[OGSA-BES-WG] re-evaluate removal of container model from BESspec appendix

[Hiro Kishimoto]

Hi all,

I would keep this informative appendix in the BES spec.
As Ellen explained, this appendix is an important tool to ask
DMTF to extend/adjust their CIM model to meet BES needs.

Thus it will be the first success example of OGSA
information/data modeling works by healthy collaboration
between OGF and DMTF.

Since this appendix is *informative*, the overview section
should read:

> The Container Model describes the managed objects and their
> relationships for defining the execution environment for activities in a
> grid. The CIMv2.10 final schema is the foundation for the development of
> this model. It is expected that this model will be folded into CIMv2.12
> preliminary. This appendix is informative.

Thanks,
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Hiro Kishimoto

Maguire_Tom at emc.com wrote:
> I'm usually one of the first to suggest removing non-normative text from a
> specification.  However, I don't understand why an appendix of this nature
> is so objectionable.  Sure it could be a separate info document, but is it
> that horrific to have an appendix that describes extensions/utilizations of
> a standard information model for containers?
> 
> Tom 
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> I have not heard a dissenting vote yet. Anyone out there?
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> From: ogsa-bes-wg-bounces at ogf.org [mailto:ogsa-bes-wg-bounces at ogf.org] On
> Behalf Of Christopher Smith
> Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 4:03 PM
> To: Ian Foster; Ellen Stokes; Andrew Grimshaw; ogsa-bes-wg at ogf.org
> Subject: Re: [OGSA-BES-WG] re-evaluate removal of container model from BES
> spec appendix
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> +1
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> -- Chris
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> On 27/9/06 07:51, "Ian Foster" <foster at mcs.anl.gov> wrote:
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> I'd like to argue strongly against this. As I said earlier, I think this is
> good material and I don't have any objection to it being published as an
> OGSA informational document. I just don't think it belongs in a BES
> specification, which should contain the minimum information needed to
> specify BES.
> 
> Ian.
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> At 09:49 AM 9/27/2006 -0500, Ellen Stokes wrote:
> 
> Andrew, 
> 
> Per our discussion at the OGSA F2F Sep 14, I'd like the workgroup to
> re-evaluate the decision to remove the (general) container model from the
> BES specification appendix. 
> 
> The intent of this appendix is to provide the container model as an
> 'informational' appendix so it can be submitted to DMTF as concrete proposal
> for inclusion in the DMTF CIM and a context for why a container model is
> necessary. 
> 
> The inclusion of the model in the BES spec does not imply that OGSA must
> implement this CIM container model to implement BES; it is merely an
> abstraction for a general container model where BES can provide context for
> the need and implementation of a specific container model.  If this point
> doesn't come across in the appendix text, I have no problem modifying the
> text. 
> 
> I know the BES calls are generally scheduled for Thursdays; however, I am
> not available this Thursday Sep 28. 
> Let me know when this topic can be scheduled as part of BES workgroup call. 
> 
> Ellen 
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> Ellen Stokes
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