[ogsa-wg] OGSA-MWS-BOF at GGF14 on Tues June 28, noon-1:30

[Ian Foster]

Marty:

Thanks, that makes a lot of sense. And Mark puts it nicely: poetically, 
even (-:

Ian.

At 10:28 AM 6/21/2005 -0400, Marty Humphrey wrote:
>Hi Ian et. al.,
>
>A very good question! ("can you define the goals of the BOF more precisely
>other than "not WSRF"?) I sent this email in part to hear from the community
>how "broad" they might like it to be. That is, we're being flexible. If
>someone wants to talk about one of these specific topics, we will certainly
>try our best to accommodate.
>
>Note that by default I believe the discussions will center around
>WS-Transfer, WS-Enumeration, WS-Eventing, et. al. I will talk about my
>team's use of WS-Transfer, WS-Enumeration, and WS-Eventing. I think we're in
>a very good position to discuss the pros and cons of these specs as compared
>with WSRF (as our project has implemented/used both).
>
>Let me answer the question in a different way. GGF Chair Mark Linesch said
>recently: "Our approach with the OGSA architecture along with our
>collaborative work on OGSA profiles is to: (1) describe 'the most traveled
>paths through the forest' rather than to dictate that there is only one
>path; and (2) to continue to highlight that multiple, overlapping paths may
>not be in the interests of the industry over time"
>(http://news.taborcommunications.com/msgget.jsp?mid=403500&xsl=story.xsl)
>Simply, we believe that there has been sufficient "hallway discussions" on
>BOTH (1) and (2) that it makes good sense to gather people to discuss BOTH
>of these topics in a realistic and productive way.
>
>- Marty
>
>Marty Humphrey
>Assistant Professor
>Department of Computer Science
>University of Virginia
>
>
>________________________________________
>From: Ian Foster [mailto:foster at mcs.anl.gov]
>Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 9:54 AM
>To: Marty Humphrey; 'Ogsa-Wg'
>Cc: 'Marty Humphrey'
>Subject: Re: [ogsa-wg] OGSA-MWS-BOF at GGF14 on Tues June 28, noon-1:30
>
>Marty, Steven:
>
>It is of course feasible, in principle, to define many different profiles
>for OGSA. E.g., one could build one on WS-Transfer and friends, one could
>build one that uses a different construct than the WS-Addressing EPR to
>address things, one could define one that uses JINI mechanisms, one could
>define one that uses CORBA, one could define one that renames all of the
>current WSRF and WS-Notification calls to be slightly different (oh wait,
>that's the first in the list (-: ), etc.
>
>Given the wide variety of possible alternative profiles, it would be helpful
>for those like me who are considering attending the BOF to know what more
>specifically what the goal of this work is going to be. The name doesn't
>provide any information, other than to imply, perhaps, that the interfaces
>on which the WSRF profile builds are not in some manner "minimal" and/or
>"simple." I.e., can you define the goals of the BOF more precisely other
>than "not WSRF"?
>
>Regards -- Ian.
>
>At 09:11 AM 6/21/2005 -0400, Marty Humphrey wrote:
>
>Folks,
>
>There have been a number of informal conversations lately about the
>feasibility/value/implications of a possible non-WSRF-based profile for
>OGSA.
>
>To bring all interested parties together at the same time, a BOF has been
>scheduled for Tuesday June 28 noon-1:30 (unfortunately at the same time as
>the EGA session, but there were no good times available). The agenda is
>still being finalized, but we expect to broadly discuss the pros/cons of
>such an effort, and, if the BOF attendees decide that such an effort would
>be valuable, produce a concrete plan for the formation of a Working Group.
>
>Here is the information that Steven Newhouse provided for the GGF
>organizers:
>
>"A BOF meeting to discuss the creation of a WG to define an OGSA Basic
>Profile that builds upon a minimal set of simple web services. The output of
>the group would be a document, similar in nature to the OGSA WSRF Basic
>Profile that would allow OGSA services to be rendered using an alternative
>set of WS specifications."
>
>I hope you can attend this (hopefully) productive and constructive session!
>
>-- Marty and Steven
>
>Marty Humphrey
>Assistant Professor
>Department of Computer Science
>University of Virginia
>_______________________________________________________________
>Ian Foster                    www.mcs.anl.gov/~foster
>Math & Computer Science Div.  Dept of Computer Science
>Argonne National Laboratory   The University of Chicago
>Argonne, IL 60439, U.S.A.     Chicago, IL 60637, U.S.A.
>Tel: 630 252 4619             Fax: 630 252 1997
>         Globus Alliance, www.globus.org

_______________________________________________________________
Ian Foster                    www.mcs.anl.gov/~foster
Math & Computer Science Div.  Dept of Computer Science
Argonne National Laboratory   The University of Chicago
Argonne, IL 60439, U.S.A.     Chicago, IL 60637, U.S.A.
Tel: 630 252 4619             Fax: 630 252 1997
         Globus Alliance, www.globus.org
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: http://www.ogf.org/pipermail/ogsa-wg/attachments/20050621/08fd7612/attachment.htm