Re: "alt.cypherpunks" Newsgroup vs. Mailing List?
Although Tim is quite happy with Eudora's (or whatever it is) email handeling techniques, I would also prefer a way in which to use my Usenet tools on the cypherpunks list. BUT I think that making it a newgroup opens up the volume to a level far beyond what it is now. It will also result in a far larger level of "noise" due mostly to cross-posts. My plan is to gate cypherpunks to a local newsgroup (local to my machine only) and read it that way. Is it more work for me that way? - yes, but I'ld prefer to do the extra work required than loose what this group has as a mailing list. Now - if someone wants to start a seperate alt.cypherpunks group, but *NOT* gateway this list to it - be my guest. People can then vote with their feet which is the better "medium" or transport method. Dan ------------------------------------------------------------------ Dan Oelke Alcatel Network Systems droelke@aud.alcatel.com Richardson, TX
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Several people are working on improvements to netnews which allow more active filtering. The most promising techniques that I have heard about involve a lot of "ratings" being generated by readers and then taken into account by other readers when filtering/sorting the articles. I am perfectly happy with the social scene on the cypherpunks list as is, and I think those who want to move to a newsgroup don't know what they are asking for. (Go read sci.crypt and talk.politics.crypto for awhile. I expect an "alt.cypherpunks" would be indistinguishable from those two in short order.) BUT, I was thinking that this group (I mean, this group of people) would make an excellent group to test this new technology. Think about it: Perry Metzger could routinely give conspiracy articles/authors a "-10" rating, and those of us who agreed with him could set our "Perry coefficients" to indicate the degree to which we agree with his evaluations. Thus we might actually gain a *higher* SNR by moving to UseNet. (And it would provide an exciting example of reputations in action...) I don't know if the technology is there yet, or if it is accessible to most of our readers. One person who is working on such a scheme is "(cm)", or "na48985@anon.penet.fi". I have added his name to the Cc: line so perhaps he would be so kind as to tell us about his "NoCeM" ("No see 'em!") software. Bryce signatures follow: + public key on keyservers /. island Life in a chaos sea or via finger 0x617c6db9 / bryce.wilcox@colorado.edu ---* -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Auto-signed with Bryce's Auto-PGP v1.0beta4 iQCVAwUBMFtjUvWZSllhfG25AQHSoAP/aH1kzLO+JYzlPqdAA9Zeb7JpeWbt4xEI WH0HCP+sjEFgsW/sXpEpjT5TuMe3/FyGAJFZTN0l8SLythYuFJauGs5xf2tEv8OQ 3q5jTq4pztMbvD9FnlFeU4kfcg5yJkvy9KDebfxtRAfDvIz6BTxGuNkJ18rJBXlY OCg+mm8vYmc= =paQk -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Several people are working on improvements to netnews which allow more active filtering. The most promising techniques that I have heard about involve a lot of "ratings" being generated by readers and then taken into account by other readers when filtering/sorting the articles.
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I don't know if the technology is there yet, or if it is accessible to most of our readers. One person who is working on such a scheme is "(cm)", or "na48985@anon.penet.fi". I have added his name to the Cc: line so perhaps he would be so kind as to tell us about his "NoCeM" ("No see 'em!") software.
(Please note the new email address-- moose@cm.org). I apologize for the delay in responding to your message -- I will be putting a lot of information about NoCeM up on http://www.cm.org in the next day or so. You can also find information in the newsgroup alt.nocem.misc (if you get it). If these don't work for you, feel free to write to me, and I'd be happy to send you whatever you need. (cm) =-=-=-=-= Please note new address: moose@cm.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- "Cancelmoose[tm]" <moose@cm.org> wrote:
I apologize for the delay in responding to your message -- I will be putting a lot of information about NoCeM up on http://www.cm.org in the next day or so. You can also find information in the newsgroup alt.nocem.misc (if you get it).
If these don't work for you, feel free to write to me, and I'd be happy to send you whatever you need.
I've had a look at the web site and it looks really interesting. It would make a great project if a bunch of cypherpunks installed NoCeM and then piped the list to a newsgroup. We could then develop reputation servers to help us use NoCeM, start charging cyberbucks for our recommendations, and, in short, make cpunks into a slightly larger outpost in Cyberlibertaria. (a.k.a. The Free Net) Bryce signatures follow To strive, to seek, to find and not to yield. bryce@colorado.edu http://ugrad-www.cs.colorado.edu/~wilcoxb/Niche.html -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Automatic PGP clearsigning under Unix with Bryce's Auto-PGP v1.0 iQCVAwUBMG72U/WZSllhfG25AQEbAAP+Kh8aNRsqfk9TmEtwhbIkhaKGeHh0CyNC lSQ+vak2IknE2QTxVP01hRGEXfQBZ9JOlxvEQK/ka3SqISmNl1WXo7mGBtk65t+R 42WehIoSuMGJ9maagCK+EPZM+o0PEyqGBA9n4m4GWb1ufM5FiBJISQDIkOQtHy+y +U07bKuw6lI= =vxTn -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Bryce Wilcox <wilcoxb@nag.cs.colorado.edu> writes:
I've had a look at the web site and it looks really interesting. It would make a great project if a bunch of cypherpunks installed NoCeM and then piped the list to a newsgroup. We could then develop reputation servers to help us use NoCeM, start charging cyberbucks for our recommendations, and, in short, make cpunks into a slightly larger outpost in Cyberlibertaria. (a.k.a. The Free Net)
This sounds like a very good idea to me too. :) --- Dr. Dimitri Vulis Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps
It would make a great project if a bunch of cypherpunks installed NoCeM and then piped the list to a newsgroup. We could then develop reputation servers to help us use NoCeM, start charging cyberbucks for our recommendations, and, in short, make cpunks into a slightly larger outpost in Cyberlibertaria. (a.k.a. The Free Net)
The IETF "Voluntary Access Control" working group could probably use a few more people who are interested in the type of access control enabled by reputation servers, as opposed to the type of access control imposed by censorship servers. Subscribe to the mailing list via vac-wg-request@naic.nasa.gov. --apb (Alan Barrett)
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