Your Cypherpunks archive
I have just discovered a startling omission in your Cypherpunks archive. A HUGE number of postings on the subject of AP, my assassination politics essay, which I began posting maybe about April/May 1995 are simply not there. And, in fact, postings on the subject of AP at least until early November 1995 seem to be missing. And perhaps after November 1995. I don't know what other classes of emails may also be missing, but I think it will be very important to find out this information. I looked at the archive because I wanted to determine the earliest that the subject of "Assassination Politics" appeared on the Cypherpunks list. It might have been April 1995.Note: as weird as it may sound, there are reasons that this material might have been tampered with, but I don't know what time the tampering occurred. We are discussing this on the Cypherpunks list. I assume you will want to participate. Jim Bell
Your right-wing proto-fascist libertard politics have made you paranoid. See a psychologist you poor persecuted assassination fan. Rr Sent from my Androgyne dee-vice with K-9 Mail On October 31, 2019 10:13:46 PM PDT, jim bell <jdb10987@yahoo.com> wrote:
I have just discovered a startling omission in your Cypherpunks archive. A HUGE number of postings on the subject of AP, my assassination politics essay, which I began posting maybe about April/May 1995 are simply not there. And, in fact, postings on the subject of AP at least until early November 1995 seem to be missing. And perhaps after November 1995. I don't know what other classes of emails may also be missing, but I think it will be very important to find out this information. I looked at the archive because I wanted to determine the earliest that the subject of "Assassination Politics" appeared on the Cypherpunks list. It might have been April 1995.Note: as weird as it may sound, there are reasons that this material might have been tampered with, but I don't know what time the tampering occurred. We are discussing this on the Cypherpunks list. I assume you will want to participate. Jim Bell
How can I tell? I looked for a VERY specific thing: The date that Part 1 of my AP essay appeared on the CP list, copied by somebody I don't recall from the Digitaliberty list (Bill Frezza) where I had originally posted it. Apparently that person thought it was appropriate for CP, and copied it. So far, so good, in 1995. But NOW, that information is unavailable. But that's not the only thing: So far, we can only find comments mentioning AP as early as November 1995. And yet, many posts by "Jim Bell" are plentifully available, with the exception of my postings on the subject of AP. In other words, a rather selective omission, don't you think? And other people's comments on the same subject are missing, too. Curiouser and curiouser. And I get comments from you which don't actually acknowledge that a problem might exist: Merely criticism. As if you don't LIKE me noticing that at least hundreds of specific postings are mysteriously missing, Then, I notice below that you claim that I have "right-wing proto-fascist libertard politics". Oh, really? I think most people noticed, eventually, that when I wrote AP, I didn't insert a political point-of-view in it, From the standpoint of AP, it simply didn't matter WHY a person didn't like government, AP offered him a way to get rid of it. So, why are you now saying, "right-wing proto-fascist libertard politics"? Isn't that somewhat of a contradiction in terms? Maybe you ought to go back and edit your comment to make it at least internally consistent, and ideally even logical from some identifiable political POV. Now, I will throw you a bone here: Yes, at various times in the past, mostly long past, SOME people decided to claim that my AP essay was "right wing". (We are talking the mid-1995's, although later examples do exist.) This initially floored me, but I eventually figured it out: Evidently, they read AP, and presumably they noticed the complete lack of indications that it was written by a typical left-winger. It didn't SOUND "left-wing". It didn't hit any of the typical "left-wing-notes" that a usual leftist screed would do. Yet, AP was clearly hugely revolutionary. And since it wasn't "left-wing", and being revolutionary couldn't possibly be "centrist", the unimaginative people decided that the only point remaining on the 2-dimensional political spectrum they were aware of was "right-wing". So, they (the leftists) claimed that AP must have been "right wing"! What else could they say? However, I suspect that more than a few right-wingers were initially aghast by AP, as well: Their precious governments were going to be utterly destroyed! The control they carefully built up over decades would come crashing down, In 1995, I suspect that both the left and the right were equally upset at the AP idea. I think that history illuminates your comment about "right-wing proto-fascist libertard politics". Utter nonsense, as just about everybody else will see, if not admit. Jim Bell On Friday, November 1, 2019, 09:48:02 AM PDT, Razer <g2s@riseup.net> wrote: Your right-wing proto-fascist libertard politics have made you paranoid. See a psychologist you poor persecuted assassination fan. Rr Sent from my Androgyne dee-vice with K-9 Mail On October 31, 2019 10:13:46 PM PDT, jim bell <jdb10987@yahoo.com> wrote: I have just discovered a startling omission in your Cypherpunks archive. A HUGE number of postings on the subject of AP, my assassination politics essay, which I began posting maybe about April/May 1995 are simply not there. And, in fact, postings on the subject of AP at least until early November 1995 seem to be missing. And perhaps after November 1995. I don't know what other classes of emails may also be missing, but I think it will be very important to find out this information. I looked at the archive because I wanted to determine the earliest that the subject of "Assassination Politics" appeared on the Cypherpunks list. It might have been April 1995.Note: as weird as it may sound, there are reasons that this material might have been tampered with, but I don't know what time the tampering occurred. We are discussing this on the Cypherpunks list. I assume you will want to participate. Jim Bell
DUDE! I was just viewing posts I put on a yahoo hosted blog in 2005 via wayback machine and most of the links are dead. 1995 is fucking well prehistoric... Sorry you believe everything on the internet is permanent... Wayback found nothing on your mail list earlier than anyone else here, the stuff is simply GONE. Get over it. Even Cloud storage goes byebye sometimes. No one is guaranteeing shit. The internet comes with a Taillight Warranty. Rr Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. On November 1, 2019 11:28:24 AM PDT, jim bell <jdb10987@yahoo.com> wrote:
How can I tell? I looked for a VERY specific thing: The date that Part 1 of my AP essay appeared on the CP list, copied by somebody I don't recall from the Digitaliberty list (Bill Frezza) where I had originally posted it. Apparently that person thought it was appropriate for CP, and copied it. So far, so good, in 1995. But NOW, that information is unavailable. But that's not the only thing: So far, we can only find comments mentioning AP as early as November 1995. And yet, many posts by "Jim Bell" are plentifully available, with the exception of my postings on the subject of AP. In other words, a rather selective omission, don't you think? And other people's comments on the same subject are missing, too. Curiouser and curiouser. And I get comments from you which don't actually acknowledge that a problem might exist: Merely criticism. As if you don't LIKE me noticing that at least hundreds of specific postings are mysteriously missing, Then, I notice below that you claim that I have "right-wing proto-fascist libertard politics". Oh, really? I think most people noticed, eventually, that when I wrote AP, I didn't insert a political point-of-view in it, From the standpoint of AP, it simply didn't matter WHY a person didn't like government, AP offered him a way to get rid of it. So, why are you now saying, "right-wing proto-fascist libertard politics"? Isn't that somewhat of a contradiction in terms? Maybe you ought to go back and edit your comment to make it at least internally consistent, and ideally even logical from some identifiable political POV. Now, I will throw you a bone here: Yes, at various times in the past, mostly long past, SOME people decided to claim that my AP essay was "right wing". (We are talking the mid-1995's, although later examples do exist.) This initially floored me, but I eventually figured it out: Evidently, they read AP, and presumably they noticed the complete lack of indications that it was written by a typical left-winger. It didn't SOUND "left-wing". It didn't hit any of the typical "left-wing-notes" that a usual leftist screed would do. Yet, AP was clearly hugely revolutionary. And since it wasn't "left-wing", and being revolutionary couldn't possibly be "centrist", the unimaginative people decided that the only point remaining on the 2-dimensional political spectrum they were aware of was "right-wing". So, they (the leftists) claimed that AP must have been "right wing"! What else could they say? However, I suspect that more than a few right-wingers were initially aghast by AP, as well: Their precious governments were going to be utterly destroyed! The control they carefully built up over decades would come crashing down, In 1995, I suspect that both the left and the right were equally upset at the AP idea. I think that history illuminates your comment about "right-wing proto-fascist libertard politics". Utter nonsense, as just about everybody else will see, if not admit. Jim Bell
On Friday, November 1, 2019, 09:48:02 AM PDT, Razer <g2s@riseup.net> wrote:
Your right-wing proto-fascist libertard politics have made you paranoid. See a psychologist you poor persecuted assassination fan.
Rr Sent from my Androgyne dee-vice with K-9 Mail
On October 31, 2019 10:13:46 PM PDT, jim bell <jdb10987@yahoo.com> wrote: I have just discovered a startling omission in your Cypherpunks archive. A HUGE number of postings on the subject of AP, my assassination politics essay, which I began posting maybe about April/May 1995 are simply not there. And, in fact, postings on the subject of AP at least until early November 1995 seem to be missing. And perhaps after November 1995. I don't know what other classes of emails may also be missing, but I think it will be very important to find out this information. I looked at the archive because I wanted to determine the earliest that the subject of "Assassination Politics" appeared on the Cypherpunks list. It might have been April 1995.Note: as weird as it may sound, there are reasons that this material might have been tampered with, but I don't know what time the tampering occurred. We are discussing this on the Cypherpunks list. I assume you will want to participate. Jim Bell
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I think you totally misunderstand my point...or you are intentionally 'misunderstanding' it. See my recent comment. It's all still 'there', somewhere, it just isn't easily acquirable. I never claimed it should be easily acquirable, in all cases. At least not data from the 1995 time frame. But, the fact that some of it seems to be lost, NOW, does not mean that fraud didn't occur, in the past, YOU want to use the excuse that "eventually, some things will be lost" to confuse us into not looking for evidence of that fraud, in the past. You are obviously one of those people who is resisting the idea of uncovering this seemingly-lost data. What's the old saying, "It's not the crime, it's the cover-up!" https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2019-09-26/your-lawless-president-mafi... and probably hundreds more google-search references. Jim Bell I will repeat part of it below, for the clueless ones: "I think I should add a comment. It should go without saying that virtually all the information which should be in the CP archive exists, somewhere, on the face of the Earth. Perhaps it is in stacks of 1.44 megabyte floppies rubber-banded together, in cardboard boxes, long-retired 500-megabyte hard drives, all in closets, shelves, basements, and attics of the world. Maybe even in QIC-40 backup tapes. The problem is that it is not easily acquirable, 2 decades + later. So, we should not take the eventual fact that this information trickles back as any indication that "no fraud has occurred". Some innocent loss could have occurred, sure, but I think we will be able to identify the difference. The person(s) who has attempted to defraud the CP archive did not intend that they could completely eliminate this information. They knew that probably thousands of copies of the truth would remain, hard to get, around the world. Instead, they seem to have been wildly successful at generating a phony set of data, leaving at least dozens or hundreds of supposedly-intelligent people in the dark. And so far, the only reason that this fraud has been detected is because I sought a simple, single-piece of information from what should have been in that archive: The date (and posting) of the very first appearance of the AP essay, Part 1, on the CP list. A virtually trivial request. And the archive came up empty. On Friday, November 1, 2019, 03:11:27 PM PDT, Razer <g2s@riseup.net> wrote: DUDE! I was just viewing posts I put on a yahoo hosted blog in 2005 via wayback machine and most of the links are dead. 1995 is fucking well prehistoric... Sorry you believe everything on the internet is permanent... Wayback found nothing on your mail list earlier than anyone else here, the stuff is simply GONE. Get over it. Even Cloud storage goes byebye sometimes. No one is guaranteeing shit. The internet comes with a Taillight Warranty. Rr Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. On November 1, 2019 11:28:24 AM PDT, jim bell <jdb10987@yahoo.com> wrote: How can I tell? I looked for a VERY specific thing: The date that Part 1 of my AP essay appeared on the CP list, copied by somebody I don't recall from the Digitaliberty list (Bill Frezza) where I had originally posted it. Apparently that person thought it was appropriate for CP, and copied it. So far, so good, in 1995. But NOW, that information is unavailable. But that's not the only thing: So far, we can only find comments mentioning AP as early as November 1995. And yet, many posts by "Jim Bell" are plentifully available, with the exception of my postings on the subject of AP. In other words, a rather selective omission, don't you think? And other people's comments on the same subject are missing, too. Curiouser and curiouser. And I get comments from you which don't actually acknowledge that a problem might exist: Merely criticism. As if you don't LIKE me noticing that at least hundreds of specific postings are mysteriously missing, Then, I notice below that you claim that I have "right-wing proto-fascist libertard politics". Oh, really? I think most people noticed, eventually, that when I wrote AP, I didn't insert a political point-of-view in it, From the standpoint of AP, it simply didn't matter WHY a person didn't like government, AP offered him a way to get rid of it. So, why are you now saying, "right-wing proto-fascist libertard politics"? Isn't that somewhat of a contradiction in terms? Maybe you ought to go back and edit your comment to make it at least internally consistent, and ideally even logical from some identifiable political POV. Now, I will throw you a bone here: Yes, at various times in the past, mostly long past, SOME people decided to claim that my AP essay was "right wing". (We are talking the mid-1995's, although later examples do exist.) This initially floored me, but I eventually figured it out: Evidently, they read AP, and presumably they noticed the complete lack of indications that it was written by a typical left-winger. It didn't SOUND "left-wing". It didn't hit any of the typical "left-wing-notes" that a usual leftist screed would do. Yet, AP was clearly hugely revolutionary. And since it wasn't "left-wing", and being revolutionary couldn't possibly be "centrist", the unimaginative people decided that the only point remaining on the 2-dimensional political spectrum they were aware of was "right-wing". So, they (the leftists) claimed that AP must have been "right wing"! What else could they say? However, I suspect that more than a few right-wingers were initially aghast by AP, as well: Their precious governments were going to be utterly destroyed! The control they carefully built up over decades would come crashing down, In 1995, I suspect that both the left and the right were equally upset at the AP idea. I think that history illuminates your comment about "right-wing proto-fascist libertard politics". Utter nonsense, as just about everybody else will see, if not admit. Jim Bell On Friday, November 1, 2019, 09:48:02 AM PDT, Razer <g2s@riseup.net> wrote: Your right-wing proto-fascist libertard politics have made you paranoid. See a psychologist you poor persecuted assassination fan. Rr Sent from my Androgyne dee-vice with K-9 Mail On October 31, 2019 10:13:46 PM PDT, jim bell <jdb10987@yahoo.com> wrote: I have just discovered a startling omission in your Cypherpunks archive. A HUGE number of postings on the subject of AP, my assassination politics essay, which I began posting maybe about April/May 1995 are simply not there. And, in fact, postings on the subject of AP at least until early November 1995 seem to be missing. And perhaps after November 1995. I don't know what other classes of emails may also be missing, but I think it will be very important to find out this information. I looked at the archive because I wanted to determine the earliest that the subject of "Assassination Politics" appeared on the Cypherpunks list. It might have been April 1995.Note: as weird as it may sound, there are reasons that this material might have been tampered with, but I don't know what time the tampering occurred. We are discussing this on the Cypherpunks list. I assume you will want to participate. Jim Bell --
On November 1, 2019 3:24:26 PM PDT, jim bell <jdb10987@yahoo.com> wrote:
I think you totally misunderstand my point...or you are intentionally 'misunderstanding' it. See my recent comment. It's all still 'there', somewhere, it just isn't easily acquirable. I never claimed it should be easily acquirable, in all cases. At least not data from the 1995 time frame. But, the fact that some of it seems to be lost, NOW, does not mean that fraud didn't occur, in the past, YOU want to use the excuse that "eventually, some things will be lost" to confuse us into not looking for evidence of that fraud, in the past. You are obviously one of those people who is resisting the idea of uncovering this seemingly-lost data. What's the old saying, "It's not the crime, it's the cover-up!" https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2019-09-26/your-lawless-president-mafi... and probably hundreds more google-search references.
Jim Bell
Have you ever considered the server was destroyed, stolen and turned into components for black market sale all data wiped or a thousand other possibilities? Or is that too simple? Maybe it was used IN an assassination by being dropped from a 6th floor window on a cheating lover? MAYBE the server's owner murdered their Ex by doing the above? But I jest (snigger, or perhaps not...) I'm not following why you believe the data is actually still existent. Rr Sent from my Androgyne dee-vice with K-9 Mail
On Fri, 01 Nov 2019 19:20:07 -0700 Razer <g2s@riseup.net> wrote:
Have you ever considered the server was destroyed, stolen and turned into components for black market sale all data wiped or a thousand other possibilities?
Or is that too simple?
if the 'server was destroyed' then there would be a hole in the archives, with all messages for a given period missing. Not just some particular messages. If Jim says he joined in july 1995, but all his messages from july to november are missing while ALL THE REST of messages from other people are there, then the problem is not the 'server', you worthless fucktard. Then again, we can't expect much intelligence from a US military propaganda bot like you.
On Friday, November 1, 2019, 07:40:58 PM PDT, Punk - Stasi 2.0 <punks@tfwno.gf> wrote: On Fri, 01 Nov 2019 19:20:07 -0700 Razer <g2s@riseup.net> wrote:
Have you ever considered the server was destroyed, stolen and turned into components for black market sale all data wiped or a thousand other possibilities?
Or is that too simple?
> if the 'server was destroyed' then there would be a hole in the archives, with all messages for a given period missing. Not just some particular messages. If Jim says he joined in july 1995, but all his messages from july to november are missing while ALL THE REST of messages from other people are there, then the problem is not the 'server', you worthless fucktard. Then again, we can't expect much intelligence from a US military propaganda bot like you. For the record, I think I joined the CP list well before July 1995. It might have been March, 1995, or perhaps even late February 1995. Two days ago, I wasn't aware that getting the exact date was going to be such an ordeal. Nevertheless, I am truly overjoyed that I am now able to help uncover a major mystery. The people currently handling the CP archives may have noticed a mysterious lack of data in the 1995 records, but due to their limited (or zero) recollection presumably they didn't associate that with something they hadn't noticed was 'missing': AP's Part 1 initial appearance, mine as well, and the intense discussion that followed for months. Like I said, a major mystery. What fun. Jim Bell
On November 1, 2019 7:40:29 PM PDT, "Punk - Stasi 2.0" <punks@tfwno.gf> wrote:
On Fri, 01 Nov 2019 19:20:07 -0700 Razer <g2s@riseup.net> wrote:
Have you ever considered the server was destroyed, stolen and turned into components for black market sale all data wiped or a thousand other possibilities?
Or is that too simple?
if the 'server was destroyed' then there would be a hole in the archives, with all messages for a given period missing. Not just some particular messages. If Jim says he joined in july 1995, but all his messages from july to november are missing while ALL THE REST of messages from other people are there, then the problem is not the 'server', you worthless fucktard. Then again, we can't expect much intelligence from a US military propaganda bot like you.
The whole archive is missing for those periods. The fact that some of the individual emails survived on some other server doesn't mean shit. To the best of my understanding of Jim's gibberish, and by my own searches, the archives for those time periods simply don't exist. That would indicated the server simply was made scrap metal without a thought to posterity. Rr Sent from my Androgyne dee-vice with K-9 Mail
On Saturday, November 2, 2019, 10:48:59 AM PDT, Razer <g2s@riseup.net> wrote: On November 1, 2019 7:40:29 PM PDT, "Punk - Stasi 2.0" <punks@tfwno.gf> wrote: On Fri, 01 Nov 2019 19:20:07 -0700 Razer <g2s@riseup.net> wrote: Have you ever considered the server was destroyed, stolen and turned into components for black market sale all data wiped or a thousand other possibilities? Or is that too simple? if the 'server was destroyed' then there would be a hole in the archives, with all messages for a given period missing. Not just some particular messages. If Jim says he joined in july 1995, but all his messages from july to november are missing while ALL THE REST of messages from other people are there, then the problem is not the 'server', you worthless fucktard. Then again, we can't expect much intelligence from a US military propaganda bot like you.
The whole archive is missing for those periods.
No, it isn't, IDIOT! Yes, there are two major time periods between about March and July 1995 which were apparently during periods in which most if not nearly all of the discussion was probably on AP. I remember! I WAS VERY BUSY during this, answering clueless comments such as yours today! I just explained to Tom Busby (who, oddly, still hasn't replied...) that if the tamperer's tactic was to remove any thread or message that might have included reference to AP, the number of NON-AP-subject postings would probably have dropped to near-zero, as it apparently had,. Given that reality, it would have seemed more 'logical' for him to simply erase the very few remaining messages during those time frames, simulating a 'total loss', rather than allowing a few valid messages to remain. (Somebody still needs to graph the number of postings made during each month, or week, or day, during say February-August 1995. It will show how much the discussion of AP 'crowded out' other commentary. You still ignore the fact that there were probably hundreds of subscribers to CP during that time, any one of whom could have the entire 1995 archive (at least, in the form of email messages, otherwise unprocessed). Which we will eventually find. And then we will further document the precise pattern in which emails were deliberately deleted. Naturally, when that happens you'll concoct an excuse.
The fact that some of the individual emails survived on some other server doesn't mean shit.
Precisely as I claim! The problem is that you cannot explain why _all_ the messages were lost, of the ones that were lost! You cannot explain why the string "Jim Bell" doesn't appear until November 1995, nor the string "AP", (it its meaning "Assassination Politics", until Nov I995). Yet, the archive ISN'T entirely missing during the period of, say, July 1995 through October 1995. And 'AP', under OTHER meanings, nevertheless still appears in the archive. So, your two 'missing periods' clearly are vastly unsufficient to explain these undeniable selective omissions. You are not entitled to focus on two periods which, hypothetically, and only because you CLAIM it (you are guessing), might have resulted from an 'innocent' loss of data, and selectively ignore other periods where it is now truly obvious were tampered with. I don't exclude the possibility of SOME loss of data in 'innocent ways'. YOU, however completely ignore the evidence for loss of data in 'guilty' ways. Who is being more 'logical', here? Certainly not you! I, instead, have an excellent explanation, one that can be tested with further study, to whatever extent anyone today is unsatisfied with the evidence I'm uncovered and shown in the last few days. I've suggested a few ideas: Start by graphing the number of (remaining) postings, say from February to August 1995. If the archive data was simply 'lost' during some days, then the number of postings per day would drop from "normal" level to "nothing" almost instantly. And those figures return back to 'normal' levels just as rapidly. But if I'm right, the AP threads will have 'crowded out' the other postings, so there will be relatively gradual reductions, which would not be explained merely because a hard disk crashed, or was lost, or a floppy was mislaid, etc. Give it up! You are just destroying whatever tiny sliver of credibility that I sadly doubt you still possess! In fact, you are a 'reverse barometer'. Jim Bell
On Sat, 02 Nov 2019 10:48:41 -0700 Razer <g2s@riseup.net> wrote:
On November 1, 2019 7:40:29 PM PDT, "Punk - Stasi 2.0" <punks@tfwno.gf> wrote:
On Fri, 01 Nov 2019 19:20:07 -0700 Razer <g2s@riseup.net> wrote:
Have you ever considered the server was destroyed, stolen and turned into components for black market sale all data wiped or a thousand other possibilities?
Or is that too simple?
if the 'server was destroyed' then there would be a hole in the archives, with all messages for a given period missing. Not just some particular messages. If Jim says he joined in july 1995, but all his messages from july to november are missing while ALL THE REST of messages from other people are there, then the problem is not the 'server', you worthless fucktard. Then again, we can't expect much intelligence from a US military propaganda bot like you.
The whole archive is missing for those periods.
dude - there are more than 10,000 messages between feb 1995 and december 1995 in the archive* - What - the fuck - are you talking about. *that's the archive provided by US MILITARY CONTRACTOR ryan lackey.
On November 2, 2019 7:55:13 PM PDT, "Plonk" wrote:
dude - there are more than 10,000 messages between feb 1995 and december 1995 in the archive* - What - the fuck - are you talking about.
*that's the archive provided by US MILITARY CONTRACTOR ryan lackey.
So someone expunged them to make room for cupcake recipes. The internet comes with a taillight warranty. Tough fucking darts. If something is REALLY valuable keep your own fucking backup. Rr Sent from my Androgyne dee-vice with K-9 Mail
On Sat, 02 Nov 2019 20:16:26 -0700 Razer <g2s@riseup.net> wrote:
On November 2, 2019 7:55:13 PM PDT, "Plonk" wrote:
dude - there are more than 10,000 messages between feb 1995 and december 1995 in the archive* - What - the fuck - are you talking about.
*that's the archive provided by US MILITARY CONTRACTOR ryan lackey.
So someone expunged them to make room for cupcake recipes. The internet comes with a taillight warranty. Tough fucking darts. If something is REALLY valuable keep your own fucking backup.
are you acknowledging the fact that, contrary to what you said, there are 10,000 messages from that period? let us know when you acknowledge the fact that your comments are fully detached from reality.
Ok, I counted messages per day for jan-->dec 1995, and there is a continous hole which I first overlooked. Indeed 4 (almost) complete months are missing : march, april, may and june. From ~July 10 to the end of the year it seems fairly complete though. The messages are not perfectly ordered date-wise either. As a matter of fact the file for the year 95 also contains messages from 1996, 97, 99 (like this Date: Tue Sep 07 12:48:45 1999) and possibly more. I wrongly assumed that the 10,000 messages I first counter from february to december were evenly distributed but they are not. Still, there are virtually no references to Jim, AP and the like during July, August, September, October, November and December and those months are complete. day message count 1 Jan 95 17 2 Jan 95 25 3 Jan 95 68 4 Jan 95 57 5 Jan 95 47 6 Jan 95 95 7 Jan 95 70 8 Jan 95 19 9 Jan 95 58 12 Jan 95 83 10 Jan 95 56 11 Jan 95 65 13 Jan 95 51 14 Jan 95 19 15 Jan 95 39 16 Jan 95 39 17 Jan 95 50 18 Jan 95 63 19 Jan 95 62 20 Jan 95 77 21 Jan 95 45 22 Jan 95 45 23 Jan 95 45 24 Jan 95 41 25 Jan 95 51 26 Jan 95 67 27 Jan 95 55 29 Jan 95 54 28 Jan 95 36 30 Jan 95 43 31 Jan 95 57 1 Feb 95 48 2 Feb 95 40 3 Feb 95 31 4 Feb 95 22 5 Feb 95 44 6 Feb 95 60 7 Feb 95 65 8 Feb 95 97 9 Feb 95 69 10 Feb 95 71 11 Feb 95 28 12 Feb 95 42 13 Feb 95 72 14 Feb 95 1 11 May 95 1 16 May 95 1 11 Jul 95 29 12 Jul 95 97 13 Jul 95 150 14 Jul 95 64 15 Jul 95 36 16 Jul 95 30 18 Jul 95 62 17 Jul 95 71 19 Jul 95 53 20 Jul 95 70 21 Jul 95 84 22 Jul 95 33 21 Aug 95 61 23 Jul 95 32 24 Jul 95 42 25 Jul 95 32 26 Jul 95 47 27 Jul 95 47 28 Jul 95 56 29 Jul 95 43 30 Jul 95 31 31 Jul 95 88 1 Aug 95 80 2 Aug 95 39 3 Aug 95 67 4 Aug 95 47 5 Aug 95 12 6 Aug 95 15 7 Aug 95 52 8 Aug 95 34 9 Aug 95 49 10 Aug 95 78 11 Aug 95 64 12 Aug 95 34 14 Aug 95 42 13 Aug 95 15 15 Aug 95 32 16 Aug 95 50 17 Aug 95 92 18 Aug 95 82 19 Aug 95 43 28 Aug 95 46 20 Aug 95 43 22 Aug 95 35 23 Aug 95 77 24 Aug 95 88 25 Aug 95 65 26 Aug 95 36 27 Aug 95 39 29 Aug 95 60 20 Sep 95 194 30 Aug 95 44 31 Aug 95 50 1 Sep 95 58 2 Sep 95 28 3 Sep 95 66 4 Sep 95 64 5 Sep 95 74 6 Sep 95 92 7 Sep 95 96 8 Sep 95 71 9 Sep 95 33 10 Sep 95 48 11 Sep 95 42 12 Sep 95 79 13 Sep 95 79 14 Sep 95 79 15 Sep 95 82 19 Sep 95 133 16 Sep 95 70 17 Sep 95 53 18 Sep 95 91 23 Sep 95 44 21 Sep 95 108 30 Sep 95 54 22 Sep 95 116 24 Sep 95 50 25 Sep 95 68 26 Sep 95 103 27 Sep 95 90 28 Sep 95 65 29 Sep 95 64 1 Oct 95 50 2 Oct 95 79 3 Oct 95 60 4 Oct 95 56 5 Oct 95 72 6 Oct 95 65 7 Oct 95 26 9 Oct 95 120 8 Oct 95 57 10 Oct 95 83 11 Oct 95 106 12 Oct 95 94 13 Oct 95 73 14 Oct 95 43 15 Oct 95 73 16 Oct 95 48 17 Oct 95 49 18 Oct 95 101 19 Oct 95 79 20 Oct 95 45 21 Oct 95 35 23 Oct 95 77 22 Oct 95 53 24 Oct 95 125 25 Oct 95 98 26 Oct 95 23 27 Oct 95 71 28 Oct 95 35 29 Oct 95 23 30 Oct 95 24 31 Oct 95 60 1 Nov 95 77 2 Nov 95 48 3 Nov 95 73 4 Nov 95 57 5 Nov 95 81 6 Nov 95 49 7 Nov 95 77 8 Nov 95 46 9 Nov 95 64 10 Nov 95 51 11 Nov 95 40 12 Nov 95 3 13 Nov 95 48 14 Nov 95 69 15 Nov 95 69 16 Nov 95 57 17 Nov 95 66 18 Nov 95 50 19 Nov 95 43 20 Nov 95 25 21 Nov 95 57 22 Nov 95 67 23 Nov 95 53 24 Nov 95 39 25 Nov 95 31 26 Nov 95 35 27 Nov 95 34 28 Nov 95 68 29 Nov 95 68 30 Nov 95 117 1 Dec 95 115 2 Dec 95 98 3 Dec 95 85 4 Dec 95 2 8 Dec 95 1 12 Dec 95 65 11 Dec 95 7 13 Dec 95 77 14 Dec 95 52 15 Dec 95 19 16 Dec 95 54 17 Dec 95 24 18 Dec 95 45 19 Dec 95 44 20 Dec 95 8 22 Dec 95 11 23 Dec 95 45 24 Dec 95 40 25 Dec 95 29 26 Dec 95 30 27 Dec 95 19 28 Dec 95 66 29 Dec 95 54
Excellent! You are very persistent! NOW we have a much-better picture of what we are dealing with. Things appear "normal" until February 14. Valentines Day. 1995. A reminder: The government agent Daniel J Saban bought the house next door, 7302 Corregidor, from schoolteacher John Hauer, official date of sale March 1, 1995. Hauer was given a job at the Pacific Northwest National Laboratories. https://web.ornl.gov/info/news/pulse/archive_issues/pulse_v152_04.htm I just attempted to find a reference to John Hauer on LinkedIn. A few days ago, I had no trouble doing that. (He appeared to be qualified to be hired at PNNL, BTW.) But now, I cannot find his listing. I'll try again tomorrow. He has probably been informed that I am investigating him and his history, and has or will shortly delete his listing. I wonder if the Internet's Wayback Machine scrapes LinkedIn. I should say, however, that I hold no ill-will against Mr. Hauer, nor did I at any point in the past. I was, and remain, quite confident that he was simply an innocent owner of a house that the Feds happened to want to buy, in order to be able to spy on me. The Feds couldn't just offer him a local job in Vancouver or Portland, because then he wouldn't have had to move. Offering him the PNNL job in West Richland, Washington, made it necessary for him to move. And quite conveniently, somebody bought the house. Daniel J. Saban ran, and runs, Sundown Development Construction, a small construction and remodeling firm. He has now put his house at 7302 Corregidor on the market, although that has been true for awhile, and I don't read anything into his timing. Curiously, for what I recall during the period of about April 1995 for perhaps a year later, that address (7302 Corregidor) was seemingly not occupied. In fact, it was greatly remodeled, and a second floor was added. Eventually, it became occupied. The Feds worked fast! All because of Part 1 of my AP essay. https://cryptome.org/ap.htm The problem for them is that their story eventually became that my attendance (3 times, as I recalled years ago) at the Multnomah County Common Law Court made me worthy of their suspicions. Probably beginning about October 1996 or so. So they'd been spying on me for 20 months by that time. In reality, I had little interest in a "Common Law Court". Rather, I strongly suspected that such an organization would almost automatically be infiltrated by the Feds, which was in fact what happened. Steven Walsh, acting under the name "Steve Wilson" began to involve himself in MCCLC (Multnomah County Common Law Court), presumably well before I first showed up. He was one of three people, perhaps (it's been 22-23 years ago) I decided, probably October 1996, to attend MCCLC, solely for the purpose of "finding the Fed". Call it a hobby, I suppose. In late January 1997, he had to run. (or, perhaps more accurately, he didn't bother to show up again one day.) Here's one reason his involvment was clearly not just 'innocent': Later, the Feds claimed (correctly) that the MCCLC eventually put on a trial at a Portland Motel (in their common area), charging numerous prominent government employees with various crimes. I attended that meeting, for a short time merely as an attendee as I recall. (As I vaguely recall, I had to leave, some innocent scheduling requirement, but after all this time I dont' remember why.) I assume "Steve Wilson" was also helping run the trial., but again, I think I was just an attendee. Chances are good that it was actually "Wilson" himself who arranged to have those government employees "charged" and "tried". I think the punishment would have been "death", but I wasn't still there by that time any verdict came in, I don't think. The interesting thing is that "Wilson" himself was the one, I believe, who arranged that "trial", and possibly selected the "punishment". So, later when the Government severely criticized the MCCLC's actions, but nevertheless nobody was charged, nobody but the Feds (and ME) knew that THEIR GUY had done precisely the thing they cited as being so awful. I eventually learned that this kind of infiltrate-and-corrupt tactic is actually rather common. Look for "COINTELPRO", a government operation attacking and disrupting both the anti-Vietnam, for early examples. I should also mention that during the late 1980's, perhaps continuing into the 1990's, the Portland Police Bureau was involved in a public scandal for their treatment of local 'political' and 'civil rights' organizations. They had, as I think the public revelations went, a policy towards justifying investigating people. 1 The attendance of a 'suspicious' person at an open public meeting meant that they decided that they could call the entire organization 'suspicious'. 2 The attendance of an ordinary person at a meeting of a "suspicious" organization meant that that person also became "suspicious". Like a weird viral infection, this policy meant that soon, virtually every meeting-attendee in the Portland area soon became "suspicious", and could be surveilled, tailed, and presumably harassed. I don't know the time frame of the PPB scandal, or whether it was likely to be involved in the following: At least one meeting at the MCCLC, probably the first one I attended, was at "Stark Street Pizza" in about October 1996. I later learned that people who were leaving those meetings at that location got 'tailed' and stopped by the police, who were waiting to do so. That raised the question about how the PPB knew which people exiting the meeting should be followed and stopped, a question I never heard the answer to Many other people, having nothing to do with the MCCLC meeting (in its own room), merely came to eat pizza, and ate in different areas of the restaurant, and left by a common door. There was also another early 1990's Portland Police Bureau scandal: The ADL (Anti Defamation League was caught using the PPB as a source of official investigatory information. Hard to find, but see: https://whosarat.websitetoolbox.com/post/snitch-culture-how-citizens-are-tur... "The ADL Spy Scandal". Again, I don't know if that had anything to do with the MCCLC story, but it helps to illustrate how local Portland politics rolls. You might google-search "ADL Spy Scandal", one result is: https://www.nytimes.com/1993/10/24/us/anti-defamation-league-accused-of-spyi... Another is: https://psmag.com/news/kings-garbage-76228 I love a mystery. Jim Bell On Saturday, November 2, 2019, 11:21:40 PM PDT, Punk - Stasi 2.0 <punks@tfwno.gf> wrote: Ok, I counted messages per day for jan-->dec 1995, and there is a continous hole which I first overlooked. Indeed 4 (almost) complete months are missing : march, april, may and june. From ~July 10 to the end of the year it seems fairly complete though. The messages are not perfectly ordered date-wise either. As a matter of fact the file for the year 95 also contains messages from 1996, 97, 99 (like this Date: Tue Sep 07 12:48:45 1999) and possibly more. I wrongly assumed that the 10,000 messages I first counter from february to december were evenly distributed but they are not. Still, there are virtually no references to Jim, AP and the like during July, August, September, October, November and December and those months are complete. day message count 1 Jan 95 17 2 Jan 95 25 3 Jan 95 68 4 Jan 95 57 5 Jan 95 47 6 Jan 95 95 7 Jan 95 70 8 Jan 95 19 9 Jan 95 58 12 Jan 95 83 10 Jan 95 56 11 Jan 95 65 13 Jan 95 51 14 Jan 95 19 15 Jan 95 39 16 Jan 95 39 17 Jan 95 50 18 Jan 95 63 19 Jan 95 62 20 Jan 95 77 21 Jan 95 45 22 Jan 95 45 23 Jan 95 45 24 Jan 95 41 25 Jan 95 51 26 Jan 95 67 27 Jan 95 55 29 Jan 95 54 28 Jan 95 36 30 Jan 95 43 31 Jan 95 57 1 Feb 95 48 2 Feb 95 40 3 Feb 95 31 4 Feb 95 22 5 Feb 95 44 6 Feb 95 60 7 Feb 95 65 8 Feb 95 97 9 Feb 95 69 10 Feb 95 71 11 Feb 95 28 12 Feb 95 42 13 Feb 95 72 14 Feb 95 1 11 May 95 1 16 May 95 1 11 Jul 95 29 12 Jul 95 97 13 Jul 95 150 14 Jul 95 64 15 Jul 95 36 16 Jul 95 30 18 Jul 95 62 17 Jul 95 71 19 Jul 95 53 20 Jul 95 70 21 Jul 95 84 22 Jul 95 33 21 Aug 95 61 23 Jul 95 32 24 Jul 95 42 25 Jul 95 32 26 Jul 95 47 27 Jul 95 47 28 Jul 95 56 29 Jul 95 43 30 Jul 95 31 31 Jul 95 88 1 Aug 95 80 2 Aug 95 39 3 Aug 95 67 4 Aug 95 47 5 Aug 95 12 6 Aug 95 15 7 Aug 95 52 8 Aug 95 34 9 Aug 95 49 10 Aug 95 78 11 Aug 95 64 12 Aug 95 34 14 Aug 95 42 13 Aug 95 15 15 Aug 95 32 16 Aug 95 50 17 Aug 95 92 18 Aug 95 82 19 Aug 95 43 28 Aug 95 46 20 Aug 95 43 22 Aug 95 35 23 Aug 95 77 24 Aug 95 88 25 Aug 95 65 26 Aug 95 36 27 Aug 95 39 29 Aug 95 60 20 Sep 95 194 30 Aug 95 44 31 Aug 95 50 1 Sep 95 58 2 Sep 95 28 3 Sep 95 66 4 Sep 95 64 5 Sep 95 74 6 Sep 95 92 7 Sep 95 96 8 Sep 95 71 9 Sep 95 33 10 Sep 95 48 11 Sep 95 42 12 Sep 95 79 13 Sep 95 79 14 Sep 95 79 15 Sep 95 82 19 Sep 95 133 16 Sep 95 70 17 Sep 95 53 18 Sep 95 91 23 Sep 95 44 21 Sep 95 108 30 Sep 95 54 22 Sep 95 116 24 Sep 95 50 25 Sep 95 68 26 Sep 95 103 27 Sep 95 90 28 Sep 95 65 29 Sep 95 64 1 Oct 95 50 2 Oct 95 79 3 Oct 95 60 4 Oct 95 56 5 Oct 95 72 6 Oct 95 65 7 Oct 95 26 9 Oct 95 120 8 Oct 95 57 10 Oct 95 83 11 Oct 95 106 12 Oct 95 94 13 Oct 95 73 14 Oct 95 43 15 Oct 95 73 16 Oct 95 48 17 Oct 95 49 18 Oct 95 101 19 Oct 95 79 20 Oct 95 45 21 Oct 95 35 23 Oct 95 77 22 Oct 95 53 24 Oct 95 125 25 Oct 95 98 26 Oct 95 23 27 Oct 95 71 28 Oct 95 35 29 Oct 95 23 30 Oct 95 24 31 Oct 95 60 1 Nov 95 77 2 Nov 95 48 3 Nov 95 73 4 Nov 95 57 5 Nov 95 81 6 Nov 95 49 7 Nov 95 77 8 Nov 95 46 9 Nov 95 64 10 Nov 95 51 11 Nov 95 40 12 Nov 95 3 13 Nov 95 48 14 Nov 95 69 15 Nov 95 69 16 Nov 95 57 17 Nov 95 66 18 Nov 95 50 19 Nov 95 43 20 Nov 95 25 21 Nov 95 57 22 Nov 95 67 23 Nov 95 53 24 Nov 95 39 25 Nov 95 31 26 Nov 95 35 27 Nov 95 34 28 Nov 95 68 29 Nov 95 68 30 Nov 95 117 1 Dec 95 115 2 Dec 95 98 3 Dec 95 85 4 Dec 95 2 8 Dec 95 1 12 Dec 95 65 11 Dec 95 7 13 Dec 95 77 14 Dec 95 52 15 Dec 95 19 16 Dec 95 54 17 Dec 95 24 18 Dec 95 45 19 Dec 95 44 20 Dec 95 8 22 Dec 95 11 23 Dec 95 45 24 Dec 95 40 25 Dec 95 29 26 Dec 95 30 27 Dec 95 19 28 Dec 95 66 29 Dec 95 54 | | Virus-free. www.avast.com |
To John Gilmore, You expressed an idea that you didn't see a problem with YOUR copy of the CP archive. Well, it isn't clear whether YOUR copy is identical to the one currently maintained by Tom Busby. Below, is a list of dates, and the number of CP postings on each date. You can easily see that each day up to and including Feb 13, 1995, there are many tens of emails posted on CP. On February 14, there is only a single posting. The next postings are one each on May 11 and May 16, 1995. After that, the next posting is on July 11, 1995. And there are yet again many tens of postings each day from July 11 to December 31, 1995. Except, I guess, for a few days in December, 1995. So, for a period about 3 days short of 6 months, there were only two (2) messages posted. Tell me, is there a vast, 6-month hole in YOUR archive as well? Like, everybody on the CP list just went to sleep for a while, like in the British movie "Village of the Damned"? I'm thinking of the 1960 version. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AUBlW5EWnI Anyway, I think you will now agree that if this is a "conspiracy theory", it's a pretty damned GOOD conspiracy theory! So, what explains those missing 6-months-minus-3-days of emails? Jim Bell ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: Punk - Stasi 2.0 <punks@tfwno.gf>To: "cypherpunks@lists.cpunks.org" <cypherpunks@lists.cpunks.org>Sent: Saturday, November 2, 2019, 11:21:40 PM PDTSubject: Re: Your Cypherpunks archive Ok, I counted messages per day for jan-->dec 1995, and there is a continous hole which I first overlooked. Indeed 4 (almost) complete months are missing : march, april, may and june. From ~July 10 to the end of the year it seems fairly complete though. The messages are not perfectly ordered date-wise either. As a matter of fact the file for the year 95 also contains messages from 1996, 97, 99 (like this Date: Tue Sep 07 12:48:45 1999) and possibly more. I wrongly assumed that the 10,000 messages I first counter from february to december were evenly distributed but they are not. Still, there are virtually no references to Jim, AP and the like during July, August, September, October, November and December and those months are complete. day message count 1 Jan 95 17 2 Jan 95 25 3 Jan 95 68 4 Jan 95 57 5 Jan 95 47 6 Jan 95 95 7 Jan 95 70 8 Jan 95 19 9 Jan 95 58 12 Jan 95 83 10 Jan 95 56 11 Jan 95 65 13 Jan 95 51 14 Jan 95 19 15 Jan 95 39 16 Jan 95 39 17 Jan 95 50 18 Jan 95 63 19 Jan 95 62 20 Jan 95 77 21 Jan 95 45 22 Jan 95 45 23 Jan 95 45 24 Jan 95 41 25 Jan 95 51 26 Jan 95 67 27 Jan 95 55 29 Jan 95 54 28 Jan 95 36 30 Jan 95 43 31 Jan 95 57 1 Feb 95 48 2 Feb 95 40 3 Feb 95 31 4 Feb 95 22 5 Feb 95 44 6 Feb 95 60 7 Feb 95 65 8 Feb 95 97 9 Feb 95 69 10 Feb 95 71 11 Feb 95 28 12 Feb 95 42 13 Feb 95 72 14 Feb 95 1 11 May 95 1 16 May 95 1 11 Jul 95 29 12 Jul 95 97 13 Jul 95 150 14 Jul 95 64 15 Jul 95 36 16 Jul 95 30 18 Jul 95 62 17 Jul 95 71 19 Jul 95 53 20 Jul 95 70 21 Jul 95 84 22 Jul 95 33 21 Aug 95 61 23 Jul 95 32 24 Jul 95 42 25 Jul 95 32 26 Jul 95 47 27 Jul 95 47 28 Jul 95 56 29 Jul 95 43 30 Jul 95 31 31 Jul 95 88 1 Aug 95 80 2 Aug 95 39 3 Aug 95 67 4 Aug 95 47 5 Aug 95 12 6 Aug 95 15 7 Aug 95 52 8 Aug 95 34 9 Aug 95 49 10 Aug 95 78 11 Aug 95 64 12 Aug 95 34 14 Aug 95 42 13 Aug 95 15 15 Aug 95 32 16 Aug 95 50 17 Aug 95 92 18 Aug 95 82 19 Aug 95 43 28 Aug 95 46 20 Aug 95 43 22 Aug 95 35 23 Aug 95 77 24 Aug 95 88 25 Aug 95 65 26 Aug 95 36 27 Aug 95 39 29 Aug 95 60 20 Sep 95 194 30 Aug 95 44 31 Aug 95 50 1 Sep 95 58 2 Sep 95 28 3 Sep 95 66 4 Sep 95 64 5 Sep 95 74 6 Sep 95 92 7 Sep 95 96 8 Sep 95 71 9 Sep 95 33 10 Sep 95 48 11 Sep 95 42 12 Sep 95 79 13 Sep 95 79 14 Sep 95 79 15 Sep 95 82 19 Sep 95 133 16 Sep 95 70 17 Sep 95 53 18 Sep 95 91 23 Sep 95 44 21 Sep 95 108 30 Sep 95 54 22 Sep 95 116 24 Sep 95 50 25 Sep 95 68 26 Sep 95 103 27 Sep 95 90 28 Sep 95 65 29 Sep 95 64 1 Oct 95 50 2 Oct 95 79 3 Oct 95 60 4 Oct 95 56 5 Oct 95 72 6 Oct 95 65 7 Oct 95 26 9 Oct 95 120 8 Oct 95 57 10 Oct 95 83 11 Oct 95 106 12 Oct 95 94 13 Oct 95 73 14 Oct 95 43 15 Oct 95 73 16 Oct 95 48 17 Oct 95 49 18 Oct 95 101 19 Oct 95 79 20 Oct 95 45 21 Oct 95 35 23 Oct 95 77 22 Oct 95 53 24 Oct 95 125 25 Oct 95 98 26 Oct 95 23 27 Oct 95 71 28 Oct 95 35 29 Oct 95 23 30 Oct 95 24 31 Oct 95 60 1 Nov 95 77 2 Nov 95 48 3 Nov 95 73 4 Nov 95 57 5 Nov 95 81 6 Nov 95 49 7 Nov 95 77 8 Nov 95 46 9 Nov 95 64 10 Nov 95 51 11 Nov 95 40 12 Nov 95 3 13 Nov 95 48 14 Nov 95 69 15 Nov 95 69 16 Nov 95 57 17 Nov 95 66 18 Nov 95 50 19 Nov 95 43 20 Nov 95 25 21 Nov 95 57 22 Nov 95 67 23 Nov 95 53 24 Nov 95 39 25 Nov 95 31 26 Nov 95 35 27 Nov 95 34 28 Nov 95 68 29 Nov 95 68 30 Nov 95 117 1 Dec 95 115 2 Dec 95 98 3 Dec 95 85 4 Dec 95 2 8 Dec 95 1 12 Dec 95 65 11 Dec 95 7 13 Dec 95 77 14 Dec 95 52 15 Dec 95 19 16 Dec 95 54 17 Dec 95 24 18 Dec 95 45 19 Dec 95 44 20 Dec 95 8 22 Dec 95 11 23 Dec 95 45 24 Dec 95 40 25 Dec 95 29 26 Dec 95 30 27 Dec 95 19 28 Dec 95 66 29 Dec 95 54
John Gilmore hasn't responded to this. I think he should respond. It is unseemly for him to apparently lack concern that the Cypherpunks archive has been severely tampered with. I think he should strenuously object to such tampering, and he should demand that the person or persons responsible be exposed. Same for Tom Busby, who is now responsible for the archive. Same for Ryan Lackey. And Declan McCullagh, who should display interest into this whole sham, as well. They should also not merely willingly, but in fact enthusiastically, participate in this project. Jim Bell On Tuesday, December 10, 2019, 01:14:59 AM PST, jim bell <jdb10987@yahoo.com> wrote: To John Gilmore, You expressed an idea that you didn't see a problem with YOUR copy of the CP archive. Well, it isn't clear whether YOUR copy is identical to the one currently maintained by Tom Busby. Below, is a list of dates, and the number of CP postings on each date. You can easily see that each day up to and including Feb 13, 1995, there are many tens of emails posted on CP. On February 14, there is only a single posting. The next postings are one each on May 11 and May 16, 1995. After that, the next posting is on July 11, 1995. And there are yet again many tens of postings each day from July 11 to December 31, 1995. Except, I guess, for a few days in December, 1995. So, for a period about 3 days short of 6 months, there were only two (2) messages posted. Tell me, is there a vast, 6-month hole in YOUR archive as well? Like, everybody on the CP list just went to sleep for a while, like in the British movie "Village of the Damned"? I'm thinking of the 1960 version. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AUBlW5EWnI Anyway, I think you will now agree that if this is a "conspiracy theory", it's a pretty damned GOOD conspiracy theory! So, what explains those missing 6-months-minus-3-days of emails? Jim Bell ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: Punk - Stasi 2.0 <punks@tfwno.gf>To: "cypherpunks@lists.cpunks.org" <cypherpunks@lists.cpunks.org>Sent: Saturday, November 2, 2019, 11:21:40 PM PDTSubject: Re: Your Cypherpunks archive Ok, I counted messages per day for jan-->dec 1995, and there is a continous hole which I first overlooked. Indeed 4 (almost) complete months are missing : march, april, may and june. From ~July 10 to the end of the year it seems fairly complete though. The messages are not perfectly ordered date-wise either. As a matter of fact the file for the year 95 also contains messages from 1996, 97, 99 (like this Date: Tue Sep 07 12:48:45 1999) and possibly more. I wrongly assumed that the 10,000 messages I first counter from february to december were evenly distributed but they are not. Still, there are virtually no references to Jim, AP and the like during July, August, September, October, November and December and those months are complete. day message count 1 Jan 95 17 2 Jan 95 25 3 Jan 95 68 4 Jan 95 57 5 Jan 95 47 6 Jan 95 95 7 Jan 95 70 8 Jan 95 19 9 Jan 95 58 12 Jan 95 83 10 Jan 95 56 11 Jan 95 65 13 Jan 95 51 14 Jan 95 19 15 Jan 95 39 16 Jan 95 39 17 Jan 95 50 18 Jan 95 63 19 Jan 95 62 20 Jan 95 77 21 Jan 95 45 22 Jan 95 45 23 Jan 95 45 24 Jan 95 41 25 Jan 95 51 26 Jan 95 67 27 Jan 95 55 29 Jan 95 54 28 Jan 95 36 30 Jan 95 43 31 Jan 95 57 1 Feb 95 48 2 Feb 95 40 3 Feb 95 31 4 Feb 95 22 5 Feb 95 44 6 Feb 95 60 7 Feb 95 65 8 Feb 95 97 9 Feb 95 69 10 Feb 95 71 11 Feb 95 28 12 Feb 95 42 13 Feb 95 72 14 Feb 95 1 11 May 95 1 16 May 95 1 11 Jul 95 29 12 Jul 95 97 13 Jul 95 150 14 Jul 95 64 15 Jul 95 36 16 Jul 95 30 18 Jul 95 62 17 Jul 95 71 19 Jul 95 53 20 Jul 95 70 21 Jul 95 84 22 Jul 95 33 21 Aug 95 61 23 Jul 95 32 24 Jul 95 42 25 Jul 95 32 26 Jul 95 47 27 Jul 95 47 28 Jul 95 56 29 Jul 95 43 30 Jul 95 31 31 Jul 95 88 1 Aug 95 80 2 Aug 95 39 3 Aug 95 67 4 Aug 95 47 5 Aug 95 12 6 Aug 95 15 7 Aug 95 52 8 Aug 95 34 9 Aug 95 49 10 Aug 95 78 11 Aug 95 64 12 Aug 95 34 14 Aug 95 42 13 Aug 95 15 15 Aug 95 32 16 Aug 95 50 17 Aug 95 92 18 Aug 95 82 19 Aug 95 43 28 Aug 95 46 20 Aug 95 43 22 Aug 95 35 23 Aug 95 77 24 Aug 95 88 25 Aug 95 65 26 Aug 95 36 27 Aug 95 39 29 Aug 95 60 20 Sep 95 194 30 Aug 95 44 31 Aug 95 50 1 Sep 95 58 2 Sep 95 28 3 Sep 95 66 4 Sep 95 64 5 Sep 95 74 6 Sep 95 92 7 Sep 95 96 8 Sep 95 71 9 Sep 95 33 10 Sep 95 48 11 Sep 95 42 12 Sep 95 79 13 Sep 95 79 14 Sep 95 79 15 Sep 95 82 19 Sep 95 133 16 Sep 95 70 17 Sep 95 53 18 Sep 95 91 23 Sep 95 44 21 Sep 95 108 30 Sep 95 54 22 Sep 95 116 24 Sep 95 50 25 Sep 95 68 26 Sep 95 103 27 Sep 95 90 28 Sep 95 65 29 Sep 95 64 1 Oct 95 50 2 Oct 95 79 3 Oct 95 60 4 Oct 95 56 5 Oct 95 72 6 Oct 95 65 7 Oct 95 26 9 Oct 95 120 8 Oct 95 57 10 Oct 95 83 11 Oct 95 106 12 Oct 95 94 13 Oct 95 73 14 Oct 95 43 15 Oct 95 73 16 Oct 95 48 17 Oct 95 49 18 Oct 95 101 19 Oct 95 79 20 Oct 95 45 21 Oct 95 35 23 Oct 95 77 22 Oct 95 53 24 Oct 95 125 25 Oct 95 98 26 Oct 95 23 27 Oct 95 71 28 Oct 95 35 29 Oct 95 23 30 Oct 95 24 31 Oct 95 60 1 Nov 95 77 2 Nov 95 48 3 Nov 95 73 4 Nov 95 57 5 Nov 95 81 6 Nov 95 49 7 Nov 95 77 8 Nov 95 46 9 Nov 95 64 10 Nov 95 51 11 Nov 95 40 12 Nov 95 3 13 Nov 95 48 14 Nov 95 69 15 Nov 95 69 16 Nov 95 57 17 Nov 95 66 18 Nov 95 50 19 Nov 95 43 20 Nov 95 25 21 Nov 95 57 22 Nov 95 67 23 Nov 95 53 24 Nov 95 39 25 Nov 95 31 26 Nov 95 35 27 Nov 95 34 28 Nov 95 68 29 Nov 95 68 30 Nov 95 117 1 Dec 95 115 2 Dec 95 98 3 Dec 95 85 4 Dec 95 2 8 Dec 95 1 12 Dec 95 65 11 Dec 95 7 13 Dec 95 77 14 Dec 95 52 15 Dec 95 19 16 Dec 95 54 17 Dec 95 24 18 Dec 95 45 19 Dec 95 44 20 Dec 95 8 22 Dec 95 11 23 Dec 95 45 24 Dec 95 40 25 Dec 95 29 26 Dec 95 30 27 Dec 95 19 28 Dec 95 66 29 Dec 95 54
On Mon, 4 Nov 2019 00:49:22 +0000 (UTC) jim bell <jdb10987@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Sunday, November 3, 2019, 01:34:48 PM PST, Zenaan Harkness <zen@freedbms.net> wrote:
What I do when I'm unsure and want to check, is check the cp archives here:
view by date, and look at the most recent emails.
Unfortunately, your response is (un-?)intentionally hilarious. It wouldn't have been so a week ago, before I started exposing the most huge scandal of corruption tampering that Cypherpunks archives has ever seen, a massive fabrication of some of the CP archives,
But the current list server is not the same server from 25 years ago, and the archives are not the same archives. Zen is right this time. If you want to know if your post made it to the list see if you can find it here https://lists.cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/ Regarding the original archive, I was about to mention that if there were copies in floppy disks or even hard disks siting somewhere, they are probably useless by now, unless they've been regularly accessed or copied to new media somehow. Maybe a 20 years old HD would still work, but floppy disks won't. Anyway, I'm waiting for James Donald to make some comment on either the archive, or what he remembers from that time. Or maybe his contract with the US military doesn't allow him to comment on the subject.
My comments inline: On Sunday, November 3, 2019, 05:18:01 PM PST, Punk - Stasi 2.0 <punks@tfwno.gf> wrote: On Mon, 4 Nov 2019 00:49:22 +0000 (UTC) jim bell <jdb10987@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Sunday, November 3, 2019, 01:34:48 PM PST, Zenaan Harkness <zen@freedbms.net> wrote: >What I do when I'm unsure and want to check, is check the cp archives here:
view by date, and look at the most recent emails.
Unfortunately, your response is (un-?)intentionally hilarious. It wouldn't have been so a week ago, before I started exposing the most huge scandal of corruption tampering that Cypherpunks archives has ever seen, a massive fabrication of some of the CP archives,
But the current list server is not the same server from 25 years ago, and the archives are not the same archives. Zen is right this time. If you want to know if your post made it to the list see if you can find it here
Oh, yes, you are absolutely correct: Different data, different servers, 24 years apart. But remember, I was going for humor, which does not require a precise lineup of facts and arguments. The irony is that in the shadow of this enormous revelation of archive fraud, Zen proposes...going to the archive! Further, a big objection was that Zenaan didn't bother to tell me if HE had received a copy of yesterday morning's email, which Razer either stated (or, at least, strongly implied) that he had received it. What would have been more obvious but to say, "yes, I got that", or "no, I didn't get that".
The cypherpunks Archives
Regarding the original archive, I was about to mention that if there were copies in floppy disks or even hard disks siting somewhere, they are probably useless by now, unless they've been regularly accessed or copied to new media somehow. Maybe a 20 years old HD would still work, but floppy disks won't.
Somehow, I doubt that, as to floppies. After a bit of searching, I don't see much hard facts on the decay of floppies https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_preservation 10-20 years. However, even if the as-written magnetization slowly decays, I would expect that data recovery services have test-floppy-drives that are circuited to allow a controlling computer to electronically adjust the read-head amplification, allowing recovery of data of much-lower signal levels than are ordinarily seen. (as well as adjusting tracking...) Optical disks have different factors, but likewise I'd suppose that their dyes might fade, but nevertheless be readable if the characteristics of the reading drive could be adjusted. For all I know, optical drives may already have had such a feature included for decades, if the manufacturer knows that this fading is expected to occur. It would be expected to protect against variation in disk characteristics of the manufacturer's own product, or variations in competitors' disks.
Anyway, I'm waiting for James Donald to make some comment on either the archive, or what he remembers from that time. Or maybe his contract with the US military doesn't allow him to comment on the subject.
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On Saturday, November 2, 2019, 07:55:38 PM PDT, Punk - Stasi 2.0 <punks@tfwno.gf> wrote: On Sat, 02 Nov 2019 10:48:41 -0700 Razer <g2s@riseup.net> wrote:
On November 1, 2019 7:40:29 PM PDT, "Punk - Stasi 2.0" <punks@tfwno.gf> wrote:
On Fri, 01 Nov 2019 19:20:07 -0700 Razer <g2s@riseup.net> wrote:
Have you ever considered the server was destroyed, stolen and turned into components for black market sale all data wiped or a thousand other possibilities?
Or is that too simple?
if the 'server was destroyed' then there would be a hole in the archives, with all messages for a given period missing. Not just some particular messages. If Jim says he joined in july 1995, but all his messages from july to november are missing while ALL THE REST of messages from other people are there, then the problem is not the 'server', you worthless fucktard. Then again, we can't expect much intelligence from a US military propaganda bot like you.
The whole archive is missing for those periods.
dude - there are more than 10,000 messages between feb 1995 and december 1995 in the archive* - What - the fuck - are you talking about.
What we could use is a statistician, I think. Yes, Razer is rather wacky, isn't he. There is clearly a major sample of data still present in the existing archive, so there is plenty of bulk for someone to later do an analysis. 10,000 messages! Wow! But it isn't just a random sampling of the original messages that we assume were present. If it were, we'd see "jim bell", "jimbell@pacifier.com", "AP", and Assassination politics" present in large quantities. . However, as I see it with my very limited analysis so far, is that I think this sample is far from being a REPRESENTATIVE sample. Now, my brief analysis is, admittedly, very limited: Because I happen to be "jim bell", I look for my name. Because my email address used to be "jimbell@pacifier.com", I look for that as well. Since I happened to author AP, I looked for "AP" and "Assassination Politics". Somebody else, with a different name and email address, and perhaps a different string commonly present in his commentary, would see a different pattern. Who knows what what other manipulations this 1995 existing sample has undergone? If individual types of words could be counted and totaled, and compared against the content of the 1996 archive, maybe we'd see a skewing of the results? Or not. I think my initial conclusions will eventually be seen to be very close to the mark. (this, of course, is similar to a type of analysis where the numbers of specific letters are counted in cryptanalysis. If the number of the various kinds of letters match the quantities normally seen in the English language (for example), cryptanalysts conclude that the cipher is transposition. If none of the still-existing messages (i'm disregarding a few November and December 1995 here, for a moment) were either "to" or "from" me, because that very limited set had been selectively removed, we'd still expect to see messages REFERRING to me. At least hundreds of them, and maybe thousands. ("Bell's a nut") But no, they aren't there. So, I think we can clearly discern a pattern of manipulation of data. Sadly, I suppose. It's unfortunate that all Razer can do here is to be disruptive, to be his usual trollish self. But it's also somewhat unfortunate we don't seem to have a lot of people here to observe and comment. I ask, again, for somebody to call some of the older Cypherpunks, who I think would be fascinated by this mystery.
*that's the archive provided by US MILITARY CONTRACTOR ryan lackey.
Yes, it will be interesting to see what he says. Jim Bell
On Friday, November 1, 2019, 07:21:35 PM PDT, Razer <g2s@riseup.net> wrote: On November 1, 2019 3:24:26 PM PDT, jim bell <jdb10987@yahoo.com> wrote:
I think you totally misunderstand my point...or you are intentionally 'misunderstanding' it. See my recent comment. It's all still 'there', somewhere, it just isn't easily acquirable. I never claimed it should be easily acquirable, in all cases. At least not data from the 1995 time frame. But, the fact that some of it seems to be lost, NOW, does not mean that fraud didn't occur, in the past, YOU want to use the excuse that "eventually, some things will be lost" to confuse us into not looking for evidence of that fraud, in the past. You are obviously one of those people who is resisting the idea of uncovering this seemingly-lost data. What's the old saying, "It's not the crime, it's the cover-up!" https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2019-09-26/your-lawless-president-mafi... and probably hundreds more google-search references.
Jim Bell
Have you ever considered the server was destroyed, stolen and turned into components for black market sale all data wiped or a thousand other possibilities? We notice that you said, "THE server". As if there was only one server. And it had only one hard drive. Ever. And that server's data was NEVER backed up. Ever. So how do you know all this detailed information? And, have YOU ever considered that the hard drives or floppies of dozens or hundreds of individual CP subscribers, who received and perhaps archived these messages themselves may still have the data available somewhere, perhaps on a dusty 500 megabyte Seagate drive, sitting comfortably in their basement? Or some old data cartridges? Or some old writable CD's? "It's not the crime, it's the coverup!" We all learned in the October 2016 scandal involving Hitlery Clinton's emails, that they went from "missing" to discovering that Anthony Weiner's laptop contained 600,000 emails of varying kinds, and that the FBI "sat on" them for about a month, until just about a couple of weeks before the November 2016 election. When, according to the news, they suddenly "discovered" those emails. And in an extraordinary effort a few days long, they carefully studied each and every email and solidly established that none of them were ever, ever, ever evidence of any crime whatsoever.
Or is that too simple?
Is what I described "too simple", too?
Maybe it was used IN an assassination by being dropped from a 6th floor window on a cheating lover?
MAYBE the server's owner murdered their Ex by doing the above?
But I jest (snigger, or perhaps not...)
I'm not following why you believe the data is actually still existent.
I think I actually described the possibilities quite well. I also pointed out that the real difficulty, as you imply, is actually finding the data in hundreds of houses, most of whose owners haven't a clue that what they unknowingly possess is "interesting". If what we really wanted was the data itself. But we don't, at least not for purposes of generating a good archive of CP for historical reasons. But no! I FURTHER have to point out that the real issue here isn't the actual data, but really just the metadata: I myself started to become interested to acquire the date of the arrival of news of AP on the Cypherpunks list. Yet, in my search, I discovered that the supposed archive has what amounts to a huge 'hole'. Is it an "innocent hole" or a "guilty hole"? And the REAL problem is the fact that SOMEBODY has managed to deliberately conceal many months of CP records. Actually, a mysteriously-selected subset of them, involving essentially all references to "Jim Bell" or "assassination politics" over at least a 7 month time frame. While it is possible that the loss is far greater than this, this is simply what I knew enough to look for a couple of days ago. It would be very interesting to consider how many CP subscribers don't consider this an interesting or worthwhile subject! Has anyone else on CP bothered to go and look at the alleged "archive", and determine if there are any other classes of 'missing' data? Go see!!! At the very least, your (Razer) odd reaction to this logical conundrum should be considered extremely embarrasing to you. Why are you on the CP today? Are you really interested in the subject, or are you merely trying to harass people? I'll give you three guesses. Jim Bell Rr Sent from my Androgyne dee-vice with K-9 Mail
On November 1, 2019 8:19:25 PM PDT, jim bell <jdb10987@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Friday, November 1, 2019, 07:21:35 PM PDT, Razer <g2s@riseup.net> wrote:
I think you totally misunderstand my point...or you are intentionally 'misunderstanding' it. See my recent comment. It's all still 'there', somewhere, it just isn't easily acquirable. I never claimed it should be easily acquirable, in all cases. At least not data from the 1995 time frame. But, the fact that some of it seems to be lost, NOW, does not mean
On November 1, 2019 3:24:26 PM PDT, jim bell <jdb10987@yahoo.com> wrote: that
fraud didn't occur, in the past, YOU want to use the excuse that "eventually, some things will be lost" to confuse us into not looking for evidence of that fraud, in the past.
Snipe Hunt!
You are obviously one of those people who is resisting the idea of uncovering this seemingly-lost data.
I give no fucks either way really. I'm just a casual observer commenting
What's the old saying, "It's not the crime, it's the cover-up!" https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2019-09-26/your-lawless-president-mafi... and probably hundreds more google-search references.
Jim Bell
Have you ever considered the server was destroyed, stolen and turned into components for black market sale all data wiped or a thousand other possibilities? We notice that you said, "THE server". As if there was only one server. And it had only one hard drive. Ever. And that server's data was NEVER backed up. Ever. So how do you know all this detailed information?
I don't. I just figure for the time period it wasn't likely to be a RAID array or anything complex. Addenda: Your paranoia is showing
And, have YOU ever considered that the hard drives or floppies of dozens or hundreds of individual CP subscribers, who received and perhaps archived these messages themselves may still have the data available somewhere, perhaps on a dusty 500 megabyte Seagate drive, sitting comfortably in their basement? Or some old data cartridges? Or some old writable CD's? "It's not the crime, it's the coverup!" We all learned in the October 2016 scandal involving Hitlery Clinton's emails, that they went from "missing" to discovering that Anthony Weiner's laptop contained 600,000 emails of varying kinds, and that the FBI "sat on" them for about a month, until just about a couple of weeks before the November 2016 election. When, according to the news, they suddenly "discovered" those emails. And in an extraordinary effort a few days long, they carefully studied each and every email and solidly established that none of them were ever, ever, ever evidence of any crime whatsoever.
Or is that too simple?
Is what I described "too simple", too?
You aren't 'describing' a verifiable reality, you're hypothesizing. I hypothesize the house or structure containing the server/data/whatever, was hit by a JDAM and it evaporated.
Maybe it was used IN an assassination by being dropped from a 6th floor window on a cheating lover?
MAYBE the server's owner murdered their Ex by doing the above?
But I jest (snigger, or perhaps not...)
I'm not following why you believe the data is actually still existent.
I think I actually described the possibilities quite well.
ANYTHING is possible. I think the 'out the window' scenario assassination murder attempt is 'possible', and... ahem.... POSSIBLY more likely, I also
pointed out that the real difficulty, as you imply, is actually finding the data in hundreds of houses, most of whose owners haven't a clue that what they unknowingly possess is "interesting".
I woudn't suggest taking up burglarizing houses at your age. Perhaps instead of assassination markets you should investigate burglarization markets? If what we really
wanted was the data itself. But we don't, at least not for purposes of generating a good archive of CP for historical reasons. But no! I FURTHER have to point out that the real issue here isn't the actual data, but really just the metadata: I myself started to become interested to acquire the date of the arrival of news of AP on the Cypherpunks list. Yet, in my search, I discovered that the supposed archive has what amounts to a huge 'hole'. Is it an "innocent hole" or a "guilty hole"? And the REAL problem is the fact that SOMEBODY has managed to deliberately conceal many months of CP records. Actually, a mysteriously-selected subset of them, involving essentially all references to "Jim Bell" or "assassination politics" over at least a 7 month time frame. While it is possible that the loss is far greater than this, this is simply what I knew enough to look for a couple of days ago. It would be very interesting to consider how many CP subscribers don't consider this an interesting or worthwhile subject! Has anyone else on CP bothered to go and look at the alleged "archive", and determine if there are any other classes of 'missing' data? Go see!!!
At the very least, your (Razer) odd reaction to this logical conundrum should be considered extremely embarrasing to you. Why are you on the CP today? Are you really interested in the subject, or are you merely trying to harass people? I'll give you three guesses.
In order: My reaction seems odd to you? It doesn't to me. Why should I be embarrassed exactly? Because. Yes. If the subject is cyber cypher or punks, or networks or... just about anything, but not whines. I'm not interested in whines. Absolutely not. And last but not least ... You don't get to tell me how many fucking guesses I get. Rr Sent from my Androgyne dee-vice with K-9 Mail
On Friday, November 1, 2019, 10:36:22 PM PDT, Razer <g2s@riseup.net> wrote: On November 1, 2019 8:19:25 PM PDT, jim bell <jdb10987@yahoo.com> wrote:
You are obviously one of those people who is resisting the idea of uncovering this seemingly-lost data.
I give no fucks either way really. I'm just a casual observer commenting And your comments are totally illogical.
Have you ever considered the server was destroyed, stolen and turned into components for black market sale all data wiped or a thousand other possibilities? We notice that you said, "THE server". As if there was only one server. And it had only one hard drive. Ever. And that server's data was NEVER backed up. Ever. So how do you know all this detailed information?
I don't. I just figure for the time period it wasn't likely to be a RAID array or anything complex.
Apparently, you missed the point completely. I repeatedly pointed out that there is no reason to believe that the operator of the CP server didn't keep backups, or change out disk drives occasionally. Such ordinary practices WOULD have left copies of data. Just not obvious and available to everyone else. But why should that data not have been included in (at least one) current archive? Was it merely accidentally forgotten? Or intentionally left out? See below. And such weak excuses! You simply ASSUME that the issue is whether the data is accessible today. No, it isn't,. It is "how did the data get to be unavailable?" Or, at least, was not incorporated. You cannot even argue that you KNOW that the data ISN'T available, known to one of the people who took care of the system. How do you know that they don't have a cumulative backup of writeable CD's, stacked on a shelf in their living room? Easily available. But somebody may have somehow CHOSEN to change the data, not merely not include all of it. You DON'T know. And how do you know that nobody actually deliberately tampered with the database? I just posted a comment describing good evidence and argument that somebody did, indeed, intentionally remove all instances of ONE meaning of 'ap' ("assassination politics") and left many others instances only differing in the meaning of the string, 'ap', or ' ap ', or ' ap story'. You won't have an explanation, at least not an admission that does not utterly destroys your position.
And, have YOU ever considered that the hard drives or floppies of dozens or hundreds of individual CP subscribers, who received and perhaps archived these messages themselves may still have the data available somewhere, perhaps on a dusty 500 megabyte Seagate drive, sitting comfortably in their basement? Or some old data cartridges? Or some old writable CD's? "It's not the crime, it's the coverup!" We all learned in the October 2016 scandal involving Hitlery Clinton's emails, that they went from "missing" to discovering that Anthony Weiner's laptop contained 600,000 emails of varying kinds, and that the FBI "sat on" them for about a month, until just about a couple of weeks before the November 2016 election. When, according to the news, they suddenly "discovered" those emails. And in an extraordinary effort a few days long, they carefully studied each and every email and solidly established that none of them were ever, ever, ever evidence of any crime whatsoever.
I hypothesize the house or structure containing the server/data/whatever, was hit by a JDAM and it evaporated. It ain't the data! It's how it was REMOVED! And you haven't established that you KNOW it was removed in an 'innocent' manner. And, it is looking more and more like it is OBVIOUS that the data was deleted in an extremely specific and detailed fashion. I've described many facts, and why they are seemingly consistent only with a deliberate, intentional effort to remove all references to 'ap' that mean "assassination politics", but to leave in numerous cases other references the string 'ap', or even ' ap ', in instances that clearly mean things other than "assassination politics". So, you are argumentationally bankrupt.
Dude. Get psychiatric help, really. Get OFF the internet and get a fucking life before you find yourself in a shopping mall with a bushmaster surrounded by dead bodies. Rr Sent from my Androgyne dee-vice with K-9 Mail
On Saturday, November 2, 2019, 10:53:29 AM PDT, Razer <g2s@riseup.net> wrote: "Get OFF the internet " By an odd coincident, THAT is precisely what the Federal Government wanted me to do. And by locking me up, they achieved that outcome, for years. BTW, I am noticing a very suspiciously low number of comments by other people on CP now. I hope that everybody hasn't run away.... Jim Bell
On 11/1/19, jim bell <jdb10987@yahoo.com> wrote:
And, have YOU ever considered that the hard drives or floppies of dozens or hundreds of individual CP subscribers, who received and perhaps archived these messages themselves may still have the data available somewhere, perhaps on a dusty 500 megabyte Seagate drive, sitting comfortably in their basement? Or some old data cartridges? Or some old writable CD's?
If the suggestion is that the messages in question were in fact relayed out to the subscribers at that time (as opposed to never making it past the server / moderator), then yes, subscribers copies are quite likely to still exist in such places or better. And many here are surely able to check or put in some calls. Myself will at least try.
Paranoia can be useful, life saving even. The problem is, he's not -sufficiently- paranoid. On Fri, Nov 01, 2019 at 09:47:38AM -0700, Razer wrote:
Your right-wing proto-fascist libertard politics have made you paranoid. See a psychologist you poor persecuted assassination fan.
Rr Sent from my Androgyne dee-vice with K-9 Mail
On October 31, 2019 10:13:46 PM PDT, jim bell <jdb10987@yahoo.com> wrote:
I have just discovered a startling omission in your Cypherpunks archive. A HUGE number of postings on the subject of AP, my assassination politics essay, which I began posting maybe about April/May 1995 are simply not there. And, in fact, postings on the subject of AP at least until early November 1995 seem to be missing. And perhaps after November 1995. I don't know what other classes of emails may also be missing, but I think it will be very important to find out this information. I looked at the archive because I wanted to determine the earliest that the subject of "Assassination Politics" appeared on the Cypherpunks list. It might have been April 1995.Note: as weird as it may sound, there are reasons that this material might have been tampered with, but I don't know what time the tampering occurred. We are discussing this on the Cypherpunks list. I assume you will want to participate. Jim Bell
Sorry, I only just saw this, messages addressed to me get filtered to a label if they're also addressed to the mailing list. I should see if I can change my filter to make an exception for this in my filter rule. I've replied properly in another thread. On Fri, 1 Nov 2019 at 06:13, jim bell <jdb10987@yahoo.com> wrote:
I have just discovered a startling omission in your Cypherpunks archive. A HUGE number of postings on the subject of AP, my assassination politics essay, which I began posting maybe about April/May 1995 are simply not there. And, in fact, postings on the subject of AP at least until early November 1995 seem to be missing. And perhaps after November 1995.
I don't know what other classes of emails may also be missing, but I think it will be very important to find out this information.
I looked at the archive because I wanted to determine the earliest that the subject of "Assassination Politics" appeared on the Cypherpunks list. It might have been April 1995. Note: as weird as it may sound, there are reasons that this material might have been tampered with, but I don't know what time the tampering occurred.
We are discussing this on the Cypherpunks list. I assume you will want to participate.
Jim Bell
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