[Pgi-wg] No PGI TelCon today

[Morris Riedel]

Hi,

>- I'm sure this was a mistake...


Well, recalling the significant participation in the group (e.g. phone calls, OGF sessions) from the last six month we clearly identified ARC, gLite, UNICORE, GENESIS, & EDGES (i.e. a certain amount of technologies) as the 'interested active parties' while other mw have been informed, but for whatever reason are so far not interested in the sense of active telcon participation on a weekly basis.  This is of course, very independent from the chair business and the m/w technology that they represent since they are neutral -  but as I said it's about the progress and agreement between the 'interested voices', otherwise we keep moving in circles or develop a standard that might be not broadly adopted.


However, no doubt that PGI is interesting for others - and of course PGI does not only take ARC, gLite, UNICORE voices into account, but they represent currently 60% in the calls over a long period of time and they clearly have driven this activity first outside OGF and then with slower pace inside OGF. Nevertheless, any other voice showing active participation in PGI is very welcome and will be clearly taken into account.


Let's stick to real facts in PGI and hope for better progress after the vacation period!


Take care,
Morris 




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>------Original Message-----
>-From: Steven Newhouse [mailto:Steven.Newhouse at cern.ch]
>-Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 1:29 PM
>-To: Riedel, Morris; pgi-wg at ogf.org
>-Subject: RE: [Pgi-wg] No PGI TelCon today
>-
>-Hi Morris,
>-
>-> That might be the case, but take into account that it's vacation time,
>-> at least in Europe - and the rather more important group argument
>-> should be that there are not enough significant 'voices' today to make
>-> decisions or even meaningful progress.
>-
>-Sure... but there was no call on the mailing list to see if anyone would be
>-available for a call, or if there was anyone else available who could lead the
>-call. The WG chairs do not have to lead every call, they are certainly
>-expected to drive progress within the group.
>-
>-> There is no point to have an agreement w/o gLite, UNICORE, ARC.
>-
>-While I agree with this... (with my EGEE hat on) there are also other groups
>-involved in this WG and it is VERY worrying (with my OGF hat on) that a
>-WG chair should make a statement that only a particular technologies have
>-an 'important' voice in an activity.
>-
>-I'm sure this was a mistake...
>-
>-> If this group is really following a collaborative process, we should
>-> have a voice from everybody who is interested - and when we not wait
>-> for one or more interested voices in terms of  'just-going-forward-
>-> with-meaningless-decisions' - that would be not a WIN/WIN game in the
>-> end that we want to achieve in the group.
>-
>-Which it seems to be from this statement...
>-
>-Regards,
>-
>-Steven
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