[dmis-bof] Comments on the charter?

[William E. Allcock]

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Hiro Kishimoto [mailto:hiro.kishimoto at jp.fujitsu.com] 
> Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 2:31 AM
> To: allcock at mcs.anl.gov
> Cc: dmis-bof at ggf.org; Foster Ian
> Subject: Re: [dmis-bof] Comments on the charter?
> 
> 
> Hi Bill,
> 
> Data transfer is one of key data services and I am very 
> appreciate your
> effort to standardize its interface. I've read your charter proposal
> and have several comments below;
> 
> (1) SOAP/WSDL interface
> I take it you define interface on top of Web Service. Do you plan to
> define it on vanilla WS-I or OGSA WSRF Basic Profile? As an OGSA-WG
> co-chair, I hope the latter. The better approach is hybrid; abstract
> IDL semantic definition plus one or more concrete rendering 
> definitions.
> OGSA-Byte-IO's work gives you a good example.

Since *I* need a WSRF compliant service, I will push for one of those.  I do
think this is going to be a point of contention though.  Your idea about the
IDL is a good one, but means significantly more work :-(.  It means 3
documents not one or two, but it makes sense, so I will definitely propose
this option to the group and see what kind of response we get.

> 
> https://forge.gridforum.org/docman2/ViewCategory.php?group_id=
> 154&category_id=1058
> 
> (2) Relation to OGSA
> I know you are active member of OGSA-D WG. Do you intend to place this
> work in the OGSA data architecture? Or, you make it to be combinable
> with OGSA works? If you agree to go with OGSA, the following guideline
> gives you more advice.
> 
> https://forge.gridforum.org/projects/ggf-editor/document/OGSA_
> related_working_group_research_group_and_specification_naming_
> guideline/en/1

Yes, this will go into the OGSA data architecture.  The OGSA data group
"commissioned this work" and that is why they are pushing for a non-file
specific standard as that meets their needs better.  I understand the need,
but as is so often the case in computer science, we may need to "eat the
elephant one bite at a time".  I suspect that the general solution is to
much to take on the first bite, so we will likely go with a file specific
version and follow up with a more general version, though I could be
pleasantly surprised and discover there is a reasonable way to get both in
one shot.

> 
> (3) WG name
> Since all GGF WGs work for standardization, I think you don't need to
> name new WG as "Data Movement Interface *Standardization* WG." I think
> - Data Movement WG, or
> - Data Movement Interface WG
> is better.

I actually put the Standardization on the end so we would have a
pronounceable acronym :-).  However, I will bow to the wishes of the group
and area directors.

> 
> (4) Charter draft template
> GFSG needs more information for charter draft.
> Please use the OGSA-data WG's charter draft attached as an template
> (which includes 7 questions you should answer).

Will do.

Bill
> 
> Thanks,
> ----
> Hiro Kishimoto
> 
> William E. Allcock wrote:
> > I haven't received any comments on the charter.  I would 
> love to believe
> > that is because you are all waiting to have your computers 
> repaired after
> > weeping uncontrollably on your keyboards due to the beauty 
> of the prose...
> > unfortunately, it is more likely that you have not taken 
> time out of your
> > insanely hectic schedule to review it :-).
> > 
> > Please do so.  It wont take long.  I opted for very little 
> prose and then a
> > timeline.  If people could comment on if they think the 
> text is sufficient,
> > and more importantly on whether the timeline is reasonable 
> and has the right
> > things in it, that would be wonderful.
> > 
> > Please remember, this can only be a success if we have 
> participation from a
> > variety of groups.  Particularly for this one since we have 
> competing
> > existing implementations, and we will need to get some 
> momentum behind this
> > to get people to change and conform.  They have to believe 
> it provides some
> > advantage to do so...
> > 
> > So, now! quick! before another email distracts you! read it! send me
> > comments! I attached it again to this email to make it 
> *REALLY* easy!
> > 
> > :-)
> > 
> > I had the above as "shouting", but then wondered how many 
> spam filters would
> > tag it as spam...
> > 
> > Bill
> > 
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