[gin-info] [Fwd: BOUNCE gin-info at ggf.org: Non-member submission from [Somsak Sriprayoonsakul <somsak_sr at thaigrid.or.th>]]
Yuji Saeki
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I forward mail from Somsak.
Yuji
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From: Somsak Sriprayoonsakul <somsak_sr at thaigrid.or.th>
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Dear Aleksandr,
You can get an account from Cindy herself directly. Please refer to
http://www.ggf.org/mail_archive/gin-ops/2006/05/msg00005.html and all
messages in thread for more information.
PS: Sorry, the cc list is too long that I miss some address :-). I now
cc this to to gin-ops and gin-info.
Aleksandr Konstantinov wrote:
> Hello Somsak,
>
> How does one get account on that wiki to edit page You mentioned?
>
>
> PS It is nice be among all those people in CC. But I have a question.
> Why are such mails not on proper mailing lists, like gin-ops ?!
> If we are concerned about interoperability we probably should start
> from interoperable communication.
>
>
> On Tue, 15 Aug 2006 18:09:37 +0700
> Somsak Sriprayoonsakul <somsak_sr at thaigrid.or.th> wrote:
>
>
>> Cindy Zheng wrote:
>>
>>> Terrence, this looks really good!
>>> Somsak has started an effort to get together with
>>> different grid monitor developers to come up with
>>> a common schema, so their software can share info/data.
>>> Everyone then can choose whatever monitor they like.
>>> I'm pasting Somsak's list to gin-ops list on this, FYI.
>>> Thanks for sharing!
>>> Cindy
>>>
>>>
>> I would like to confess that I have made no progress, regarding the
>> monitoring inter-op, during this few months due to my current workload.
>> We're founding Thai National Grid Center and there are a whole lot of
>> things to do. Very sorry about that.
>>
>> The aim of monitoring-inter-op is to make an inter-operable platform for
>> all monitoring softwares. This can be either on data-format level, API
>> level, or anything. We're still the early stage, collecting the
>> information about data format and API of each monitoring softwares.
>>
>> I would like to encourage everyone to share your knowledge at
>> "http://wiki.pragma-grid.net/index.php?title=GIN_%28Grid_Inter-operation_Now%29_Monitoring".
>> I already listed some softwares, but it definitely not complete and
>> would require more helping hands. You can request new user log-in from
>> Cindy herself.
>>
>> Thank you very much
>>
>> Best Regards,
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: owner-gin-ops at ggf.org [mailto:owner-gin-ops at ggf.org] On Behalf Of
>>> Somsak Sriprayoonsakul
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 6:40 AM
>>> To: gin-ops at ggf.org
>>> Cc: putchong_ut at thaigrid.or.th; sugree_ph at thaigrid.or.th
>>> Subject: Re: FW: [gin-ops] Cross-grid monitoring issues summary
>>>
>>>
>>> Dear All people involved with gin-monitoring activities,
>>>
>>> As stated below. I promised to create a Wiki page describe our
>>> effort to create a neutral data format for Grid monitoring softwares. I
>>> tried to create the page and found that we still know so little about
>>> each other effort in this topic. So I want to start with a page describe
>>>
>>> what we already did, and what we planned in the near future, regardless
>>> of GIN project.
>>>
>>> However, I'm not capable to do this alone. I would like to ask for
>>> help from all people involving this activity. Please help me contribute
>>> a brief of your work in the Wiki pages. I separated the activity in
>>> per-Grid project basis and listed every projects that my little
>>> knowledge may have, and belief that this'll not be all. Please fell free
>>>
>>> to add/remove/adjust the listing as you wish, just let us know if you
>>> want to remove some project :-) . For the time being, I'll try adding as
>>>
>>> many content as I can.
>>>
>>> The Wiki page URL is
>>> http://wiki.pragma-grid.net/index.php?title=GIN_%28Grid_Inter-operation_
>>> Now%29_Monitoring.
>>>
>>> This page will focus on the inter-operable data format between
>>> middleware & monitoring software. The summary of all activity regarding
>>> GIN-monitor is still at http://goc.pragma-grid.net/gin/gin-monitor.htm.
>>>
>>> A new Wiki server at GGF will be set-up in the near future (see
>>> below). I'll inform you all again if we change the URL. For now, please
>>> follow normal procedure to register with PRAGMA Wiki (Sorry Cindy, more
>>> works on you again :-) . I'll try to keep the number of pages as small
>>> as possible so we won't have to migrate so many pages at that time ).
>>>
>>> Thank you very much everyone. I do hope this will greatly benefit
>>> all of us.
>>>
>>> Best Regards,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Terrence Martin [mailto:tmartin at physics.ucsd.edu]
>>>> Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 9:57 AM
>>>> To: somsak_sr at thaigrid.or.th
>>>> Cc: Cindy Zheng; 'Sugree Phatanapherom'; parzberg at sdsc.edu;
>>>> phil at sdsc.edu; somsak_sr at thaigrid.net; 'Putchong Uthayopas';
>>>> 'Ruth Pordes'; 'Frank Wuerthwein'; 'Abhishek Singh Rana';
>>>> 'Yoshio Tanaka'; yusuke.tanimura at aist.go.jp; 'Oxana
>>>> Smirnova'; 'Balazs Konya'; 'Aleksandr Konstantinov'; 'Colin Enticott'
>>>> Subject: Re: gin ops work
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I wanted just to mention if you have had a chance to see
>>>> MonALisa? It is
>>>> one of the monitoring tools used but the OSG. It is developed out of
>>>> Caltech. It monitors amoung other things band width, CPU
>>>> utlization etc
>>>> at a grid level. It has both a 2D web and a 3D Java client.
>>>>
>>>> Here is the MonALisa installation for the DISUN project which is the
>>>> collaboration of CMS T2 sites of which UCSD is one. We host
>>>> the central
>>>> installation and every site manages their own install (comes with the
>>>> OSG VDT).
>>>>
>>>> http://www.disun.org:8888/show?page=index.html
>>>>
>>>> Here is the overall OSG MonALisa monitoring.
>>>>
>>>> http://grid02.uits.indiana.edu:8080/show?page=index.html
>>>>
>>>> I am not trying to advocate for MonaLisa I just thought in
>>>> case you have
>>>> not had a chance to see it. It does not do everything I would
>>>> like, but
>>>> it is pretty good for display grid statistics with a
>>>> geographical context.
>>>>
>>>> Terrence
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Somsak Sriprayoonsakul wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Cindy Zheng wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you, Sugree! It looks great!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you very much :).
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> I like the bandwidth matrix! Would really like to know what
>>>>>> looks like in our PRAGMA testbed and GIN testbed.
>>>>>> Does the bandwidth matrix require SCMSWeb installation on
>>>>>> target cluster?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Yes. The result of bandwidth testing will be delegated to top-level
>>>>> SCMSWeb along with other data. We're trying to figure out how to
>>>>> separate bandwidth, probe, and other unrelated to system monitoring
>>>>> from SCMSWeb itself. But right now it would still need SCMSWeb.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Is this version stable?
>>>>>> Is it easy to upgrade from GOC's version to this?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> I think it's stable enough for testing. There're few things
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> need to be
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> fixed though
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. Don't sure whether the installation work smoothly on the
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> host other
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> than observer.thaigrid.or.th :). But so far it works fine
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> on RH9, FC2,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> ROCKS3.1-ROCKS 4.1.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2. The GUI is still not very pretty. Very hard to view
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> because so many
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> number in the table.
>>>>>
>>>>> 3. The historical data is not being linked to the site name
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> yet. But
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> you can view it on "Probe" page (the bandwidth matrix is actually
>>>>> another probe with bandwidth as its output instead of
>>>>> success/timeout/fail).
>>>>>
>>>>> 4. We plan to include the organization name in the table so
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> it easier
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> to read
>>>>>
>>>>> 5. We want to include lat-long and country in to configuration.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think we'll solve issue 1-4 first, then have it install
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> GOC later on.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> If the monitored site do not care much about the GUI, they can try
>>>>> upgrade their system now. Sugree already build many RPMs for those
>>>>> platform. The underlying data for presentation layer will
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> remain the
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> same.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Does this support services running on different ip#s yet?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Do you mean the similar configuration as TeraGrid? I think
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> the answer
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> is yes but never try it yet. The target configuration can be any
>>>>> machine with iperf server.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Sorry for so many questions :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> No problem :).
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Cindy
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Sugree Phatanapherom
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>> [mailto:sugree_ph at thaigrid.or.th] Sent:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>> Friday, August 11, 2006 6:25 PM
>>>>>>> To: zhengc at sdsc.edu
>>>>>>> Cc: parzberg at sdsc.edu; phil at sdsc.edu; somsak_sr at thaigrid.net;
>>>>>>> 'Putchong Uthayopas'; 'Ruth Pordes'; 'Frank Wuerthwein';
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>> 'Abhishek
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>> Singh Rana'; 'Terrence Martin'; 'Yoshio Tanaka';
>>>>>>> yusuke.tanimura at aist.go.jp; 'Oxana Smirnova'; 'Balazs Konya';
>>>>>>> 'Aleksandr Konstantinov'; 'Colin Enticott'
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: gin ops work
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dear Cindy,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have modified SCMSWeb to partially support your
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>> suggestion. Please
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>> take a look at latest version at
>>>>>>> http://observer.thaigrid.or.th/cgi-bin/scmsweb/probe.cgi?sourc
>>>>>>> e=GCC&grid=ThaiGrid.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In addition, this version also offers end-to-end bandwidth matrix
>>>>>>> automatically using Iperf.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://observer.thaigrid.or.th/cgi-bin/scmsweb/bandwidth.cgi?g
>>>>>>> rid=ThaiGrid
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Comments are welcome.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sugree
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cindy Zheng wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi, Peter and Phil,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Here are the major things done since GGF17:
>>>>>>>> (I'm including all the people who contributed to these
>>>>>>>> work, so they can add/correct)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 1. Hello world - GIN testbed infrastructure testing matrix was
>>>>>>>> assigned to me in GGF17. This has completed on July 11 and
>>>>>>>> announced to gin-ops mailing list. We currently have
>>>>>>>> 7 clusters from 5 grids being monitored in our GIN testbed.
>>>>>>>> In addition to job submission testing, we also testing and
>>>>>>>> showing the realtime status for globus authentication, DNS
>>>>>>>> resolution (since globus is very sensive to DNS problems)
>>>>>>>> and gridftp (both directions). Right now, the testings are
>>>>>>>> set to hourly. The status is publically available. You can view
>>>>>>>> them by clicking the link "GIN Testbed Status" at
>>>>>>>> http://goc.pragma-grid.net/gin/default.html.
>>>>>>>> There is a issue with testing and showing the status
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>> when a grid is
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>> running the tested services on more than one host/IP#. I have
>>>>>>>> discussed this with Somsak. ThaiGrid SCMSWeb team has modified
>>>>>>>> their software to handle this in the next release and is
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>> currently
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>> testing the
>>>>>>>> new version.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 2. Open Science Grid has joined GIN testbed on June 26. We have
>>>>>>>> completed and verified basic setup on July 11.
>>>>>>>> The OSG technical support team and AIST application team
>>>>>>>> have been discussing via email and a chance of face to
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>> face meeting
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>> on how to interoperate with OSG. Now, we
>>>>>>>> all have achieved better understanding of how OSG works and how
>>>>>>>> Ninf-G and TDDFT work. The decision is to package
>>>>>>>> all the executables and libraries TDDFT needs and deploy
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>> and run on
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>> OSG cluster. Now AIST application team is
>>>>>>>> working on this and should be able to get the run started
>>>>>>>> before GGF18.
>>>>>>>> This is result of many people's efforts:
>>>>>>>> Phil Papadoupoulos, Ruth Pordes, Frank Wuerthwein,
>>>>>>>> Abhishek Singh Rana, Terrence Martin, Yoshio Tanaka,
>>>>>>>> Yusuke Tanimura.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 3. NorduGrid has volunteered to join GIN testbed on July 11.
>>>>>>>> We have completed and verified the basic setup the same day.
>>>>>>>> But, we found that NorduGrid job submission method is very
>>>>>>>> different from all the grids in GIN testbed so far - it uses
>>>>>>>> gridftp. AIST and MU application teams, NorduGrid team
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>> and ThaiGrid
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>> SCMSWeb development team had a lot of discussions. We
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>> have achieved
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>> better understanding on how each side work and tried to
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>> find a way
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>> to all interoperate.
>>>>>>>> The decisions were for NorduGrid to investigate a way to
>>>>>>>> allow job submission via GRAM, ThaiGrid SCMSWeb developer
>>>>>>>> has promised to implement multi-services testing for a
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>> grid in the
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>> coming release.
>>>>>>>> Many people have involved in this:
>>>>>>>> Oxana Smirnova, Balazs Konya, Aleksandr Konstantinov,
>>>>>>>> Yoshio Tanaka, Yusuke Tanimura, Colin Enticott, ThaiGrid
>>>>>>>> SCMSWeb development team.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> All the new grids contacts and resources info are documented
>>>>>>>> http://goc.pragma-grid.net/gin/gin-people.html
>>>>>>>> http://goc.pragma-grid.net/gin/gin-resources.html
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cindy
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>> --
>> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Somsak Sriprayoonsakul
>>
>> Thai National Grid Center
>> Software Industry Promotion Agency
>> Ministry of ICT, Thailand
>> somsak_sr at thaigrid.or.th
>> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>
>
>
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Somsak Sriprayoonsakul
Thai National Grid Center
Software Industry Promotion Agency
Ministry of ICT, Thailand
somsak_sr at thaigrid.or.th
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