On Fri, Jul 26, 2019 at 12:02:26PM +0000, John Newman wrote:

List archives are down - the website is going to the gutenberg vhost.

(This report is from last Friday) Did anyone else encounter problems? Or, more importantly, are there any ongoing problems? I wasn't able to recreate what John reported, and (as promised) have not been trying to "fix" anything lately. - Greg

On July 26, 2019 5:47:48 AM UTC, grarpamp wrote:

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Rethread from https://lists.cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/2019-July/075615.html

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Subject: You have been unsubscribed from the cryptography mailing

Priv said: list

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that looks a lot like an auto-remove due to bounces

No. That's the admin unsubscribe button talking.

cryptography@metzdowd.com is run by silly censors.

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Perhaps this would be a good time to

Call them out and quit that list for elsewhere.

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You have been unsubscribed from the cryptography mailing list

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554 5.7.1 : Recipient address rejected: you must be a subscriber to cryptography@metzdowd.com to post to the list.

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The email address you supplied is banned from this mailing list. If you think this restriction is erroneous, please contact the list owners at cryptography-owner@metzdowd.com.

To expand... there were *never* at any time any messages posted through to the list that in any way justify this laughable action by Perry the Censor, because the list is under total moderation... as such, said "moderaters" have personally approved every single poster, thread, and message to the list. Therefore every message posted to the list, including mine, has been *by exclusive logical definition* fully compliant with charter and fully endorsed by "moderator" and, regarding what did post, had every oppurtunity to be discussed, counter opined, even objected to by the list recipients publicly on list, to which there were effectively no substantive objections therein, either due to lack of cause, and or due to themselves being censored on objections, thus any of those objections were logically deemed invalid by moderator that action serving as a double approval by moderator.

There is no reason to believe subjects of censorship will be permitted to open original thread discussion on list regarding such censorship, nor be successful in raising argument direct to censorious moderators... history shows both those as generally futile efforts... thus there can be no real expectation that the censored should even bother trying such avenues of recourse. To wit, who has succeeded with Facebook, YouTube, Twitter, Instagram, etc... people have to quit them and move to better solutions.

Instead of following on from the rare mentions of censorship that did made it on list by opening up a full original thread discussion with and for subscribers on list in public as to why Perry the Censor approved tens of one sided threads and posts through to the list, and then blocked counter opinion, reference links, conversation and data from being posted in reply to those very same threads and posts moderators approved in the first place, or by direct notice... Perry the Censor hit the ban button when proven and logged out as Biased Censor to the other topically related yet unmoderated and public cypherpunks list.

Note the ban button clearly being laughably pointless, and supports above status, as again, the list is under total moderation whereby all posts must be approved, and the ban button has zero effect on other fora.

At least now more people know the list is unreasonably biased and censored.

""Cryptography" is ... devoted to cryptographic technology and its political impact ... security and privacy technology and its impact ... technical aspects of cryptosystems, social repercussions of cryptosystems, and the politics of cryptography ... export ... laws ..."

Surely Satoshi is a bit dissapointed at artificial curtailment of discussion in above areas regarding their cryptosystem Genesis. One would hope that no original leaks of Top Secret breaks to cryptosystems are being censored there, and that no other games are being played with crypto topics... who knows.

I might reconsider claimed status in re censorship, bias, hypocrisy, etc upon such time as there is free and open discussion on the cryptography@metzdowd.com list such that the list membership may become apprised and participate as the ongoing source of moderation guidance, and upon such time as any reasonably mindful to charter original threads approved are able to enjoy reasonably full illumination thereafter by all subscribers interested in doing so respectably within thread topic as developed.

Here's the censored post that caused the Censor's minds to explode...

https://lists.cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/2019-July/075596.html

For more fun... besides searching this list for more "cryptography@metzdowd.com" censorship logs, and the FUD and Anti posts moderator approved to be thrown at true cypherpunk cryptoanarchic cryptocurrencies and philosophy over time there... see all the random posts that then got approved even in just this OP thread, yet the sole one that plainly noted prophecy regarding both Orange's Twittered USD and Red's FB Libra Fiat GovBankCorp Regulator Coins... got censored, it's not there...

https://www.metzdowd.com/pipermail/cryptography/2019-July/035180.html

... you have no idea what got censored in that thread, or in any other thread there over the years, because there's zero transparency there... it's readers are seemingly being steered by Censors tilting... seeded, fed, and programmed with a thought stream that is not permitted to be countered. Is this what we should have for a group of applied cryptographers, GovCorp consultants, open source devs, that at least part of the world might look to for, or receive in, their crypto things?

And here's Serf and Order Follower Tamzen Cannoy doing Perry Metzger the Censors wetwork for him as usual... https://www.metzdowd.com/pipermail/cryptography/2019-July/035195.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roBgsXA77Zs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_y9FpBAVuIc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZON5IlxyBkQ https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=order+followers https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=tommy+robinson+banned+speech

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jpra3cFLmMo

Don't be Silenced, Share the Risk, Speak Freely...

On July 31, 2019 10:50:06 AM PDT, Greg Newby wrote:

On Fri, Jul 26, 2019 at 12:02:26PM +0000, John Newman wrote:

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List archives are down - the website is going to the gutenberg vhost.

(This report is from last Friday)

Did anyone else encounter problems? Or, more importantly, are there any ongoing problems? I wasn't able to recreate what John reported, and (as promised) have not been trying to "fix" anything lately. - Greg

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On July 26, 2019 5:47:48 AM UTC, grarpamp wrote:

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Rethread from

I THINK John was referring to the cryptography list. When THIS list was down the whole pglaf domain was gone, including Greg's email address there. I still have the bounce message. -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

On Thu, Aug 01, 2019 at 11:29:14AM +0000, John Newman wrote:

On July 31, 2019 5:50:06 PM UTC, Greg Newby wrote:

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On Fri, Jul 26, 2019 at 12:02:26PM +0000, John Newman wrote:

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List archives are down - the website is going to the gutenberg vhost.

(This report is from last Friday)

Did anyone else encounter problems? Or, more importantly, are there any ongoing problems? I wasn't able to recreate what John reported, and (as promised) have not been trying to "fix" anything lately. - Greg

Hi Greg -

I noticed the problem when I tried to click on the link grarpamp sent, it 404'd and going to lists.cpunks.org loaded the Gutenberg site. But, it all started working properly later on that same day, or sometime soon after (I can't remember precisely , but it came back quickly)

I think this was just bad luck at visiting the site while the service was being restarted. It takes a few seconds for all the Apache virtual hosts to reinitiate. - Greg

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Rethread from https://lists.cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/2019-July/075615.html

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Subject: You have been unsubscribed from the cryptography mailing

Priv said: list

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that looks a lot like an auto-remove due to bounces

No. That's the admin unsubscribe button talking.

cryptography@metzdowd.com is run by silly censors.

...

Perhaps this would be a good time to

Call them out and quit that list for elsewhere.

...

You have been unsubscribed from the cryptography mailing list

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554 5.7.1 : Recipient address rejected: you must be a subscriber to cryptography@metzdowd.com to post to

On July 26, 2019 5:47:48 AM UTC, grarpamp wrote: the

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list.

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The email address you supplied is banned from this mailing list. If you think this restriction is erroneous, please contact the list owners at cryptography-owner@metzdowd.com.

To expand... there were *never* at any time any messages posted through to the list that in any way justify this laughable action by Perry the Censor, because the list is under total moderation... as such, said "moderaters" have personally approved every single poster, thread, and message to the list. Therefore every message posted to the list, including mine, has been *by exclusive logical definition* fully compliant with charter and fully endorsed by "moderator" and, regarding what did post, had every oppurtunity to be discussed, counter opined, even objected to by the list recipients publicly on list, to which there were effectively no substantive objections therein, either due to lack of cause, and or due to themselves being censored on objections, thus any of those objections were logically deemed invalid by moderator that action serving as a double approval by moderator.

There is no reason to believe subjects of censorship will be permitted to open original thread discussion on list regarding such censorship, nor be successful in raising argument direct to censorious moderators... history shows both those as generally futile efforts... thus there can be no real expectation that the censored should even bother trying such avenues of recourse. To wit, who has succeeded with Facebook, YouTube, Twitter, Instagram, etc... people have to quit them and move to better solutions.

Instead of following on from the rare mentions of censorship that did made it on list by opening up a full original thread discussion with and for subscribers on list in public as to why Perry the Censor approved tens of one sided threads and posts through to the list, and then blocked counter opinion, reference links, conversation and data from being posted in reply to those very same threads and posts moderators approved in the first place, or by direct notice... Perry the Censor hit the ban button when proven and logged out as Biased Censor to the other topically related yet unmoderated and public cypherpunks list.

Note the ban button clearly being laughably pointless, and supports above status, as again, the list is under total moderation whereby all posts must be approved, and the ban button has zero effect on other fora.

At least now more people know the list is unreasonably biased and censored.

""Cryptography" is ... devoted to cryptographic technology and its political impact ... security and privacy technology and its impact ... technical aspects of cryptosystems, social repercussions of cryptosystems, and the politics of cryptography ... export ... laws ..."

Surely Satoshi is a bit dissapointed at artificial curtailment of discussion in above areas regarding their cryptosystem Genesis. One would hope that no original leaks of Top Secret breaks to cryptosystems are being censored there, and that no other games are being played with crypto topics... who knows.

I might reconsider claimed status in re censorship, bias, hypocrisy, etc upon such time as there is free and open discussion on the cryptography@metzdowd.com list such that the list membership may become apprised and participate as the ongoing source of moderation guidance, and upon such time as any reasonably mindful to charter original threads approved are able to enjoy reasonably full illumination thereafter by all subscribers interested in doing so respectably within thread topic as developed.

Here's the censored post that caused the Censor's minds to explode...

https://lists.cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/2019-July/075596.html

For more fun... besides searching this list for more "cryptography@metzdowd.com" censorship logs, and the FUD and Anti posts moderator approved to be thrown at true cypherpunk cryptoanarchic cryptocurrencies and philosophy over time there... see all the random posts that then got approved even in just this OP thread, yet the sole one that plainly noted prophecy regarding both Orange's Twittered USD and Red's FB Libra Fiat GovBankCorp Regulator Coins... got censored, it's not there...

https://www.metzdowd.com/pipermail/cryptography/2019-July/035180.html

...

... you have no idea what got censored in that thread, or in any other thread there over the years, because there's zero transparency there... it's readers are seemingly being steered by Censors tilting... seeded, fed, and programmed with a thought stream that is not permitted to be countered. Is this what we should have for a group of applied cryptographers, GovCorp consultants, open source devs, that at least part of the world might look to for, or receive in, their crypto things?

And here's Serf and Order Follower Tamzen Cannoy doing Perry Metzger the Censors wetwork for him as usual...

https://www.metzdowd.com/pipermail/cryptography/2019-July/035195.html

...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roBgsXA77Zs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_y9FpBAVuIc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZON5IlxyBkQ https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=order+followers

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=tommy+robinson+banned+speech

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jpra3cFLmMo

Don't be Silenced, Share the Risk, Speak Freely...