[ogsa-wg] GGF-DMTF Work Register
Hiro Kishimoto
hiro.kishimoto at jp.fujitsu.com
Tue Aug 2 05:49:20 CDT 2005
Hi Tom,
Thank you very much for your Milestone proposal.
I will make no objection about this proposal but have some
reservations.
Even though CIM is the most promising and widely adopted resource model
in the world, OGSA-WG is still discussing our strategic direction of
resource modeling. Reasonable work process is something like:
(1) Determine the strategic direction including resource model
selection (CIM?).
(2) List up and prioritize requirements on models.
(3) Ask external experts to fulfill each requirement.
Since we will make (3) in parallel with (1) and (2), I see two risks;
(a) We ask DMTF and they make it on time (Feb. 2006) but we are not
ready to utilize them at that time or end up using only small part of
their work, or
(b) We ask DMTF and they ask us back which is the highest priority
item since our request is broad range. But we cannot answer until
we sort out (1) and (2).
So, I propose not to specify deadline request for this milestone from
us. Instead Let DMTF say when they might be ready with this work item.
Then OGSA and DMTF discuss priority together.
And specific question/comment follows;
> The DMTF will define and publicize abstract wsdl:portType for
> classes inthe CIM model (February 2006)
Do you ask all of CIM classes (there are tons of them) or small number
of subset?
> Each 'extrinsic' operation on a CIM class will be modeled
What is 'extrinsic' operation?
> as a wsdl:operation
> Properties of the CIM class which are rendered in XML
> schema (detailed in previous deliverable) will be
What is "previous deliverable"? Is it wsdl:operation (above line) or
namespace and XML schema (previous paragraph)?
> available throughthe wsdl:types section
> It is envisioned that some set of qualifiers will be mapped to xml
> schema and wsdl constructs. The specifics of this mapping are
> viewed as explicitly part of the work to render the model. As such
> GGF has no specific requirements at this time but may have
> requirements as the workproduct develops.
> The intent of this deliverable is to make available a set of
> standard wsdl:portTypes representing the CIM modeled aspect of
> classes (extrinsics and properties only). It is envisioned that
> these portTypes will be mixed in with additional capabilities from
> Grid disciplines to support Basic Execution Services, Data
> Virtualization and other areas as they are developed.
p.s.
Since WS-CIM call this week is canceled, we have time to think it over.
Thanks,
-----
Hiro Kishimoto
Tom Maguire wrote:
> Folks,
> On the OGSA-WG telecon 8/1 I took an AI to add a milestone/deliverable to
> the GGF-DMTF Work Register. Specifically, the milestone reflects the
> urgent desire of the OGSA-WG to have a normative WSDL for classes expressed
> in the CIM schema. This milestone builds on the current addition to the
> work register from OGSA-D; namely the namespace and xml schema for the
> properties of CIM classes. The addition to the work register being
> proposed is as follows:
>
> The DMTF will define and publicize abstract wsdl:portType for classes in
> the CIM model (February 2006)
> Each 'extrinsic' operation on a CIM class will be modeled as a
> wsdl:operation
> Properties of the CIM class which are rendered in XML schema
> (detailed in previous deliverable) will be available through
> the wsdl:types section
> It is envisioned that some set of qualifiers will be mapped to xml
> schema and wsdl constructs. The specifics of this mapping are viewed as
> explicitly part of the work to render the model. As such GGF has no
> specific requirements at this time but may have requirements as the work
> product develops.
> The intent of this deliverable is to make available a set of standard
> wsdl:portTypes representing the CIM modeled aspect of classes
> (extrinsics and properties only). It is envisioned that these portTypes
> will be mixed in with additional capabilities from Grid disciplines to
> support Basic Execution Services, Data Virtualization and other areas as
> they are developed.
>
> Note: Abstract wsdl:portType refers to wsdl:portType definitions without
> bindings.
>
> OGSA-WG members please give me your feedback and edits ASAP.
>
> Tom
>
>
>
> Frey’s Law: “Every 5 years the number of architecture components double and
> the ability to comprehend them halves”
>
>
> Perfection is achieved, not when there is nothing more to add, but when
> there is nothing left to take away. – Antoine de Saint-Exupery
>
>
> T o m M a g u i r e
>
>
> STSM, On Demand Architecture
>
>
> Poughkeepsie, NY 12601
>
> owner-ogsa-wg at ggf.org wrote on 07/29/2005 07:40:26 PM:
>
>
>>Hi all,
>>
>>Tom Roney, GGF forum-level liaison to DMTF, ask us to review
>>updated GGF-DMTF Work Register document. OGSA-WG already has
>>dialogue with DMTF folks and I think this document is consistent
>>with our on going activity.
>>
>>Thus I would like to put this item into next Monday call agenda.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>--
>>Hiro Kishimoto
>>
>>----- Message from Tom Roney <troney at ncsa.uiuc.edu> on Tue, 26 Jul
>>2005 09:23:32 -0500 -----
>>
>>To:
>>
>>mark.linesch at hp.com, hiro.kishimoto at jp.fujitsu.com, tmaguire at us.ibm.
>>com, fred-m at crl.hitachi.co.jp, malaika at us.ibm.com, norm at cs.man.ac.
>>uk, dave.pearson at oracle.com, dejan.milojicic at hp.com, tkojo at mvi.
>>biglobe.ne.jp, eboyd at internet2.edu, rich at a3.ph.man.ac.uk, M.J.
>>Leese at dl.ac.uk, david.wallom at bristol.ac.uk, jputley at earthlink.net,
>>lfm at psc.edu, Shoshani at lbl.gov, pkunszt at mail.cern.ch, Jon.
>>Crowcroft at cl.cam.ac.uk, travos at nortelnetworks.com, mulmo at pdc.kth.se,
>>dane at fnal.gov, asm100 at doc.ic.ac.uk, darrenp at cadence.com, ali at epcc.
>>ed.ac.uk, dder at ecs.soton.ac.uk, carole at cs.man.ac.uk
>>
>>cc:
>>
>>Tom <troney at ncsa.uiuc.edu>
>>
>>Subject:
>>
>>GGF-DMTF Work Register
>>
>>
>>All,
>>
>>Attached is a draft of the GGF-DMTF Work Register, a document
>>describing the collaboration between the two organizations. You
>>are receiving a copy of the draft because your name appears in the
>>document as having some role in the collaboration. Please review
>>the document and let me hear back from you, either accepting the
>>document in its entirety, or requesting additions, subtractions,
>>or modifications to the document. The final draft will then be
>>presented to the GGF Steering Group and the DMTF Board for their
>>comments and approval.
>>
>>Your careful consideration is appreciated. If you are aware of
>>a GGF working group not listed but having a role to play in this
>>collaborative effort, please do make this known.
>>
>>Tom
>>
>> Note: It occurs to me now that I have forgotten the
>> Semantic Grid Research Group. Listed as co-chairs
>> will be David De Roure and Carole Goble.
>>
>>[attachment "GGF-DMTFWorkRegisterDraft.doc" deleted by Tom
>>Maguire/Hawthorne/IBM]
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