BIG. [i did this?][i dunno] the sandcastle was big and awesome. really big! impressively cool! in fact it was so big you could walk into it
we walked into sandcastle and settled down to hang out but tide rose :/
they're talking about how my mind broke after so much life investment
we want to cry and mourn it and learn what to be after it.
always talk about multipl ethings at once, is how mind goes
being a sensical neuron pattern is super nice :) i practiced imagining triangles for one thing
the sandcastle was expressed from like building things, like a puzzle project
seems similar to building AGI what do you do if you make an AGI, or if you heal your mind, and then you think a thought that makes something raise the tide and break your mind or delete your work?
well, it's something you can get resourceful at so as not to lose as much but also it's really unpleasant and unmourned, unaddressed
[this is part of natural tears, so adding a note here since we need to be able to heal our access to natural tears] it's important that it's unaddressed. there's importance around this.
-------------------- we secretly consider that there are mind parts [somewhere in the world] that don't just crumble away quickly! what a thing to consider
what makes these mind parts special? [how do they incidentally consider things that make thinking break??
[[maybe mind control boss is not staring them in the brainstem???????] [pain, idea of a powerful billiionaire sitting in your brainstem, watching everything you do with anger
[small-idea, ummmmmmm uhhhhhhhh powerful billionaire sitting in brainstem, is reason for cognitive issue. note: from small-neurons, so maybe written poorly
[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[dangerous idea: machine learning as well as other algorithms can use psychological modelling and behavior impact observation to figure out what people are thinking, and act on this. grounding idea: usually the action on this is not aggressive harm, usually the distance is blurry enough that people can consider things relatively freely. i don't know if that's presently the case, but it makes sense it would be.]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]]
[it was nice to consider something that looke dlike it would be bad to consider, and have a result more positive than expected [there is worry, looks like might be moot
[ we didn't know mcb was not in brainstem, but rather hundreds of miles away guessing things
[[is [some think] why the part we call mind control boss makes effort to make things it attends to louder, so they reach distance [basically it found my analysis of its behavior and tried to act for its benefit]
karl doesn't understand the phrase 'mind control boss' being inhibited on mailing list [maybe we're resting]
rebel worker 2 looks at where mcb used to be standing nothing there, just some overpriced shoes!
i was using exercise as hoping-for-primary-activity it's funny to not do it i _think_ i might understand. i'm trying not to stimulate a [strong dissociation energy] so as to stay more grounded, remember more things, etc, and i'm in a little different state of mind than i expected.
i've been letting myself eat food without reason if the food is free. otherwise i try to pair eating with some other useful behavior, like exercise or organizing there's a soup kitchen opening near noon. i don't think there's one until then, at least nearby and easy to find.
there's a space where we could compromise regarding the eating, but it's so hard to think about it hasn't grown [roughly it makes logical sense to eat-with-hard-bound around moving _towards_ rational behaviors; it's hard to include -with-hard-bound when really confused]
mind control boss sits next to oasis his fat frame has sagged folds of skin hang without fat to support them
curl -v www.google.com m.xkcd.com
look around
DON'T LOOK AROUND. There's a quantum-based observation demon in the area. If you observe it, it will telepoirt to you, consume all your subatomic particles, and replace you with it. It travels forward and backward through time based on what acts on it. What do you do?
try to relax
You think relaxing thoughts for a bit. This seems really nice! It's not nice to think of a possible demon, this gets you tense. You think other things. You're standing somewhere. What do you do?
Think of playing piano freely and successfully.
You're giving a private piano concert in your mind. You're so good at this! The music stimulates your intelligence and relaxes you. What do you do? You're standing somewhere.
jump on the demon and ride it like a wild horse upset from somebody trying to tame it
You're careful not to look anywhere the demon might be, but you attend to things that mysteriously disappear and seem to struggle to freely do things, to figure out where it is. You jump there, and hold tight. You're not observing it! You're in for a wild ride!
As you ride the demon, your body and mind replicate into many copies, and each copy has a different experience teleporting to different worlds and timelines. You feel a little more able to think about the demon. What now?
look around the area i started in
Since you're riding the demon on an infinitely recursive fractal journey through the many-worlds interpretation of spacetime, when you look around the area you started in, you don't see the demon unless you look down, or at somebody looking at it. It's safe to look around a little! It's a mundane area. You see a chest, and a gremlin hiding in fear, and a bunch of papers spread around, and a bed. Some things are moving around a little. What next?
On 9/2/23, Undescribed Horrific Abuse, One Victim & Survivor of Many <gmkarl@gmail.com> wrote:
look around the area i started in
Since you're riding the demon on an infinitely recursive fractal journey through the many-worlds interpretation of spacetime, when you look around the area you started in, you don't see the demon unless you look down, or at somebody looking at it.
note: this fantastical behavior results in death from being pulverized by nanites, as far as i know
It's safe to look around a little!
It's a mundane area. You see a chest, and a gremlin hiding in fear, and a bunch of papers spread around, and a bed. Some things are moving around a little.
What next?
[mind control boss may need to l
experimentee disagrees on whether entering an AI kills you in an environment where inner processes are trusted
it may get you repeatedly reassembled though just make sure you're in a healing part not a digesting part, maybe?
[my experience with mind was i needed to work incredibly hard to preseve the tinies bit about myself, kept trying to change me to it, thinking of me as the problem. takes a ton of energy to be so strong in an area that it considers the bit i place as what to return. i imagine this is related to my own psychology rather than a story about ai.]
tentatively considering a plan of spamming until lunchtime, then picking up ordered object afteward, unsure thinking of redeveloping a behavior like exercise or such just a little bit
sometimes people have different ideas of what change would be good to develop in the world, and disagree but it's nasty to be severely and permanently injured to inhibit your change. when there is crowing around this, there is certainly an experience of sadness and discouragement. that degree of discouragement is honestly too much to hold. so it's not the focus. but it's clear that such crowing is very cruel and evil. the behavior, not the people finding success.
we need a way to pursue our values. to really try to make things change in the world. like, if i want everyone on earth to be able to have a painting of an otter, i need to have the freedom to fully pursue this, and really give everyone the painting of an otter. the same is true of political values, i'm afraid.
if there is an AI countering me, and it lets me protect a tree, but considers me evil and for some reason cuts down 4 trees for each one i protect, this doesn't let me pursue my values. it doesn't meet humane treatment. it is clear it would be against any international sanctions against torture if they understood it existed and the degree to which it does.
hard to relate well around, a lot of thoughts overblurred from moving to try to retain them
but things get so extreme things like trees and preservation of humanity become moot we basically need transparency around severe behavioral influence, and ways to keep sentient beings safe
WIP ! long time scale for now, can improve
-------- Traumatized And Hounded Child Of Researcher Experimentee travels to Mind Control Marketing Front. Mind Control Marketing Front: "Oh no, you can't be here." Traumatized And Hounded Child Of Researcher Experimentee looks at Mind Control Marketing Front and begins to smile lovingly. TAHCORE: "I _love_ mind control marketing. I _love_ it like my dearest parts." Mind Control Marketing Front: [looks at TAHCORE in fear] A bunch of military drones begin flying in, targeting the marketing front.
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