[gin-info] RE: FW: [gin-ops] Cross-grid monitoring issues summary
Jennifer M. Schopf
jms at mcs.anl.gov
Wed May 10 14:21:14 CDT 2006
Hello-
well, the info list is the same as the other components of GIN (jobs,
data security) - if you want to participate in sharing monitoring data this
is the list that's discussing it. You can find an archive of previous mail here
http://www-unix.gridforum.org/mail_archive/gin-info/maillist.html
my last message (included below) sums up the status to date, although of
course the meeting is tomorrow so this is likely to change then. I'm
assuming notes will be sent out after that meeting as well.
-jennifer
>Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 16:05:20 +0100
>To: gin-info at ggf.org
>From: "Jennifer M. Schopf" <jms at mcs.anl.gov>
>Subject: [gin-info] Status question
>
>hello gin-info folks-
>
> this list has been quiet for a long time, and a couple of us at
> another meeting were wondering what was up. Where *I* thought things stood was
>
>1) we'd agreed to define a small set of attributes and to try to get
>people to advertise them in their own local schema (GLUE schema, cim,
>whatever) - we were *not* defining a schema, just a list for now
>
>2) once this set was defined and a few sites could verify they were
>reporting them, to then look at ways to view them from a web page (eg.
>PRAGMA's monitoring tech or MDS4's WebMDS, both which can read simple html)
>
>3) The list of attributes has not yet been determined - I sent around a
>list we're (Globus) using with TeraGrid, several other folks (including JP
>Navarro, Thomas Soddermann, Oxana Smirnova, and Laurence Field) sent
>around possible additions or deletions, and we were waiting on the chair
>to coalesce this list
>
>Is that right? perhaps the chair could chime in if there's anything we
>should do before next week's meeting.
>
>Thanks!
>
> -jennifer
At 03:21 11/05/2006, Cindy Zheng wrote:
>Hi, Jennifer,
>
>Thank you for openning a communication channel!
>We need more of it.
>
>I'm not a monitoring software developer and don't know
>if others already aware of the ideas and activities in
>gin-info. Is there documentation links for these ideas
>and discussions? Would be good for people to check-out
>and learn.
>
>With good info and communications, people work in the
>field can decide for themselves, if they would like to
>join force and work on one approach or pursue different
>courses, I think either way can be beneficial.
>
>Thank you for your help,
>
>Cindy
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-gin-ops at ggf.org [mailto:owner-gin-ops at ggf.org] On
> > Behalf Of Jennifer M. Schopf
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 8:06 PM
> > To: somsak_sr at thaigrid.or.th; gin-ops at ggf.org; gin-info at ggf.org
> > Cc: putchong_ut at thaigrid.or.th; sugree_ph at thaigrid.or.th
> > Subject: Re: FW: [gin-ops] Cross-grid monitoring issues summary
> >
> >
> > Hello-
> >
> > I'm a bit confused - i thought the info service
> > discussions for gin
> > were taking place on the gin-info list - which i've cc'ed?
> > The information
> > below contrasts with the discussions on that list! Namely,
> > it was decided
> > NOT to come up with a common schema, in stead to let sites
> > use their own
> > and simply come up with a common set of attributes each site
> > published in
> > whatever their local schema was and what we had to decide was
> > what those
> > attributes actually were.
> >
> > Any discussion of info services and GIN should be on the
> > gin-info list as
> > announced at GGF in Athens - shouldn't they?
> >
> > -jennifer
> >
> >
> > At 22:40 09/05/2006, Somsak Sriprayoonsakul wrote:
> > >Dear All people involved with gin-monitoring activities,
> > >
> > > As stated below. I promised to create a Wiki page
> > describe our effort
> > > to create a neutral data format for Grid monitoring
> > softwares. I tried to
> > > create the page and found that we still know so little
> > about each other
> > > effort in this topic. So I want to start with a page
> > describe what we
> > > already did, and what we planned in the near future,
> > regardless of GIN project.
> > >
> > > However, I'm not capable to do this alone. I would like
> > to ask for
> > > help from all people involving this activity. Please help
> > me contribute a
> > > brief of your work in the Wiki pages. I separated the activity in
> > > per-Grid project basis and listed every projects that my
> > little knowledge
> > > may have, and belief that this'll not be all. Please fell free to
> > > add/remove/adjust the listing as you wish, just let us know
> > if you want
> > > to remove some project :-) . For the time being, I'll try
> > adding as many
> > > content as I can.
> > >
> > > The Wiki page URL is
> > >
> > http://wiki.pragma-grid.net/index.php?title=GIN_%28Grid_Inter-
> > operation_Now%29_Monitoring.
> > >
> > > This page will focus on the inter-operable data format between
> > > middleware & monitoring software. The summary of all
> > activity regarding
> > > GIN-monitor is still at
> > http://goc.pragma-grid.net/gin/gin-monitor.htm.
> > >
> > > A new Wiki server at GGF will be set-up in the near
> > future (see below).
> > > I'll inform you all again if we change the URL. For now,
> > please follow
> > > normal procedure to register with PRAGMA Wiki (Sorry Cindy,
> > more works on
> > > you again :-) . I'll try to keep the number of pages as
> > small as possible
> > > so we won't have to migrate so many pages at that time ).
> > >
> > > Thank you very much everyone. I do hope this will
> > greatly benefit all
> > > of us.
> > >
> > >Best Regards,
> > >
> > >Cindy Zheng wrote:
> > >>Cool! :-) Thanks, Somsak! Also, just let you and others
> > know that all the
> > >>people listed in your summary have joined gin-ops list. In
> > the future,
> > >>any new member participate in our work, just ask him/her to
> > join this list.
> > >>Thanks again,
> > >>Cindy
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>>-----Original Message-----
> > >>>From: owner-gin-ops at ggf.org [mailto:owner-gin-ops at ggf.org]
> > On Behalf Of
> > >>>Somsak Sriprayoonsakul
> > >>>Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 2:41 AM
> > >>>To: Cindy Zheng
> > >>>Cc: oxana.smirnova at hep.lu.se; gin-ops at ggf.org;
> > >>>putchong_ut at thaigrid.or.th; Sugree Phatanapherom
> > >>>Subject: Re: FW: [gin-ops] Cross-grid monitoring issues summary
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>Then I'll use GOC wiki for now since it'll be moved to new
> > site in the
> > >>>near future.
> > >>>
> > >>>Skype meeting is a good idea but I think some contents on
> > wiki prior to
> > >>>the discussion. I'll copy/paste some content from summary
> > page at GOC to
> > >>>Wiki and start from there.
> > >>>
> > >>>Cindy Zheng wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>>Hi, Somsak,
> > >>>>
> > >>>>You can use goc wiki or UK's wiki - UK people have
> > offered their wiki
> > >>>>server. We may need to move GOC's GIN contents
> > >>>>soon - Charlie had asked GGF people setting up a server
> > for GIN. To use
> > >>>>UK's, see the email below. Steven's email is
> > [sn at ecs.soton.ac.uk]. I'll
> > >>>>find out at GGF17 where the
> > >>>>permanent home will be for GIN documents.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>Also, if you feel the need for realtime talk, Skype is
> > good for small
> > >>>>group (free version supports up to 5 people). Let me
> > >>>>Know if there is anything I can be of help.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>Thanks,
> > >>>>
> > >>>>Cindy
> > >>>>
> > >>>>-----Original Message-----
> > >>>>From: owner-gin-auth at ggf.org
> > >>>[mailto:owner-gin-auth at ggf.org] On Behalf
> > >>>
> > >>>>Of Steven Newhouse
> > >>>>Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 6:27 AM
> > >>>>To: Oscar Koeroo
> > >>>>Cc: Dane Skow; gin-auth at ggf.org
> > >>>>Subject: Re: [gin-auth] Nightly cron for DN list dump ?
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>The UK folks have offered their WIKI server as a
> > >>>headquarters for this
> > >>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>kind of contributed links.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>http://wiki.nesc.ac.uk/read/gin-jobs is the wiki. Email me
> > >>>once you have
> > >>>
> > >>>>created an account on it so I can add you (and anyone
> > else) to the
> > >>>>editors list.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>Steven
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>--
> > >>>--------------------------------------------------------------
> > >>>---------------------
> > >>>Somsak Sriprayoonsakul
> > >>>
> > >>>Thai National Grid Center
> > >>>Software Industry Promotion Agency
> > >>>Ministry of ICT, Thailand
> > >>>somsak_sr at thaigrid.or.th
> > >>>--------------------------------------------------------------
> > >>>---------------------
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >--
> > >-------------------------------------------------------------
> > ----------------------
> > >Somsak Sriprayoonsakul
> > >
> > >Thai National Grid Center
> > >Software Industry Promotion Agency
> > >Ministry of ICT, Thailand
> > >somsak_sr at thaigrid.or.th
> > >-------------------------------------------------------------
> > ----------------------
> >
> > --------------------------------------------------------------
> > ----------------------------------
> > Dr. Jennifer M. Schopf
> > Scientist eInfrastructure Policy Advisor
> > Distributed Systems Lab National eScience Centre and JISC
> > Argonne National Laboratory The University of Edinburgh
> > jms at mcs.anl.gov jms at nesc.ac.uk
> > http://www.mcs.anl.gov/~jms http://homepages.nesc.ac.uk/~jms
> >
> >
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Dr. Jennifer M. Schopf
Scientist eInfrastructure Policy Advisor
Distributed Systems Lab National eScience Centre and JISC
Argonne National Laboratory The University of Edinburgh
jms at mcs.anl.gov jms at nesc.ac.uk
http://www.mcs.anl.gov/~jms http://homepages.nesc.ac.uk/~jms
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