[DFDL-WG] Fw: new action item needed: DFDL URN specification

Mon Nov 19 13:26:53 EST 2012

Suman - do you have a view on this, we would like to discuss on tomorrow's 
WG call.

Regards

Steve Hanson
Architect, Data Format Description Language (DFDL)
Co-Chair, OGF DFDL Working Group
IBM SWG, Hursley, UK
smh at uk.ibm.com
tel:+44-1962-815848
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From:   Steve Hanson/UK/IBM
To:     Suman Kalia <kalia at ca.ibm.com>, 
Cc:     dfdl-wg at ogf.org, dfdl-wg-bounces at ogf.org, Mike Beckerle 
<mbeckerle.dfdl at gmail.com>
Date:   29/10/2012 15:31
Subject:        Re: [DFDL-WG] new action item needed: DFDL URN 
specification

Using the OGF's URN registration document [GFD.191] as a reference, I 
suggest: 

Type
URL
Proposed URN
common root

urn:ogf:dfdl
xmlns attribute
http://www.ogf.org/dfdl/dfdl-1.0/
urn:ogf:dfdl:2011
source attribute
http://www.ogf.org/dfdl/
urn:ogf:dfdl

[GFD.191] http://www.ogf.org/documents/GFD.191.pdf

Regards

Steve Hanson
Architect, Data Format Description Language (DFDL)
Co-Chair, OGF DFDL Working Group
IBM SWG, Hursley, UK
smh at uk.ibm.com
tel:+44-1962-815848

From:   Suman Kalia <kalia at ca.ibm.com>
To:     Mike Beckerle <mbeckerle.dfdl at gmail.com>, 
Cc:     dfdl-wg at ogf.org, dfdl-wg-bounces at ogf.org
Date:   25/10/2012 17:15
Subject:        Re: [DFDL-WG] new action item needed: DFDL URN 
specification
Sent by:        dfdl-wg-bounces at ogf.org

I tend to agree that  specifying urn for namespaces is better choice and 
URL should be used for schema locations; however  convention of specifying 
URL for namespaces is long established some implementations use the 
namespace  URL to return  the actual schema.     When I try to access the 
namespace URL for XML schema , it gives me reference to the document but 
not schema..   

Suman Kalia 
IBM Canada Lab 
WMB Toolkit Architect and Development Lead 
Tel: 905-413-3923 T/L 313-3923 
Email: kalia at ca.ibm.com 

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From:        Mike Beckerle <mbeckerle.dfdl at gmail.com> 
To:        dfdl-wg at ogf.org, 
Date:        10/25/2012 08:18 AM 
Subject:        Re: [DFDL-WG] new action item needed: DFDL URN 
specification 
Sent by:        dfdl-wg-bounces at ogf.org 

I wanted to add to this discussion the w3c blog page that highlights the 
problem of the http-based naming scheme. There are many articles about 
this, this is just one of them.

http://www.w3.org/blog/systeam/2008/02/08/w3c_s_excessive_dtd_traffic/

On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 10:35 AM, Mike Beckerle <mbeckerle.dfdl at gmail.com> 
wrote: 

Introduction:

Using URLs as identifiers has caused no end of problems. E.g., in DFDL we 
have http://www.ogf.org/dfdl/dfdl-1.0/ as an identifier. W3C has 
http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema and others.

W3C has badly regretted establishing this convention, as they have farms 
of servers that do nothing but quickly return 404 errors to save 
network-aware applications the network-timeout delay that would otherwise 
occur.

There are parties interested in exploiting DFDL who want DFDL schemas to 
NOT contain network URLs because it simply creates a concern about network 
access whenever a DFDL schema is inspected/used. 

Pre-Proposal: 

The new way to do this is with URNs which would look roughly like this: 
urn:ogf:dfdl:standard:dfdl-1.0. The whole point is that some other 
mechanism is used to establish correspondences between these and any 
resources in file systems, networks, or built-in to implementations. One 
such mechanism is called XML Catalog.

The point is that it is a name in a managed namespace which cannot be 
confused with a network protocol URL. 

OGF is already establishing urn:ogf, and an ogf subgroup has already 
proposed urn:ogf:network for network resources. DFDL schemas aren't 
network resources so we don't want to be a substructure underneath 
network.

Some other mechanism is used to establish correspondences between these 
and any resources in file systems, networks, or built-in to 
implementations. One such mechanism is called XML Catalog.

Summary:

An action item should be to specify DFDL urn, submit to OGF as a proposed 
namespace, and then produce errata/spec changes to specify its use. 

This requires a small design activity to specify a scheme for the 
sub-structure of the DFDL URNs (i.e., scheme for the stuff after 
urn:ogf:dfdl:...) where we want standard identifiers for versions of the 
standard, but we probably also want a few other things (e.g., I would like 
a space for implementations to identify themselves, i.e., an 
implementation-specific sub-area within our URNs.)

Our existing URLs can be compatible (deprecated) practice vs the preferred 
URNs. 

-- 
Mike Beckerle | OGF DFDL WG Co-Chair 
Tel:  781-330-0412

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