jim bell <jdb10987@yahoo.com> wrote:

>  On Sunday, November 3, 2019, 01:34:48 PM PST, Zenaan Harkness <zen@freedbms.net> wrote:
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>  >What I do when I'm unsure and want to check, is check the cp archives here:
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> >    https://lists.cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/
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> >view by date, and look at the most recent emails.
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> Unfortunately, your response is (un-?)intentionally hilarious.  It wouldn't have been so a week ago, before I started exposing the most huge scandal of corruption tampering that Cypherpunks archives has ever seen, a massive fabrication of some of the CP archives, 


>But the current list server is not the same server from 25 years ago, and the archives are not the same archives. Zen is right this time. If you want to know if your post made it to the list see if you can find it here 

Oh, yes, you are absolutely correct:  Different data, different servers, 24 years apart.  But remember, I was going for humor, which does not require a precise lineup of facts and arguments.   The irony is that in the shadow of this enormous revelation of archive fraud, Zen proposes...going to the archive!

Further, a big objection was that Zenaan didn't bother to tell me if HE had received a copy of yesterday morning's email, which Razer either stated (or, at least, strongly implied) that he had received it.   What would have been more obvious but to say, "yes, I got that", or "no, I didn't get that".

>    The cypherpunks Archives

>    Regarding the original archive, I was about to mention that if there were copies in floppy disks or even hard disks siting somewhere, they are probably useless by now, unless they've been regularly accessed or copied to new media somehow. Maybe a 20 years old HD would still work, but floppy disks won't. 

Somehow, I doubt that, as to floppies.    After a bit of searching, I don't see much hard facts on the decay of floppies   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_preservation  

10-20 years.    However, even if the as-written magnetization slowly decays, I would expect that data recovery services have test-floppy-drives that are circuited to allow a controlling computer to electronically adjust the read-head amplification, allowing recovery of data of much-lower signal levels than are ordinarily seen. (as well as adjusting tracking...)

Optical disks have different factors, but likewise I'd suppose that their dyes might fade, but nevertheless be readable if the characteristics of the reading drive could be adjusted. For all I know, optical drives may already have had such a feature included for decades, if the manufacturer knows that this fading is expected to occur.   It would be expected to protect against variation in disk characteristics of the manufacturer's own product, or variations in competitors' disks.

>    Anyway, I'm waiting for James Donald to make some comment on either the archive, or what he remembers from that time. Or maybe his contract with the US military doesn't allow him to comment on the subject.