[occi-wg] Deadline for consensus

[Alexis Richardson]

The deadline we set last week was to bring that formats discussion to
a close.  That is not the same as making a decision.



On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 3:54 PM, Sam Johnston <samj at samj.net> wrote:
> On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 4:23 PM, Roger Menday <roger.menday at uk.fujitsu.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Sam,
>>
>> not to undervalue your hard work, but in my opinion I don't think we will
>> be able to make a decision this week. We don't have all the time in the
>> world, but I don't fancy rushing a decision on this one.
>
> If you're right and we can't make a decision this week (bearing in mind that
> all the information we need to make it is already on the table) then I fear
> we'll not be able to make a decision at all. It certainly wouldn't be the
> first working group to lose inertia after getting caught up in a religious
> debate and it won't be the last, but we need to draw the line somewhere and
> get on with the job. Public perception aside, it's important that we don't
> miss the only opportunity we have to gather information from an OGF event
> rather than wasting even more of everyone's time.
>
> What more do you need for us to get out of this rut because I'm beginning to
> lose faith... what started as something I was proud to be involved in is
> fast becoming an embarassment.
>
> Sam
>
>>
>> All,
>>
>> As you know our already extended deadline for the formats discussion
>> passed on Friday. Thijs is now in the unfortunate position of having to
>> explain why we will miss our first self-assigned deliverable deadline (an
>> implementable draft) on Thursday and I know well how it feels to have to
>> stand in front of an audience with nothing to say, having done so twice last
>> week (it's only with a big "personal vision only" disclaimer that I was able
>> to say anything at the Cloud Computing Expos).
>>
>> Iff we can come to consensus about the format today (or at the very latest
>> tomorrow) then we need not watch another deadline sail by and in doing so
>> risk being declared a failure prematurely. Indeed if we can't achieve even a
>> loose consensus after all the discussion then I may well be the first to say
>> so - my time (and travel!) budget for OCCI has already been well exceeded
>> and the irrelevant RF vs RAND discussion has tested what's left of my
>> patience. Please focus on the task at hand and if you have any specific
>> issues about the latest proposal then raise them sooner rather than later -
>> I've put considerable effort into optimising Atom out for the most common
>> use case (individual resources) over the weekend and by shifting metadata to
>> HTTP headers the resulting descriptor format is far simpler than even I
>> would have thought possible - see APIDesign for examples.
>>
>> On the subject of rolling our own protocol from scratch, I for one am
>> dismissing the suggestion for reasons previously explained. I don't think
>> this group has (nor needs) what it takes to implement an Internet protocol
>> from the ground up and any attempt to do so would be fraught with danger,
>> not to mention completely unnecessary given the corpus of work done by
>> others at the IETF (who are geared up for such tasks).
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Sam
>>
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