On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 1:11 PM, Georgi Guninski wrote:

Why not filter each mailing list to different mailbox?

Hey Georgi, I know that we can set filters but thanks for the tip anyways. :) It's just that prefixing a list name seems to be a standard practice. Many lists follow it. And it helps actually! Saving us a click for entering into the directory/mailbox. We can spot the Cypherpunks emails from just a single look at our mailbox. :) -- Avinash Sonawane (rootKea) PICT, Pune https://rootkea.wordpress.com

The Thunderbird filter I use looks like: On 04/28/2017 01:29 PM, John Newman wrote:

On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 11:15:52AM +0530, Avinash Sonawane wrote:

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Hello!

I am subscribed to handful of mailing lists and I'm sure many of you are too. It gets pretty overwhelming when I check my mailbox at the end of day or after couple of days.

I would like to request the admins/owners to add [Cypherpunks] at the beginning of a subject by default to easily spot the mails from Cypherpunks list. This can be easily done by tweaking the appropriate Mailman settings and I can see that we are using Mailman to manage this list.

What do you guys think? Make a mail filter that prepends "[Cypherpunks]" (or whatever) to every cypherpunk list message, if you don't want to sort into its own box.

Of course, that has the disadvantage of (sort of) breaking replies, because the subject has changed...

John

On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 05:37:38PM +1000, Zenaan Harkness wrote:

On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 01:41:46AM -0400, grarpamp wrote:

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No, the real standard in use decades before the masses fucked up the internet is to use a capable mailer and capable filters and conform yourself to the awesome. If you're getting too much mail, turn it into not much mail with neomutt,

In Debian and derivatives, I think this is called notmuch-mutt

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maildrop,

or mailagent (or fdm, which also fetches mail, can't speak to it though..)

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msmtp,

Can anyone compare this to postfix (I only know postfix)?

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fetchmail, etc. Users can

fetchmail is so slow - ridiculous in this day and age - use mpop or getmail from the ever courteous and supportive Osamu Aoki :)

All that said, my deepest darkest bucket list secret items is to master qmail and associated programs ... one day..

On Sun, Apr 30, 2017 at 02:40:01AM -0400, grarpamp wrote:

qmail had a shitty license, but it was the shit till world moved on and it went unmaintained. And still probably nobody offers even the obvious basic TLS IPv6

Unix pipeline? What's wrong with socat / ssh? netcat allowed me to rescue files off an ancient WindowsNT4 computer with no USB, and a dead OS, about 22 years ago - linux liveboot off CD, mount, find|tar|gzip|nc -> nc|gunzip|tar Was very pleased that day - Unix actually works :) I have been a fervent believer in the power of pipelines of little boxes ever since..

LDAP

Always sounded cool, but never managed to generate the "need" within me to learn how to do this at home. I thought qmail was "nicely compartmentalized" in the unix way anyway? Why is internal auth a good thing?

DKIM

Package: dkimproxy Description-en: an SMTP-proxy that signs and/or verifies emails, using the Mail::DKIM module I guess ldap/dkim are more for corporate deplyoment?

etc single clean patch. So people just use postfix.

Yeah, sadly the license got me initially, then by the time there was an "installer" in contrib, had become comfortable with main.cf

It's not aoki's but cazabon's getmail, it and fdm are junk, at least

Ah, must be Aoki just packages it.

if until they do TLS and fingerprints right. Maybe they do now.

neomutt is notmuch.

mpop is only pop3, not imap.

If you don't need IMAP fetching, mpop has worked well for many years now... http://mpop.sourceforge.net/comparison.html IMAP always felt like not quite the right tool - heading towards centralisation rather than distributed .. just a feeling though.

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https://marmaro.de/prog/mmh mailagent.sf.net

On Apr 30, 2017, at 12:13 PM, grarpamp wrote:

Shims are fine for hacks, but few are that.

qmail has an "installer", but the source needs hacked to properly [confine] install and run anywhere other than djb's pet /var/qmail .

I was going to recommend netqmail, but it hasn't been updated since 2005, heh! djb has written some great stuff... doesn't he just release completely license free? Seems someone could fork it with gpl or whatever, if that were the real concern..

[2017-04-29 17:37] Zenaan Harkness

On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 01:41:46AM -0400, grarpamp wrote:

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neomutt

In Debian and derivatives, I think this is called notmuch-mutt

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maildrop,

or mailagent (or fdm, which also fetches mail, can't speak to it though..)

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msmtp,

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fetchmail

fetchmail is so slow - ridiculous in this day and age - use mpop or getmail from the ever courteous and supportive Osamu Aoki :)

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also fuck around with Thunderbird or Mailpile

There's also a splendid mh offspring called mmh[1] for text terminal junkies among you. [1] https://marmaro.de/prog/mmh

On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 6:41 AM, grarpamp wrote:

Users can also fuck around with Thunderbird or Mailpile.

Incidentally, mailpile also satisfies the desired requirement not to have to click into a seperate folder. It uses GMail like labels Has plenty of other drawbacks, but does tick that particular box. Like others I just filter into another folder -- Ben Tasker https://www.bentasker.co.uk

On Sun, Apr 30, 2017 at 10:25:14AM +0530, Avinash Sonawane wrote:

On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 6:27 PM, Ben Tasker wrote:

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Incidentally, mailpile also satisfies

Wow! Thanks for mentioning Mailpile. It looks promising. Completely open source with built-in PGP support! I'll give it a try.

But now I'm wondering what other FLOSS mail clients are there which have built-in PGP support with bells and whistles?

PINE users from 40 years ago can't seem to give it up, so that works for some folks - alpine these days I think. mutt/notmuch-mutt etc suits many. But if you want some really small and light, and still pty based, Emacs might be what you want... another item on my bucket list..

On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 11:11 AM, grarpamp wrote:

No, the real standard in use decades before the masses fucked up the internet is to use a capable mailer and capable filters and conform yourself to the awesome.

Good old days!

If you're getting too much mail, turn it into not much mail with neomutt, maildrop, msmtp, fetchmail, etc.

Thanks for the pointers!

If you're using gmail webinterface, good luck, it's garbage.

I second this. -- Avinash Sonawane (rootKea) PICT, Pune https://rootkea.wordpress.com