[occi-wg] Is OCCI the HTTP of Cloud Computing?

[Alexis Richardson]

I'd like to see Ben involved too.

Chris, if you think we have a choice to make please could you describe
the options we have to choose from in more detail.



On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 3:34 PM, Chris Webb <chris.webb at elastichosts.com> wrote:
> Sam Johnston <samj at samj.net> quotes Ben Black:
>
>> I'm hoping there is more to the various decisions than is outlined in this
>> post. "Everyone is doing it" is illustrative, but not convincing.
>>
>> XML drags along an awful lot of baggage, which has resulted in many folks
>> using lighter-weight formats like JSON. ATOM, in turns, lards still more
>> baggage into the mix, again, without any clear advantage in this
>> application. Finally, OAuth is very much in flux, as the recent security
>> incident makes painfully clear, and, once again, its compelling advantage in
>> this scenario is not covered above.
> [...]
>> The onus is on you to justify the additional complexity. Rejecting simpler
>> solutions because they are unfamiliar is dangerous.
> [...]
>> Enterprises currently use a lot of XML because that is what vendors like
>> Microsoft foisted on them in the name of "standards". If you adopt all the
>> existing validation and security stack for XML, you are so close to WS-* as
>> to be indistinguishable. This work will fail if all it does is produce
>> "WS-Cloud", and that is very much the path on which you are placing it with
>> these choices. You can do better.
> [...]
>> [It is] a lot harder to make poor, structural decisions using [json]
>
> It's a great shame Ben hasn't joined the occi-wg so far. I'd like to put on
> the record my strong agreement with his points quoted above. I share his
> horror at the idea of accessing a simple API to a simple service via two
> layers of complex container formats, and agree that there has been no
> technical argument for this other than vague and thoroughly unconvincing
> references to 'enterprise users' and 'extensibility'.
>
> That said, our view is that this OCCI process will take place with or
> without us, and by actively taking part we can at least try to argue against
> some of the more extraordinary aberrations from clean design. For the same
> reason, I'd like to encourage Ben to get involved directly going forward.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Chris.
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