That is *exactly* what Tim is doing. He is wrapping himself in the flag and shouting about how he has the one true vision of what the hallowed founding fathers thought:
Foo. Tim has never claimed to have a true vision, as in all things it is highly individual and subjective, nor does he claim that even if his vision of their intentions were correct it would be the only correct interpretation. An argument based on discrediting the other persons perspective rather than trying to make an objective accessment is unlikely to ever be productive, clearly you must have no opinion whatsoever on this or any other subject or you would be claiming to have the one true vision of the reality of the situation, wouldn`t you???.
Kill the key grabbers and all those who support them. Isn't it exactly what Patrick Henry, Thomas Jefferson, and the others would have argued?
Pardon my patriotic tears...
Can there be any doubt at all? It's obviously old cheap rhetoric through and through, not even Bill Clinton at his worst could match it. Of course, the true believers chorus "Yea, verily", and are impressed by the fire and brimstone; and the anon crowd always chimes in after a respectful delay...
Yea, verily. Surely Kent you are not claiming that the founding fathers would have considered it right to stand by passively and allow the government to pass laws allowing them to intrude on citizens private communications and stored data? And your implied contention that the congress proponents of GAK are entitled to freely propose such legislation is flawed in two ways: 1. Elected poloticians do not have totally unrestricted free speech, this is because they are employees of the state and are bound by contract. You would not expect a senator to last long if he stood on the steps of congress and loudly proclaimed "kill all the niggers". This very same contract also involved their swearing an oath to uphold the constitution, hence proposing or voting for unconstitutional laws is a breach of this contract. 2. Further, the speech of elected officials can directly infringe the rights of citizens within their jurisdiction, a congress-critter proposing a GAK system or speaking in favour of a compulsory GAK bill is shouting fire in a crowded theatre, it is not pure speech. Datacomms Technologies data security Paul Bradley, Paul@fatmans.demon.co.uk Paul@crypto.uk.eu.org, Paul@cryptography.uk.eu.org Http://www.cryptography.home.ml.org/ Email for PGP public key, ID: FC76DA85 "Don`t forget to mount a scratch monkey"