Legitimacy was Re: Ross Ulbricht got 2xLife+40 for a Harmless Website

Karl gmkarl at gmail.com
Thu Jul 1 11:50:45 PDT 2021

hi david

On Thu, Jul 1, 2021, 12:29 PM David Barrett <dbarrett at expensify.com> wrote:

> "I'll fight with my life to prevent conflict" -- Said everyone starting
> every war, ever.

That's not preventing conflict.  Caps because it sounds like you didn't get
my second line after that: DID YOU GET MY SECOND LINE AFTER THAT?

Mainly I just think we need to tone down the aggression.  Capitalism,
> democracy, society,

That's always nice.  Takes willpower and freedom.

it works.  Things are better than they've ever
been in the history of the world, and they are getting better.  Not
> perfectly, not equally, but

What things do you see as better or worse, equal or inequal?

We work to try to make the things you say be true.  It is very hard work.
I really yearn for earlier times, myself, but if we can be free to talk
productively and effectively I think we can be free to accomplish anything.

gradually and steadily over the long arc of history.  I feel like we just
> need to appreciate what we've got and do the hard, thankless work of making
> it better and more inclusive -- and stop exaggerating the scale of the
> problems we face.  We don't need revolution, we need evolution.  It's slow,
> boring, and

We need somewhere in-between.  But we get the whole shebang ;p

Everyone who talks is just trying to help everyone else.  Sometimes it
sounds violent or boring, it's just more important experiences and I'm good
ideas being shared unskillfully.

wonky.  It requires patience and cooperation.  And it requires respecting
> the institutions we've carefully built over centuries, and investing in
> making them better.

Or mutating them to heal them?  I'm big on respect but not on demanding
specific solutions.

At this time we need to protect people.  People in institutions, and people
being harmed by them.  That's a dynamic situation needing relevant,
contextual decisions.

If I can discover that a local council is fully staffed by foreign spies
trying to turn the local region into an occupying millitary, it may not be
the most important institution to protect.  But pretty important to
preserve the history of.

> -david
> On Thu, Jul 1, 2021 at 12:17 AM Karl <gmkarl at gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, Jun 30, 2021, 7:45 PM David Barrett <dbarrett at expensify.com>
>> wrote:
>>> On Tue, Jun 29, 2021 at 11:48 AM Karl <gmkarl at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> > > his nazi 'laws' have any legitimacy at all?
>>>>> >
>>>>> > I'll try to answer a guess as to what you mean if you can stop
>>>>> giving me a
>>>>> > worse game to play.  Everything has some degree of legitimacy.
>>>>>         That's  wrong. Criminals like barrett have no legitimacy. And
>>>>> neither has your
>>> Comments like this reinforce the need to respect and defend the actual
>>> institutions we have, as imperfect as they are.  He's accused me, without
>>> evidence -- or even any statement of what supposed law I broke -- of being
>>> a criminal.  We all need to push back on this kind of anti-democratic,
>>> anti-justice language whenever we see it.  It's fine to disagree; it's fine
>>> to call the cops on me for whatever you think it is I've done.  But to
>>> basically assert judgement without any investigation or process is to
>>> demonstrate a complete disinterest in justice itself.  There's too much of
>>> that going on; silent people need to push back on this corrosive tactic.
>>> -david
>> I'll fight with my life to prevent conflict and end blaming of others, if
>> I can figure out how.  Where are you at?
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