[ogsa-wg] OGSA-EMS Meeting Agenda (2005-01-17)

[David Snelling]

Folks,

I'm with Hiro here. The first Basic EMS Candidate Profile should be  
very minimal. I would say

	1) JSDL - Yes.
	2) A New Job Submit WSDL spec - Yes
	3) A Job Management WSDL spec - would be nice, but to do it right we  
need WSDM first.
	4) WS-Agreement as an optional add on - I'm still not certain here.

Remember this first EMS Candidate Profile must be an Informational  
document since (2 & 3) above don't even exist and (1 & 4) are not yet  
stable.

On 16 Jan 2005, at 6:46, Hiro Kishimoto wrote:

> Hi Ian, Ravi,
>
> I think Basic EM profile provide very simple job submission  
> functionality
> based on the evolving specifications (plus OGSA basic profile).
>
> The evolving specifications, IMHO, are the WS-agreement and the JSDL
> spec. The WS-agreement defines protocol and XML envelope and
> the JSDL spec defines actual terms/attributes of document.
>
> The WS-Agreement is developed by GRAAP-WG and is now under
> public comment review.
>
> https://forge.gridforum.org/forum/forum.php?forum_id=461
>
> JSDL spec is now under developing by JSDL-WG and will be submit to
> GGF editor (at latest) before GGF13.
>
> https://forge.gridforum.org/projects/jsdl-wg/document/draft-ggf-jsdl- 
> spec/en
> /11
>
> Also WSDL style API for Job manager is nice to have. But IFAIK the
> API discussion is at the very early stage.
>
> Hope it helps,
> ----
> Hiro Kishimoto
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ian Foster [mailto:foster at mcs.anl.gov]
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> Subramaniam,
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> Subject: Re: [ogsa-wg] OGSA-EMS Meeting Agenda (2005-01-17)
>
> Ravi:
>
> You've asked to pointers to relevant standards, but to first order  
> there aren't
> any. That does make me wonder whether it is even possible to have a  
> meaningful
> conversation about an EMS interoperability profile at this time, given  
> that a
> profile is supposed to document an established use of established  
> standards.
>
> I believe that the interfaces developed by the Globus team for GT4  
> GRAM are
> relevant to an EMS discussion, in that they represent the result of an  
> intensive
> effort to develop WSRF-based job management interfaces.
>
> Documentation is at:
> http://www-unix.globus.org/toolkit/docs/development/3.9.4/execution/ 
> wsgram/
>
> The concepts are described here:
> http://www-unix.globus.org/toolkit/docs/development/3.9.4/execution/ 
> key/WS_GRAM_
> Approach.html
>
> And some of the interfaces here:
> http://www-unix.globus.org/toolkit/docs/development/3.9.4/execution/ 
> wsgram/WS_GR
> AM_Public_Interfaces.html
>
> Regards,
>
> Ian.
>
>
> At 11:14 PM 1/14/2005 -0800, Subramaniam, Ravi wrote:
>
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> Here is the agenda for this Mondays teleconference. As agreed at the  
> last F2F we
> will be focusing on developing an EMS interoperability profile. We  
> will use the
> Draft Profile template (Tom, Dave) as a reference (attached for you
> convenience). We encourage persons who are active in relevant GGF and  
> other
> standard organization WG and people who are very familiar with relevant
> standards to attend these meetings to provide the right and informed
> perspectives and inputs.
>
>
>
> If you would be willing to educate the rest of the participants on one  
> or more
> applicable standards that you are very familiar with please let me  
> know and I
> can schedule some time. These would be brief overviews that would lead  
> to more
> detailed discussions in future as we narrow on the appropriate set.
>
> Please send me pointers to definitive documentation on any standards  
> that you
> feel should be part of the EMS profile. I will compile these as  
> references for
> those who need to delve deeper.
>
>
>
> Dial-In
>
>
>
> Date: January 17th, 2005 (Monday)
>
> Time: 5 7 PM (CST)
>
>
>
> The dial-in number for Monday
>
>   Free: +1-866-639-4741
>
>   Toll: +1-574-935-6703
>
>   PIN:  8980700
>
>
>
> Screen share service will be provided.
>
>   URL:         http://ogsa.glance.net
>
>   Session key: 0117
>
>
>
> See more explanation:
>
> http://www-unix.gridforum.org/mail_archive/ogsa-wg/2004/06/ 
> msg00077.html
>
>
>
> Agenda:
>
>
> 1. Roll Call (5 mins)
> 2. Agenda Bashing (10 mins)
> 3. Ratification of previous minutes (5 mins)
> 4. EMS profile discussion (tentative) (90 mins)
> 1. Catalog applicable standards
> 2. Review known standards wrt to the architecture
> 3. Identify initial set
> 5. Opens and wrap up. (10 mins)
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
> Ravi
> _______________________________________________________________
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