Adding [Cypherpunks] at the beginning of a subject by default
Hello! I am subscribed to handful of mailing lists and I'm sure many of you are too. It gets pretty overwhelming when I check my mailbox at the end of day or after couple of days. I would like to request the admins/owners to add [Cypherpunks] at the beginning of a subject by default to easily spot the mails from Cypherpunks list. This can be easily done by tweaking the appropriate Mailman settings and I can see that we are using Mailman to manage this list. What do you guys think? Regards, Avinash Sonawane (rootKea) PICT, Pune https://rootkea.wordpress.com
On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 11:15:52AM +0530, Avinash Sonawane wrote:
I am subscribed to handful of mailing lists and I'm sure many of you are too. It gets pretty overwhelming when I check my mailbox at the end of day or after couple of days.
Why not filter each mailing list to different mailbox? I thought almost everyone does that. In the end the spam you get is the same, no matter with prefix or not.
On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 1:11 PM, Georgi Guninski <guninski@guninski.com> wrote:
Why not filter each mailing list to different mailbox?
Hey Georgi, I know that we can set filters but thanks for the tip anyways. :) It's just that prefixing a list name seems to be a standard practice. Many lists follow it. And it helps actually! Saving us a click for entering into the directory/mailbox. We can spot the Cypherpunks emails from just a single look at our mailbox. :) -- Avinash Sonawane (rootKea) PICT, Pune https://rootkea.wordpress.com
On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 11:15:52AM +0530, Avinash Sonawane wrote:
Hello!
I am subscribed to handful of mailing lists and I'm sure many of you are too. It gets pretty overwhelming when I check my mailbox at the end of day or after couple of days.
I would like to request the admins/owners to add [Cypherpunks] at the beginning of a subject by default to easily spot the mails from Cypherpunks list. This can be easily done by tweaking the appropriate Mailman settings and I can see that we are using Mailman to manage this list.
What do you guys think?
Make a mail filter that prepends "[Cypherpunks]" (or whatever) to every cypherpunk list message, if you don't want to sort into its own box. Of course, that has the disadvantage of (sort of) breaking replies, because the subject has changed... John
The Thunderbird filter I use looks like: On 04/28/2017 01:29 PM, John Newman wrote:
On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 11:15:52AM +0530, Avinash Sonawane wrote:
Hello!
I am subscribed to handful of mailing lists and I'm sure many of you are too. It gets pretty overwhelming when I check my mailbox at the end of day or after couple of days.
I would like to request the admins/owners to add [Cypherpunks] at the beginning of a subject by default to easily spot the mails from Cypherpunks list. This can be easily done by tweaking the appropriate Mailman settings and I can see that we are using Mailman to manage this list.
What do you guys think? Make a mail filter that prepends "[Cypherpunks]" (or whatever) to every cypherpunk list message, if you don't want to sort into its own box.
Of course, that has the disadvantage of (sort of) breaking replies, because the subject has changed...
John
Of course, that has the disadvantage of (sort of) breaking replies, because the subject has changed...
Yes. Don't impose local solutions publicly upon others. As dumb as adding ten lines of spam scoring junk to your *outbound* mail, only stupid receivers would trust that.
No, the real standard in use decades before the masses fucked up the internet is to use a capable mailer and capable filters and conform yourself to the awesome. If you're getting too much mail, turn it into not much mail with neomutt, maildrop, msmtp, fetchmail, etc. Users can also fuck around with Thunderbird or Mailpile. If you're using gmail webinterface, good luck, it's garbage. Stuffing bloated redundant meta crap in the subject line isn't going to happen.
On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 01:41:46AM -0400, grarpamp wrote:
No, the real standard in use decades before the masses fucked up the internet is to use a capable mailer and capable filters and conform yourself to the awesome. If you're getting too much mail, turn it into not much mail with neomutt,
In Debian and derivatives, I think this is called notmuch-mutt
maildrop,
or mailagent (or fdm, which also fetches mail, can't speak to it though..)
msmtp,
Can anyone compare this to postfix (I only know postfix)?
fetchmail, etc. Users can
fetchmail is so slow - ridiculous in this day and age - use mpop or getmail from the ever courteous and supportive Osamu Aoki :)
also fuck around with Thunderbird or Mailpile. If you're using gmail webinterface, good luck, it's garbage.
Stuffing bloated redundant meta crap in the subject line isn't going to happen.
Thankfully.
On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 05:37:38PM +1000, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 01:41:46AM -0400, grarpamp wrote:
No, the real standard in use decades before the masses fucked up the internet is to use a capable mailer and capable filters and conform yourself to the awesome. If you're getting too much mail, turn it into not much mail with neomutt,
In Debian and derivatives, I think this is called notmuch-mutt
maildrop,
or mailagent (or fdm, which also fetches mail, can't speak to it though..)
msmtp,
Can anyone compare this to postfix (I only know postfix)?
fetchmail, etc. Users can
fetchmail is so slow - ridiculous in this day and age - use mpop or getmail from the ever courteous and supportive Osamu Aoki :)
All that said, my deepest darkest bucket list secret items is to master qmail and associated programs ... one day..
qmail had a shitty license, but it was the shit till world moved on and it went unmaintained. And still probably nobody offers even the obvious basic TLS IPv6 LDAP DKIM etc single clean patch. So people just use postfix. It's not aoki's but cazabon's getmail, it and fdm are junk, at least if until they do TLS and fingerprints right. Maybe they do now. neomutt is notmuch. mpop is only pop3, not imap.
https://marmaro.de/prog/mmh mailagent.sf.net
On Sun, Apr 30, 2017 at 02:40:01AM -0400, grarpamp wrote:
qmail had a shitty license, but it was the shit till world moved on and it went unmaintained. And still probably nobody offers even the obvious basic TLS IPv6
Unix pipeline? What's wrong with socat / ssh? netcat allowed me to rescue files off an ancient WindowsNT4 computer with no USB, and a dead OS, about 22 years ago - linux liveboot off CD, mount, find|tar|gzip|nc -> nc|gunzip|tar Was very pleased that day - Unix actually works :) I have been a fervent believer in the power of pipelines of little boxes ever since..
LDAP
Always sounded cool, but never managed to generate the "need" within me to learn how to do this at home. I thought qmail was "nicely compartmentalized" in the unix way anyway? Why is internal auth a good thing?
DKIM
Package: dkimproxy Description-en: an SMTP-proxy that signs and/or verifies emails, using the Mail::DKIM module I guess ldap/dkim are more for corporate deplyoment?
etc single clean patch. So people just use postfix.
Yeah, sadly the license got me initially, then by the time there was an "installer" in contrib, had become comfortable with main.cf
It's not aoki's but cazabon's getmail, it and fdm are junk, at least
Ah, must be Aoki just packages it.
if until they do TLS and fingerprints right. Maybe they do now.
neomutt is notmuch.
mpop is only pop3, not imap.
If you don't need IMAP fetching, mpop has worked well for many years now... http://mpop.sourceforge.net/comparison.html IMAP always felt like not quite the right tool - heading towards centralisation rather than distributed .. just a feeling though.
https://marmaro.de/prog/mmh mailagent.sf.net
Shims are fine for hacks, but few are that. qmail has an "installer", but the source needs hacked to properly [confine] install and run anywhere other than djb's pet /var/qmail .
On Apr 30, 2017, at 12:13 PM, grarpamp <grarpamp@gmail.com> wrote:
Shims are fine for hacks, but few are that.
qmail has an "installer", but the source needs hacked to properly [confine] install and run anywhere other than djb's pet /var/qmail .
I was going to recommend netqmail, but it hasn't been updated since 2005, heh! djb has written some great stuff... doesn't he just release completely license free? Seems someone could fork it with gpl or whatever, if that were the real concern..
On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 05:37:38PM +1000, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 01:41:46AM -0400, grarpamp wrote:
No, the real standard in use decades before the masses fucked up the internet is to use a capable mailer and capable filters and conform yourself to the awesome. If you're getting too much mail, turn it into not much mail with neomutt,
In Debian and derivatives, I think this is called notmuch-mutt
THE most AWESOME mutt color scheme imaginable, with nested gradations of mostly gray, to easily identify the threads in threads :) color normal black white color indicator black color123 # arrow or bar to indicate current menu item color markers brightred white # + wrapping markers color tree red white # thread tree color hdrdefault color243 color252 # message headers color header color4 color195 ^From: color header color4 color195 ^To: color header color20 color159 ^Cc: color header color20 color159 ^Bcc: color header color238 color14 ^Reply-To: color header color19 color153 ^Date: color header color19 color153 ^Subject: color body brightred white [\-\.+_a-zA-Z0-9]+@[\-\.a-zA-Z0-9]+ color body brightblue white (https?|ftp)://[\-\.,/%~_:?&=\#a-zA-Z0-9]+ color quoted color0 color252 color quoted1 color0 color249 color quoted2 color0 color246 color quoted3 color0 color74 # bluish color quoted4 color7 color244 color quoted5 color252 color240 color quoted6 color249 color17 color quoted7 color0 color246 color quoted8 color0 color249 color quoted9 color0 color74 color bold black color7 # "bold patterns" in body of messages color underline color188 black # "underline patterns" in body of messages color attachment color29 color253 color signature blue white color tilde color248 color235 # blank line identifier color search color0 color100 # highlight words in pager matching current se color status color4 color247 # status line, mutt menu and divider bar color error white red # mutt errors color message red blue # informational messages #color sidebar_new color0 color248 color sidebar_new black white
[2017-04-29 17:37] Zenaan Harkness <zen@freedbms.net>
On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 01:41:46AM -0400, grarpamp wrote:
neomutt
In Debian and derivatives, I think this is called notmuch-mutt
maildrop,
or mailagent (or fdm, which also fetches mail, can't speak to it though..)
msmtp,
fetchmail
fetchmail is so slow - ridiculous in this day and age - use mpop or getmail from the ever courteous and supportive Osamu Aoki :)
also fuck around with Thunderbird or Mailpile
There's also a splendid mh offspring called mmh[1] for text terminal junkies among you. [1] https://marmaro.de/prog/mmh
On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 01:41:46AM -0400, grarpamp wrote:
No, the real standard in use decades before the masses fucked up the internet is to use a capable mailer and capable filters and conform yourself to the awesome. If you're getting too much mail, turn it into not much mail with neomutt, maildrop, msmtp, fetchmail, etc. Users can also fuck around with Thunderbird or Mailpile. If you're using gmail webinterface, good luck, it's garbage.
people who don't understand the technology they are using, wth are they doing on a cypherpunks list anyway?
On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 6:41 AM, grarpamp <grarpamp@gmail.com> wrote:
Users can also fuck around with Thunderbird or Mailpile.
Incidentally, mailpile also satisfies the desired requirement not to have to click into a seperate folder. It uses GMail like labels Has plenty of other drawbacks, but does tick that particular box. Like others I just filter into another folder -- Ben Tasker https://www.bentasker.co.uk
On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 6:27 PM, Ben Tasker <ben@bentasker.co.uk> wrote:
Incidentally, mailpile also satisfies
Wow! Thanks for mentioning Mailpile. It looks promising. Completely open source with built-in PGP support! I'll give it a try. But now I'm wondering what other FLOSS mail clients are there which have built-in PGP support with bells and whistles? -- Avinash Sonawane (rootKea) PICT, Pune https://rootkea.wordpress.com
On Sun, Apr 30, 2017 at 10:25:14AM +0530, Avinash Sonawane wrote:
On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 6:27 PM, Ben Tasker <ben@bentasker.co.uk> wrote:
Incidentally, mailpile also satisfies
Wow! Thanks for mentioning Mailpile. It looks promising. Completely open source with built-in PGP support! I'll give it a try.
But now I'm wondering what other FLOSS mail clients are there which have built-in PGP support with bells and whistles?
PINE users from 40 years ago can't seem to give it up, so that works for some folks - alpine these days I think. mutt/notmuch-mutt etc suits many. But if you want some really small and light, and still pty based, Emacs might be what you want... another item on my bucket list..
On Sun, Apr 30, 2017 at 12:23 PM, Zenaan Harkness <zen@freedbms.net> wrote:
PINE users from 40 years ago can't seem to give it up, so that works for some folks - alpine these days I think.
Thanks. I'll take a look.
But if you want some really small and light, and still pty based, Emacs might be what you want... another item on my bucket list..
I am NOT going to install another operating system to read my emails. ;) -- Avinash Sonawane (rootKea) PICT, Pune https://rootkea.wordpress.com
On Sat, Apr 29, 2017 at 11:11 AM, grarpamp <grarpamp@gmail.com> wrote:
No, the real standard in use decades before the masses fucked up the internet is to use a capable mailer and capable filters and conform yourself to the awesome.
Good old days!
If you're getting too much mail, turn it into not much mail with neomutt, maildrop, msmtp, fetchmail, etc.
Thanks for the pointers!
If you're using gmail webinterface, good luck, it's garbage.
I second this. -- Avinash Sonawane (rootKea) PICT, Pune https://rootkea.wordpress.com
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