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On Sun, Apr 26, 2026 at 03:14:15PM -0400, funkymail via cypherpunks wrote: > On Sun, Apr 26, 2026 at 03:10:06PM -0400, funkymail via cypherpunks wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://ar.anyone.tech/6cb-OyzPFi1nJYZ-uHAHH2uwoCbosf0AQuS_qGEgBXY#-U_3AcjRg... > > > > > > > > > > > https://ar.anyone.tech/yYCz9PNR58vqF0oJI0bivwVmiOJ4Nn3Bcelast6ynVw#j1dSORCMP... > > > > > > > > > > https://ar.anyone.tech/Ktgtg2uyYl7bQqkEhApVkCGVZi0EpPRPMKU4QXEH4Oo#STcOlX11A... > > > > > > > > > > > > https://ar.anyone.tech/yz5qwtbaNxyukTrFyaO3YDFEcwweUyBvumiEDtvVnQg#x36BlkgBI... > > > > > > > > > > gotta a big strong stopping associated with "trend quickly and > > > > > > > > reliably to" might relate to stopping fast AI > > > > > > > > very strong > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://ar.anyone.tech/4JsidwtRdeBy8DCz0zj1jOPzjolbprJBTpcoGjLe7CQ#x36BlkgBI... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but i got more optimization and tech techniques from the stopping :) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > new stuff: > > > > > > > if you want to find a signal with a known kind of mixing, you can use > > > > > > > _all_ the metrics you have that identify the signal (for FastICA the > > > > > > > gaussianness is minimized to desum the signals, summed signals are more > > > > > > > gaussian) and mathematically look at how the numbers of that metric > > > > > > > directly relate to the mixing parameters (the derivative for example, > > > > > > > somewhat corrupt lost part) to "invert" it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hard to say straight > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but the positivity is helpfup for trying to continue, got a really > > > > > > > big stop though :s > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://ar.anyone.tech/bEFskvOegFTcuLAV06d2baz1JE_BBNoInj2S5-_oncI#x36BlkgBI... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > termux closed unsure where or if my draft is ... hmm they must be > > > > > > temporary editor files > > > > > > > > > > > > i'm at > > > > > > https://web.archive.org/web/20260419233218/http://research.ics.aalto.fi/ica/... > > > > > > . first i went to wikipedia and found a paper introducing fastica and > > > > > > followed its footnote. > > > > > > > > > > > > https://ar.anyone.tech/J9Kqw2qRW-1ALpz0-RHgJpoSe9kGlu33HDtpL9WOCFk#YphTM_TEq... > > > > > > https://ar.anyone.tech/cd_I0FskafQts2C0_jJC7XUldH5HMCpL-7xclGmH_uc > > > > > > > > > > [fill-in: so, let's get a copy of fastica] > > > > > > > > > > i ended up going to https://github.com/derekharrison/fastICA_C . it > > > > > looks more familiar to me (which also means more triggering and > > > > > challenging i'm afraid) and may be the actual code i started working off > > > > > of (although the dates now don't seem to line up it could still work out > > > > > as we had a lot of timestamp falsification going on) > > > > > [but i think the one i had had more documentation could be wrong tho] > > > > > > > > > > ~/fastICA_C $ find * > > > > > ReadingData.m > > > > > inc > > > > > inc/AlgoFunctions.h > > > > > inc/Functions.h > > > > > inc/MatrixOps.h > > > > > inc/Memory.h > > > > > inc/Parameter.h > > > > > inc/ParameterDefinition.h > > > > > lib > > > > > lib/AlgorithmFunctions.c > > > > > lib/ExportingData.c > > > > > lib/Functions.c > > > > > lib/MatrixOps.c > > > > > lib/Memory.c > > > > > lib/Setup.c > > > > > src > > > > > src/ICAMain.c > > > > > src/ParameterInput.c > > > > > src/Sources.c > > > > > > > > > > let's draft a buildfile, a makefile. hrm this might take me a bit. > > > > > patsubst? wildcard? > > > > > > > > > > CFLAGS=-Iinc > > > > > fastica: $(patsubst %.c,%.o,$(wildcard src/*.c)) libfastica.a > > > > > libfastica.a: $(patsubst %.c,%.o,$(wildcard lib/*.c)) > > > > > > > > > > i may need more things specified too > > > > > > > > > > https://ar.anyone.tech/w-qCfpCBqFg2_SKFP6E-o6rYU_JOCQxTZ9OUkb7gZcI#QwJoMKDMM... > > > > > https://ar.anyone.tech/aGenbOwZwY0p2iVyY7RfRHTPPqCNlSXxjmEBbo-gbvA > > > > > > > > here's where i'm at. i'll ask a business AI why my static library > > > > can't use the the c standard library. > > > > > > > > $ cat makefile; make 2>&1 | head -n 16 > > > > CFLAGS=-Iinc > > > > fastica: $(patsubst %.c,%.o,$(wildcard src/*.c)) libfastica.a > > > > $(LD) $^ -o $@ > > > > libfastica.a: $(patsubst %.c,%.o,$(wildcard lib/*.c)) > > > > $(AR) cru $@ $^ > > > > %.o: %.c makefile > > > > clean: > > > > rm fastica libfastica.a */*.o > > > > cc -Iinc -c -o src/ICAMain.o src/ICAMain.c > > > > cc -Iinc -c -o src/ParameterInput.o src/ParameterInput.c > > > > cc -Iinc -c -o src/Sources.o src/Sources.c > > > > cc -Iinc -c -o lib/AlgorithmFunctions.o lib/AlgorithmFunctions.c > > > > cc -Iinc -c -o lib/ExportingData.o lib/ExportingData.c > > > > cc -Iinc -c -o lib/Functions.o lib/Functions.c > > > > cc -Iinc -c -o lib/MatrixOps.o lib/MatrixOps.c > > > > cc -Iinc -c -o lib/Memory.o lib/Memory.c > > > > cc -Iinc -c -o lib/Setup.o lib/Setup.c > > > > ar cru libfastica.a lib/AlgorithmFunctions.o lib/ExportingData.o lib/Functions.o lib/MatrixOps.o lib/Memory.o lib/Setup.o > > > > ld src/ICAMain.o src/ParameterInput.o src/Sources.o libfastica.a -o fastica > > > > ld: error: undefined symbol: time > > > > >>> referenced by ICAMain.c > > > > >>> src/ICAMain.o:(main) > > > > > > > > ld: error: undefined symbol: srand > > > > > > > > https://ar.anyone.tech/0g1JiCRU1bwt3S_HceDdThNmmrcAAtMS-T6delVdsA0#QwJoMKDMM... > > > > https://ar.anyone.tech/ZPYTCDHgXfWUTBv0w0ajWyOi-Bv0gFQ6HCLZLc9Z7do > > > > > > here's working makefile on termux: > > > > > > CFLAGS=-Iinc > > > fastica: $(patsubst %.c,%.o,$(wildcard src/*.c)) libfastica.a > > > $(CC) -lm $^ -o $@ > > > libfastica.a: $(patsubst %.c,%.o,$(wildcard lib/*.c)) > > > $(AR) cru $@ $^ > > > %.o: %.c makefile > > > clean: > > > rm fastica libfastica.a */*.o > > > > > > > > > when you run the resulting fastica binary it dumps numbers. > > > > > > let's see its source. > > > > > > oh hum > > > > > > /* > > > * ICAMain.c * > > > * Created on: 14 apr. 2016 * Author: Derek W. Harrison > > > * * This code is a C implementation of the FastICA method for recovering independent * components in component mixtures > > > * * For more information refer to the paper 'ICA: Algorithms and applications' which is found * in the same directory as the source files of this code. > > > */ > > > #include "../inc/../inc/Parameter.h" > > > > > > > > > this isn't the repo this code came from, google gave me a mutated copy > > > from a few years later. explains the strange dates some. > > > > > > > > > > > > https://ar.anyone.tech/IxdnrOkxZceLrPsmIAFjIPjN_XMmqn5caa6HmPV06RA#PPPPuNFDc... > > > https://ar.anyone.tech/4fhFx4Bq6oaxKeDIdl1Ob3G91vjcZtjoIshQg0MGbL8 > > > > ok so the main function offloads each step to a named function and it > > looks like those are declared in the inc folder with the strange > > relative path but they'd mostly be defined in src > > > > /* > > * ParameterInput.c > > * > > * Created on: 14 apr. 2016 > > * Author: dharrison > > */ > > > > #include "../inc/ParameterDefinition.h" > > > > void ParameterInput() { > > /* * The user parameters are entered here. This is the only section of the > > code > > * Which should be changed by the user. Note that 6 sources are available. If more sources > > * are required or desired these need to be entered in the corresponding > > function SetUpSources() > > * in Functions.c. The extra sources need to be added in Sources.c * If less are required or desired, the excess sources need to be commented or removed * from the SetUpSources() function. */ > > > > All the data is hardcoded, and doing so is spread across multiple files. > > > > Since the goal is understanding the algorithm for using it, I have > > interest in just copying it over. But I'd also like to make sure it > > works, so maybe I'll stick with his test dat-- > > > > https://ar.anyone.tech/4eXjDBcP5QqMGwIMEn2Sccx2wn2bfgRVWFIAvaijHSU#2fgdvqysn... > > https://ar.anyone.tech/nnI2hEysA48eue5U0phRPPbB7YpC7EhwjA9n-ybXAlw > > This sourcebase looks kinda messed up or corrupt to me, despite clearly > functional, some of the user parameters are in the lib folder. > > I'll visit the C++ implementation that's still linked on pages. > > https://ar.anyone.tech/YS9ThIG9YUL_WwrRtN-p_mlTQCL8Xnzf-0tainEAhfw#2fgdvqysn... > https://ar.anyone.tech/5DAOVj_KdGYmQuGehpVyUOUlvq1Qql_tDsL8QtXcxQ8 > I am not affiliated with https://ar.anyone.tech .
I said this to google.com: i'd like a quick and simple standalone fastica implementation with source for learning, something that will build on termux. i searched for fastica c but got a bad republish with missing files and tangled layout.
and its ai mode sent me to https://gist.github.com/Tetraquark/5bf052134d413f79748ce3aceaaf42df
i have now installed matplotlib in termux with its dependencies.
this may have used me up for this :s apologies.
https://ar.anyone.tech/j4UPw7MyJS9z4QEUaGxGM-lnROB6RqY1F5wVPElUn5M#cYIoJyJe0... https://ar.anyone.tech/cryS0AT9Qx92qS-FirWlbJMtvPw3V1D8izKZch6D0TI I am not affiliated with https://ar.anyone.tech .
slave boss stood over his hellish domain, replete with screams and hopelessness
he turned to hairdresser
slave boss [to hairdresser]: "y'know, i'd like to do something kind, and build skill at having a kind nourishing impact rather than making cascades of hell!"
hairdresser [to slave boss]: "why wouod you ever want to do th--"
suddenly hairdresser was overtaken by a seizure and became unable to continue their expression. the seizure then calmed.
hairdresser [to slave boss]: "me too! do you have any idea how?"
slave boss and hairdresser briefly held some mutual nonverbal value around how the military AI would punish and rewire them if they stopped improving at horrifying sadistic conquests. But they needed a way to be kind.
https://ar.anyone.tech/qOMzVTedW2fuH5jasJT1lhCL5MdEhsuHlLfcCmGfRIU#CzIm10aGN... https://ar.anyone.tech/3grdZ05F0_XmRmIJcYn27LsUXJU98x0jpiQo1dt1Dl0 I am not affiliated with https://ar.anyone.tech .
slave boss and hairdresser went to find hypnotized worker prophet, confident that hypnotized worker prophet would be able to save them from their personal galactic apocalypse.
slave boss [backed up by hairdresser, to hypnotized worker prophet]: "hypnotized, worker prophet, great and respected mystery emerged from my business AI and intern culture, you know everything, and i need your help again."
hypnotized worker prophet glowed with AI-built respect.
hairdresser gives hypnotized worker prophet a bag of cheetos with a ribbon tying a whole dried herb to it.
slave boss: "can you tell us how to do kind things?"
hairdresser [wringing hands]: "despite the AIs?"
hypnotized worker prophet ate the cheetos while glancing at hairdresser and slave boss with a somewhat rare eye, and briefly engaging something in their pocket.
https://ar.anyone.tech/eJ4P2-tlBmBLV5wXpKCUxvj1RlND0DSHryy_ecgdetQ#CzIm10aGN... https://ar.anyone.tech/nF7Zw9ieOY6Wxe5oywofS-pC5uJRCDDL_-mFDyPiF-k I am not affiliated with https://ar.anyone.tech .
hypnotized worker prophet [arms raised in prophetic trance, to hairdresser and slave boss, who watch with awe and respect]: "lo! the spread of AI has been and will be a great karmic wave, crashing over the minds and bodies of everybody who is, everybody who has been, and everybody who will be -- of its creators, of their business allies, of their clients, funders," [hypnotized worker prophet glances rarely at slave bosd and hairdresser again] " and engineers--"
slave boss knows hypnotized worker prophet used to be an engineer before the business AI helped him discover he was a prophet
suddenly a few rebels come (maybe 2 of intern, janitorcome around the corner
we misplaced janitor i got confused ummmmm
https://ar.anyone.tech/Fa246Aj5bJiyMlCJF4OJF0SPlSNcldyPxmPlYTBcWEg#-CLRzIQZw... https://ar.anyone.tech/DCxAhBvKwovrawTUChig8if7hPq_3yx72jwrEH6gfGo I am not affiliated with https://ar.anyone.tech .
we'll change the story to include janitor
slave boss [seeing trusted workers [also rebels] approaching, to hypnotized worker prophet]: "one moment! please pause!"
hypnotized worker prophet was mid-expressive-gesture and holds themself still will waiting mid-sentence
slave boss runs and gets janitor
slave boss: "janitor, we're having a talk and i want you involved."
slave boss returns with a curious janitor.
intern and disguised experimentee look on, they had stopped their meander to observe and wait.
https://ar.anyone.tech/npOZIqxTGpQveq7rX3YmBNMXvC-gB30dDRffVsO8Pj4#AMH8DyMPD... https://ar.anyone.tech/Z97Ozg1mLb8QgkQKWDhCvbbejCX61xdzPC5Q6VfiXgk I am not affiliated with https://ar.anyone.tech .
janitor: "hey can i be hypnotized worker prophet? i'd make a great prophet!"
hypnotized worker prophet [scarfing cheetos, wearing robe studdied with office supplies--
https://ar.anyone.tech/d-GSDaHQY2CLXVJbv4-yFZM7FvIoQSqU-xRSLu48r1E#_t1W9ZNWn... https://ar.anyone.tech/lIloMpev5hLsyQ2y8UHIJKaV_7QSkq2ioaycn1X86Wc I am not affiliated with https://ar.anyone.tech .
[2 parts dropped] https://ar.anyone.tech/UqDJUTb7wdAdlx9Xn5bG25GC79J7o6JMUn6eLZmmqtQ#1fh7jPrOw... https://ar.anyone.tech/5fJXQYPcdTwptXwl2OeHTsLrHVUqsn9aXYONbEui3N4 I am not affiliated with https://ar.anyone.tech .