Re: wars of attrition & reverse rubber hose & the ineffectiveness of direct lethal violence against the state
On 3/8/06, Tyler Durden <camera_lumina@hotmail.com> wrote:
... ON THE OTHER HAND, one does't need huge numbers of people wielding baseball bats...
i like to think you don't need any bats at all; waging direct lethal violence against the largest and best equipped military in the world (esp. adding up police, swat, n.guard, military, etc) fuels their propaganda machine and gets you crushed like an ant under foot. bomb throwers and assassins get no sympathy from the public no matter justified your perceived grievances. cutting at the heart of this nation-scale responsibility diffusion machine requires taxing communication and commerce engines which make its very existence possible. this tax is applied in the form of continued and targeted infrastructure disruption against those entities which are refusing and deflecting oversight and accountability for their actions, and all those who serve them directly or indirectly. punks with portable saws and thermic lances slicing fiber and junking equipment is much more palatable to the public when used against entities already perceived unpopular and abusive to fundamental rights. we've already talked about data mining and critical infrastructure analysis to direct such attacks in the most effective manner possible. although somehow i think this will get you a more severe response than killing random yes men (despite the fact this is limited to property damage alone). hmmm, the information required to organize such efforts would be a good fit for the blacknet.
No, I'm not talking about Baseballbatting cops and Marines for the most part. I AM talking about baseballbatting the TLA and Patriot Act paperpushers and others who file motions or otherwise do a lot of the day-to-day "innocuous" interfacing-with-the-real world activities. Look...most operations are not black bag and field these days. Make that layer think about whether what they're doing is worth having broken limbs, and everything gets a lot more difficult. Look, if you're a small ISP and a couple of TLA clerks come demanding info about who's looking at what, tell them you can only hand over the records in person and then when they show up break an arm or leg or two. You'll be glad you did, and you can bet those clerks aren't going to do it again without a real Operation, which is a lot more costly and a LOT more visible. -TD
From: coderman <coderman@gmail.com> To: "Tyler Durden" <camera_lumina@hotmail.com> CC: measl@mfn.org, cypherpunks@jfet.org Subject: Re: wars of attrition & reverse rubber hose & the ineffectiveness of direct lethal violence against the state Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2006 10:21:32 -0800
... ON THE OTHER HAND, one does't need huge numbers of people wielding
On 3/8/06, Tyler Durden <camera_lumina@hotmail.com> wrote: baseball
bats...
i like to think you don't need any bats at all; waging direct lethal violence against the largest and best equipped military in the world (esp. adding up police, swat, n.guard, military, etc) fuels their propaganda machine and gets you crushed like an ant under foot.
bomb throwers and assassins get no sympathy from the public no matter justified your perceived grievances.
cutting at the heart of this nation-scale responsibility diffusion machine requires taxing communication and commerce engines which make its very existence possible. this tax is applied in the form of continued and targeted infrastructure disruption against those entities which are refusing and deflecting oversight and accountability for their actions, and all those who serve them directly or indirectly.
punks with portable saws and thermic lances slicing fiber and junking equipment is much more palatable to the public when used against entities already perceived unpopular and abusive to fundamental rights. we've already talked about data mining and critical infrastructure analysis to direct such attacks in the most effective manner possible.
although somehow i think this will get you a more severe response than killing random yes men (despite the fact this is limited to property damage alone).
hmmm, the information required to organize such efforts would be a good fit for the blacknet.
On 3/9/06, Tyler Durden <camera_lumina@hotmail.com> wrote:
... if you're a small ISP and a couple of TLA clerks come demanding info about who's looking at what, tell them you can only hand over the records in person and then when they show up break an arm or leg or two. You'll be glad you did, and you can bet those clerks aren't going to do it again without a real Operation, which is a lot more costly and a LOT more visible.
(ah for the good old days; public discourse on proposed legislation should provide the option of challenging your representative to a duel. *grin* http://politicalgraveyard.com/special/duel-participants.html ) regarding resource consumption attacks to stem the capricious execution of NSL's: can you give them their requested data on cases of punchcards? and bill them for it? most annoying and obscure data storage format as a feature; that's a disturbing thought... [would it be punch cards or bernoulli disks?]
On 3/9/06, coderman <coderman@gmail.com> wrote:
most annoying and obscure data storage format as a feature; that's a disturbing thought... [would it be punch cards or bernoulli disks?]
Unless you can find an old 5MB Bernoulli, stick with punch cards. The larger format versions are too easy to get. Mike
Yeah, I am, as usual, really late to the party... On Thu, 9 Mar 2006, Mike Owen wrote:
On 3/9/06, coderman <coderman@gmail.com> wrote:
most annoying and obscure data storage format as a feature; that's a disturbing thought... [would it be punch cards or bernoulli disks?]
Unless you can find an old 5MB Bernoulli, stick with punch cards. The larger format versions are too easy to get.
Punch cards suffer from the defect of being visually readable. 5mb Bernoulli are readily available, however, 3" (NOT 3.5") floppy is *extremely* rare (I have two drives, and they are *so* obscure that I offer sizeable ($500.00) for anyone who can find a way to read the ones I bring for demonstrations :-) For that legitimate 'What I'm Doing *Isn't* "Museum Theft" kind of attitude. '
Mike
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