[Tsc] Fwd: Labeling OGSA as a 'flag ship architecture
David Snelling
David.Snelling at uk.fujitsu.com
Tue Aug 15 18:04:06 CDT 2006
Folks,
This mail was sent to me privately, but I feel it highlights one of
several issues we all already know form part of our work. We have a
number of options wrt how to address this issue, and we need to
choose one. Talk to you on Thursday.
Begin forwarded message:
> From: Tony DiCenzo <tony.dicenzo at oracle.com>
> Date: 8 August 2006 17:01:11 GMT-07:00
> To: David Snelling <David.Snelling at uk.fujitsu.com>
> Cc: Kantarjiev CHRISTOPHER A <CHRIS.KANTARJIEV at oracle.com>
> Subject: Re: Labeling OGSA as a 'flag ship architecture
> Reply-To: tony.dicenzo at oracle.com
>
> Dave,
>
> Chris Kantarjiev shared the minutes of the TSG meeting with me. I'm
> delighted that it's moving forward in a timely fashion and I think
> you are making good decisions in guiding it.
>
> But I do have one concern, that being the idea of labeling OGSA a
> 'flag ship architecture'.
>
> It's clear OGSA is a primary architecture and a major reason many
> members are involved. No issue with that. There are many former
> members of BOTh EGA and GGF who are interested in where OGSA goes,
> and who are interested in understanding the relationship of OGSA to
> the EGA reference Model and to emerging standard. But there are
> those who are not employing it and would have major issues with it
> being designated as the 'Flag ship' architecture, even if a few
> other architectures were focused on. To say the emotions run hot is
> an understatement.
>
> I think you need to know that at the very first meeting of the GGF
> and EGA to discuss the merger Mark pre-empted a major issue when he
> said 'We're aware that EGA doesn't OGSA thrown down it's throat,
> and we will take that off the table'. He went on to say that he
> believed there were GGF members as well as EGA members who were not
> OGSA supporters. They were not opposed to OGSA per se, but not
> focused on adopting it as their architecture.
>
> The understanding inherent in the merger agreement, while not
> written down specifically, is that OGSA would not be positioned as
> the flag ship architecture. Doing so would be a slap in the face
> and a total move away from the merger agreement.
>
> I'm sure you will discuss this with Mark. I encourage you to do so.
> You might also want to discuss it with John Tollefsrud, Jay Unger,
> and others who were on the merger team. I also encourage you to
> help the TSG understand that OGSA can remain a primary
> architectural focus without drawing a line in the sand that I
> expect would lead to members not renewing their memberships.
>
> I strongly recommend moving away from that idea.
>
> Very best regards,
>
> Tony
> _______________________________________
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Snelling [mailto:David.Snelling at uk.fujitsu.com]
> Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 5:41 AM
> To: David Snelling; Steven Newhouse; Andre Merzky; Geoffrey Fox;
> Robert
> Fogel; Hanoch Eiron; Ian Foster; Chris Kantarjiev; Tom Maguire; Joel
> Replogle
> Subject: Welcome to the OGF Technical Strategy Committee
>
>
> Folks,
>
> Welcome aboard. This is the first official communication of the Open
> Grid Forum's Technical Strategy Committee.
>
> Introductions:
>
> Chair: David Snelling
> Standards Representative: Steven Newhouse
> Operations Representative: Andre Merzky
> Research Representative: Geoffery Fox
> Enterprise Representative: Robert Fogel
> Marketing Representative: Hanoch Eiron
> At large 1: Ian Foster
> At large 2: Chris Kantarjiev
> At large 3: Tom Maguire
> Facilitator: Joel Replogle
>
> Where we stand:
>
> This membership still needs official sanction by the board, but we
> need to start work and will assume that things will proceed without
> complications. Joel, will be creating a mailing list for us to use.
> This list will be closed for both posting and receiving, but will be
> archived publicly. If anybody has a problem with this strategy,
> please let me know.
>
> What we need to do:
>
> There are a lot of tasks we could pick up, but one is rather urgent
> and important. We need to create a Draft Technical Strategy and
> Roadmap for the Open Grid Forum. This document would be for both
> internal steering and external consumption. As these two uses are
> somewhat at odds, I would propose that we aim to write the steering
> document and let our marketing machine filter it for public
> consumption.
>
> Draft Technical Strategy and Roadmap Document:
>
> There are several bits of background information associated with the
> development of this document. The first is a task (called simply the
> "Standards Project") initiated by Mark and a number of the GFAC to
> attempt to understand where we are with respect to a number of issues
> and questions surrounding the Open Grid Services Architecture, the
> convergence of Standards for stateful Web Services, etc.. The latest
> draft of this plan is attached. It includes a number of actions, one
> of which is the inauguration of this committee.
>
> One of the other steps in the Standards Project was executing a
> survey of the community on these issues. I have attached the slide
> deck containing the main outputs. The key points I pull from these
> results are the following:
>
> - The community is willing to support a Flag Ship Architecture, as
> long as we remain open to other ideas.
> - OGSA is well aligned with what people consider the top priority
> specifications.
>
> Note these conclusions are not without controversy, but to quote Jay
> Unger, "It is only a strategy if half the people disagree!"
>
> In the Standards Council F2F a week and a half ago, we discussed the
> need for a Technical Strategy and Roadmap Document, so some people
> have already had input in to the attached outline. Also, the week
> before that the OGF management committee met with the OGSA leadership
> to refine these ideas.
>
> Document Outline (Very Drafty):
>
> From Wikipedia: A strategy is a long term plan of action designed to
> achieve a particular goal, as differentiated from tactics or
> immediate actions with resources at hand.
>
> Therefore, we (OGF) need a goal before we can get started. As a
> result of discussions in the above meetings, we developed a simple
> goal, as it turns out modeled on Kennedy's Moon Shot speech. The Goal
> I propose we start with is therefore:
>
> The Open Grid Froum should commit all its available resources
> to the goal, that before this decade is out, commercial and academic
> organizations will build real operational grids using OGSA based
> components!
>
> The attached HTML file contains some more content and a draft outline
> of the proposed strategy document. [NB: This HTML file was exported
> from a mind mapping tool I am using and would recommend to you all,
> see freemind.sourceforge.net].
>
> I will need lots of help turning this outline into a document.
>
> Other useful links:
>
> The OGSA current roadmap document: https://forge.gridforum.org/sf/go/
> doc13558?nav=1
> The living charter web site (a kind of roadmap for the whole
> organization): Joel will tell us where this is, as I can't find the
> link any more.
>
>
> Meetings:
>
> I would like to avoid F2F meetings as much as possible, but we have
> work to do and it is holiday season all the way up to GridWorld.
> Therefore, the first telecon will be at 14:00 GMT (15:00 BST; 10:00
> EDT) on Thursday September 17th. The pass code is 2051278 and a list
> of numbers is attached. I am on holiday for the next week and a half,
> but will occasionally look at email.
>
> Actions:
>
> Joel: Set up the mailing list based on this email.
> All: Come up to speed on the content of this mail and its attachments.
> Anyone: Volunteer to wordsmith sections of the document.
> Joel: Post the link to all living charter information.
> All: Dial in to the call on September 17th.
>
> Anyway, sorry for the initial workload, I hope it will tail off a bit
> once we get started.
>
> --
>
> Take care:
>
> Dr. David Snelling < David . Snelling . UK . Fujitsu . com >
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>
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Take care:
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