[GRAAP-WG] How to continue with the mini-spec: Re:New Pages/ Usage Scenarios Glossaries

[Toshiyuki Nakata]

Hi:
Probably I should be explaining what I am trying to do.

Thanks to the discussion on the mailing list in August, many 
points which need to be resolved are becoming clearer.

Unfortunately, I don't have the answers to most of the points, and I
currently lack the time / effort 
to delve into deep investigation..

OTOH I don't want to leave the  micro-spec to be uncompleted and  for more
realistic discussion felt that  
blue-print ( or template if you like) of the spec would be needed.

I am (very slowly) compiling the blue-print (based on the WS-Agreement
Spec).
In order to handle my limited English vocabulary, I am borrowing quite a bit
of WS-Agreement Spec, 
so would expect the document to be authored by the original authors and any
new contributors. 

Comments on how to proceed as well as improving the content is very much
welcome.
Also, for the glossary, I've included terms which had been defined in the
original WS-Agreement Spec 
and is referred in the new spec. Is this necessary? or would citing
WS-Agreement be enough?

Best Regards
Toshi
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Toshiyuki Nakata 中田　登志之
Executive Chief Engineer, Central Research Lab. NEC
1753, Shimonumabe, Nakahara-Ku,
Kawasaki,Kanagawa 211-8666,Japan
Tel +81-44-431-7653 (NEC Internal 22-60035)
Fax +81-44-431-7609 (NEC Internal 22-60509)
 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Toshiyuki Nakata [mailto:t-nakata at cw.jp.nec.com] 
> Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 4:35 PM
> To: 'Toshiyuki Nakata'
> Cc: 'GRAAP-WG'
> Subject: New Pages/ Usage Scenarios　Glossaries.
> 
> Hi: I've updated the Wishlist page
> https://forge.gridforum.org/sf/wiki/do/viewPage/projects.graap
> -wg/wiki/ReNeg
> otiationWishlists
>  to add pointers to Usage Scenarios
> https://forge.gridforum.org/sf/wiki/do/viewPage/projects.graap
> -wg/wiki/Usage
> Scenarios
> and Glossary
> https://forge.gridforum.org/sf/wiki/do/viewPage/projects.graap
> -wg/wiki/Gloss
> aryPage
> 
> #I'm afraid I hadn't noticed the naming convention of the wiki. 
> #I probably  need to put a prefix on the newer pages so that 
> there won't be
> name conflicts.
> #Does anyone know of how to rename already established ones?
> 
> 
> Comments very much welcome.
> 
> I'm afraid I won't be able to participate in OGF21 due to schedule
> c[lr]ashes but 
> hope to respond on the wiki / mailing lists.
> 
> Best Regards
> Toshi
> -----
> Toshiyuki Nakata 中田　登志之
> Executive Chief Engineer, Central Research Lab. NEC
> 1753, Shimonumabe, Nakahara-Ku,
> Kawasaki,Kanagawa 211-8666,Japan
> Tel +81-44-431-7653 (NEC Internal 22-60035)
> Fax +81-44-431-7609 (NEC Internal 22-60509)
>  
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Toshiyuki Nakata [mailto:t-nakata at cw.jp.nec.com] 
> > Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 9:31 AM
> > To: 'Dominic Battre'
> > Cc: 'GRAAP-WG'
> > Subject: RE: [GRAAP-WG] Modification to the wiki Page on 
> > Renegotiating an established Agreement
> > 
> > Hi: Dominic：
> > Thank you very much for your thoughtful comments.
> > I'll just address the first one. For the rest, please give me 
> > some time.
> > 
> > >ad "New EPR or re-write the current WS-AG document?" 
> > >during the renegotiation the agreement is in some kind of 
> > intermediate
> > change (i.e. it might be in a proposed
> > > new status that is not yet accepted by the other party), 
> > don't we need a
> > new EPR for that? 
> > 
> > The reason that I wanted to re-write the current WS-AG rather 
> > than a new EPR
> > was that one could never know
> > who might be using the old EPR. In a complex scenario like the one I
> > mentioned in Business Grid Computing case or
> > some  broker case, old EPR might be propagated to other 
> > parties who would be
> > using it.
> > So I thought that it would not be realistic to assure that 
> > the NEW EPR would
> > be propagated to all the 
> > bodies who might be referring to the old EPR.
> > 
> > On the other hand, re-writing the current WS-AG document kept by the
> > Agreement Responder does cause
> > a serious race condition when the AR is the requestor for 
> > modifying the
> > Agreement.
> > (ie. it must be re-written only after the AI says he agrees, 
> > but when?)  
> > 
> > >What would the ResourceProperties (e.g. the SDTs or GTs) 
> > look like in the
> > intermediate state? (DB, 2007/08/22) 
> > I am assuming that the service (under the old SLA) is still 
> > being provided
> > even while the renegotiation is going on.
> > (If the service is stopped, then we don't need 
> renegotiation. We just
> > terminate the old agreement and create a new agreement)
> > 
> > As for the rest of your comments, essentially I agree with 
> > you. The only
> > problemis that some of them seem to be very difficult
> > to address :-( In any case, please give me some time as I can 
> > only do this
> > work sporadically.
> > 
> > Best regards
> > Toshi
> > -----
> > Toshiyuki Nakata 中田　登志之
> > Executive Chief Engineer, Central Research Lab. NEC
> > 1753, Shimonumabe, Nakahara-Ku,
> > Kawasaki,Kanagawa 211-8666,Japan
> > Tel +81-44-431-7653 (NEC Internal 22-60035)
> > Fax +81-44-431-7609 (NEC Internal 22-60509)
> >  
> > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Dominic Battre [mailto:mailinglists at battre.de] 
> > > Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 5:18 AM
> > > To: Toshiyuki Nakata
> > > Cc: 'GRAAP-WG'
> > > Subject: Re: [GRAAP-WG] Modification to the wiki Page on 
> > > Renegotiating an established Agreement
> > > 
> > > Hi Toshi,
> > > 
> > > I did some brainstorming and added some random 
> > comments/wishes/ideas.
> > > Please have a look whether anything could be useful for 
> the further
> > > proceeding. I don't know how much you have discussed and discarded
> > > before. Please feel free to ask me, in case my comments are 
> > confusing.
> > > 
> > > Best regards,
> > > 
> > > Dominic
> > > 
> > > Toshiyuki Nakata wrote:
> > > > Hi:
> > > > I've put up some more things to ponder on the 
> > > re-negotiation Wiki Page
> > > > 
> > > https://forge.gridforum.org/sf/wiki/do/viewPage/projects.graap
> > > -wg/wiki/ReNeg
> > > > otiationWishlists?_message=1187773027531
> > > > esp. No.7 is rather a tough one.
> > > > 
> > > > Comments welcome.
> > > > 
> > > > Best Regards
> > > > Toshi
> > > > -----
> > > > Toshiyuki Nakata 中田　登志之
> > > > Executive Chief Engineer, Central Research Lab. NEC
> > > > 1753, Shimonumabe, Nakahara-Ku,
> > > > Kawasaki,Kanagawa 211-8666,Japan
> > > > Tel +81-44-431-7653 (NEC Internal 22-60035)
> > > > Fax +81-44-431-7609 (NEC Internal 22-60509)
> > > >  
> > > > 
> > > > 
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