WikiLeaks: The Long Captivity of Julian Assange by I.Shamir

grarpamp grarpamp at
Thu Aug 26 21:44:59 PDT 2021

The Long Captivity of Julian Assange
Israel Shamir • June 21, 2018
• 2,300 Words • 129 Comments • Reply
[Search Text] RSS
Israel and Julian

These long summer days are good for forest walks or swimming; in the
evenings, I read classics with my 10 year old son who otherwise spends
too much time at video games. This time, it happens to be the Odyssey,
the poem I translated some 25 years ago, and yesterday I came to read
Book IV on Menelaus bewailing his comrades who fell at Troy or on the
perilous way home.

And for me it was the time to beweep my dear comrades-in-arms who have
suffered the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune. So many of you,
who went fighting the beast, are dead, or exiled, or imprisoned, like
my Spanish publisher Don Pedro Varela and the American researcher
Barrett Brown. Or fired from a university like Julio Pino, professor
of Kent State.

And then Menelaus said: Much as I weep for all my men, for none of all
these comrades do I grieve as much as for this one. The one is Ulysses
who has been detained for years on the island of Ogygia by Calypso the

It brought to my mind the fate of Julian Assange, this modern
Odysseus, who has been held in his luxurious Knightsbridge prison for
years. Actually, for full six years, as today, as I write it, is the
anniversary of his incarceration in the Ecuador Embassy.

So many epithets used by Homer for the King of Ithaca fit Julian to a
tee! He is wise and noble, resourceful and cunning, wily and crafty,
brilliant and steadfast, but also evil-starred man of woe.

His name still scares the enemy, and cheers a friend. Though an
Antipode by birth, Julian became famous in the North of Europe, where
this tall slim handsome youthful silver-haired man came to raise the
banner of his revolt. Eight years ago, I compared him to Neo of the
Matrix, the man destined to break the matrix of lies and set us free.

    The Amazing Adventures of Captain Neo in Blonde-Land, as no doubt
the story of Julian Assange’s escapades in Sweden will be known once
it inevitably makes its way into the hands of one of the goofier
Hollywood directors – say Robert Zemeckis or Mel Brooks, or perhaps
Stephen Herek of Bill & Ted’s Excellent Adventure. It would do better
in the hands of Andy Wachowski, where he might do for Julian Assange
what he once did for Keanu Reeves.

    Who could ask for a more beautiful set-up? It’s a story fit for a
tabloid, yet it might be transformed into something an intellectual
could read without embarrassment. This latest adventure is the stuff
of pulp fiction, and chock full of Langley spies, computer hackers,
crazy feminists, flatfooted cops and sleazy rags in the female kingdom
of Sweden!

    Julian Assange is a character that might have been ripped from the
celluloid frames of the Matrix: flaxen and lanky, he moves through
cyberspace like a superman. When, on those rare occasions that he does
emerge into the real world, it is to perform Kung Fu exercises. He
hardly ever eats or drinks. His corporeal body can normally be found
sitting in front of a MacPro or two, while his digital alter ego
commutes and computes, battling the odds and the system in fantastic
virtual combat. Like Neo, he is a natural-born hacker who hacked just
for the heck of it until he discovered the Matrix. He had hundreds of
remarkable hacking achievements to his name when in 1992 he pleaded
guilty to twenty-two of them. I like to think that someday, after he
has passed on in the fullness of time, he will become a kind of
guardian angel for hackers, or perhaps the Greek God of Cyberspace
with His Golden Board, forever surfing the web.

Recently this comparison had been repeated by brave Jonathan Cook, the
man from Nazareth, but it is suitable for Jonathan himself, and for
many of us, including the American Pravda writer, Ron Unz, for we all
fight for liberation of mind and discourse.

In the beginning of his political activity, Julian was lionised by
media and society. His Wikileaks was considered the most fashionable
thing in the known universe. He floated from a party to reception,
admired by the Scandinavians from Reykjavik to Stockholm.

But the enemy prepared its snares. A CIA-friendly feminist got to his
bed by a dirty trick: she offered him her small flat saying she was
leaving the city for a few days, and when he accepted and moved in,
she suddenly returned and offered to share the only bed. He didn’t
know she had carried out a CIA mission in Cuba, otherwise he would
have been more cautious. Or not: a full-blooded man, he was easy to
tempt. The next day she Tweeted friends about her success, about
sharing the limelight with this celebrity. And a few days later she
complained to police that he possessed her without protection; this is
an offence of second-degree rape in feminised Sweden. Her accusation
has been seconded by another girl, who was unhappy that Julian didn’t
call her the next day after their loving tryst. A man-hating Swedish
prosecutor Marianne Ny took over the job of hunting Julian, and
Swedish newspapers displayed headlines “Rapist At Large.” Immediately
Julian lost all his admiring entourage. The Empire knew the
vulnerability of his crowd.

However, in a few days his case was closed down, and Julian was free
to leave Sweden. He went to England, and there he prepared the great
publication of Cablegate, that is the vast collection of the State
Department and the US Embassies’ cables from around the world. Stolen
by Manning, these cables opened to us the full picture of the Empire
dealings with the nations. I wrote:

    One quarter of a million secret and confidential US Embassy cables
sit like so many digital wasps waiting to be released into cyberspace.
They will strike at the tender underbelly of the empire, the
flattering self-delusions that maintain the imperial armies. It just
might be enough to turn the tide in the battle to recover our
evaporating freedoms.

    These dirty little cables throw a bright light upon the murky
policies of the American Imperium, on their methods of collecting
information, of delivering orders, of subverting politicians and
robbing nations. Yet before we lapse into a comfortable and reflexive
anti-Americanism, let us never forget that this, arguably the greatest
revelation of criminal wrongdoing in history, was only made possible
because brave and honest Americans were willing to risk life and limb
to leak the truth.

    Tensions run high when you dare oppose the awesome power of the
Matrix. It is impossible not to admire Julian Assange. He is forever
kind, quiet, gentle, and even meek; like the Tao, he leads without
leading, directs without commanding. He never raises his voice; he
hardly needs to speak and the way becomes clear. Our Neo is guided by
the ideal of social transparency. Bright light is the best weapon
against conspiracies.

The Empire responded by having Sweden re-open the case and issue an
arrest warrant. England picked it up, and Julian had lost his freedom.
For a long while he stayed in East Anglia, in the house of a friend,
and then he moved to London, with an electronic bracelet on his arm
and under constant police supervision. When he was perilously close to
deportation to Sweden, and to a long stretch of solitary confinement
in a jail cell to be followed by extradition to the US and to its
Guantanamo tropical paradise, he jumped the boat and asked for asylum
in the Ecuador Embassy in London, after he received the then President
of Ecuador Rafael Correa’s promise. That was in June 2012, and since
that time, Assange has been immured within the walls of the Embassy.

Meanwhile, Sweden closed his case completely, but English authorities
still will not allow him to leave. The UN deemed him a victim of
arbitrary imprisonment, but even that didn’t help the unlucky man.
Ecuador gave him its citizenship and diplomatic passport, but England
refused to honour it. Recently the US began to court the new president
of Ecuador, Mr Lenin Moreno, and he cut off all the means of
communication between Julian and the world. He is no longer permitted
to receive guests, he can’t make calls, he is barred from the
internet. If he were deported to a far-away island of the sea he would
not be more isolated than he is now.

Looking back, Julian did a lot of great things since the Cablegate.

* He saved Edward Snowden, by navigating him from Hong Kong to Moscow.
He had sent the wonderful Sarah Harrison to operate this miraculous
escape. I supported him in this and in other enterprises, and I wrote
that Russia is the only safe place for a fugitive and a whistle blower
of such a calibre. Snowden thought to find a safe refuge in Cuba or
Venezuela, but none of these Latin American countries is strong enough
to withstand American pressure. Indeed, Cuba refused to let him in,
and Venezuela could not accept Snowden for other reasons. Even mighty
China refused to give Snowden asylum, and intended to ship him to the
US. Iran was not keen on accepting him. Russia, with all its faults,
is still the only state fully independent of the Empire on earth.

It is said that Assange was in cahoots with the Russians, that they
guided him and provided with the stuff they hacked and even that
“Wikileaks is a Front for Russian Intelligence”. As a matter of fact,
Russians were extremely hesitant to have anything to do with Assange.
They could not believe he was for real. Are you so naïve, they told
me, that you do not understand he is a CIA trap? Such people do not

It is a problem of the Russian mind: as a rule, they do not understand
and do not trust Western dissidents of Assange’s ilk. They want their
western sympathisers to be bought and paid for. Free agents are
suspicious in their eyes. God knows there are many people in the West
whose opinions roughly coincide with those of the Russians; but the
Russians would prefer to buy a journalist off the peg. That’s why RT
has had more than its fair share of defectors, that is of broadcasters
who denounced RT and went to the Western mass media.

A few times I have defended Julian on Russian TV shows. Usually my
opponents would say: he is a tool of Western intelligence services.
Wait, he will soon publish something really nasty about Russia. With
years, this mistrust didn’t diminish. So for good or for bad, mighty
Russia does not and did not stand by Julian, who was and remained his
own master.

On the other hand, Julian has no special feelings for Russia.
Geopolitically, he is very much a man of the West. Even in his
ostensible defence of Russia, he is always doing it from the Western
point of view. He was against expulsion of Russian diplomats during
the Skripal Affair, because it would “help the Kremlin further a
narrative that it is under conspiratorial siege led by the US,” in
other words, it was damaging the West and entrenching Russian
suspicions of a hostile Western agenda.

* Assange published the DNC documents, Podesta emails, Hillary Clinton
email thus helping the US voter to make up his mind for whom to vote
in these last fateful elections. In my view, President Trump is
heavily indebted to Assange.

* His Wikileaks published expose of hackers’ tools used by CIA and
NSA, their surveillance programs, their interference in foreign
elections, i.e. in recent French elections;

*He allowed us to have a look at the secret correspondence of the
Saudis and Syrians, of the Russians and French, of Turks, of the IMF
and what not;

*He disclosed the conspiracy of Labour MPs against Jeremy Corbyn.

*His own opinions expressed in his Tweets were very valuable. In the
midst of the Skripal campaign, Assange reminded that us “while it is
reasonable for Theresa May to view the Russian state as the leading
suspect, so far the evidence is circumstantial & the OCPW has not yet
made any independent confirmation, permitting the Kremlin push the
view domestically that Russia is persecuted.”

He and his organisation provided opinions and expertise on North Korea
at the time of Kim-Trump summit, publishing Clinton’s confidential
disclosure that the US does not want unification of Korean peninsula,
and hundreds of confidential and secret documents on NK nuclear tests.

I would love to see him free, as I admire him. He is not a spent
force, and he still will be able to contribute a lot for mankind’s
wellbeing. And good people, our comrades-in-arms, understand that and
struggle for his freedom.

    Roger Waters concert last night in Berlin #PinkFloyd

    "Resist the attempted silencing of @JulianAssange"

    — WikiLeaks (@wikileaks) June 3, 2018

Roger Waters, of Pink Floyd fame, life-long supporter of Palestinian
struggle, displayed a banner in support of Julian Assange at a concert
in Berlin. Many journalists of the Disobedient Media are organizing an
online vigil under the banner of #ReconnectJulian. Yes, reconnect, by
all means, but let him go! This is more important and more urgent. Six
years of imprisonment is too much for this guiltless man.

Let Hermes, the Messenger of Zeus, in whatever guise, be that a
Trump’s associate or Corbyn’s assistant, come to Theresa May and tell
her, as he said to Calypso: “You keep a most unlucky man, but it is
not his fate to die here, release him at once!”

Israel Shamir can be reached at [email protected]

This article was first published at The Unz Review.
← Poland Under the Jewish MessiahKeep Babies Out →
Subscribe to New Columns

• Category: Foreign Policy • Tags: American Media, Julian Assange, Wikileaks
Recently from Author

    The Sheer Joy of Afghanistan
    Trans-Digital vs Oil
    Covid Riots
    Soul-Searching Science
    The Israeli Farce

Related Pieces by Author

    Julian in the Dock
    Assange Bound
    The Sheer Joy of Afghanistan
    Navalny Poison
    Enough Is Enough

Of Related Interest
Assange Wins. the Cost: Press Freedom Is Crushed, and Dissent Labelled
Mental Illness
Jonathan Cook
The US Is Using the Guardian to Justify Jailing Assange for Life. Why
Is the Paper So Silent?
Jonathan Cook
The Julian Assange Trial: the Mask of Empire Has Fallen
Pepe Escobar
← Poland Under the Jewish MessiahKeep Babies Out →
Hide 129 CommentsLeave a Comment
"The Long Captivity of Julian Assange"
Commenters to Follow
Trim Comments?

    niteranger says:
    June 21, 2018 at 4:34 am GMT • 100 Words

    Assange was set up most likely by MI-6, CIA and the Mossad. The
Deep State will not let go. They want him to die in the embassy or
they will kill him if he tries to escape. If he ever gets out of the
embassy he will be tracked for the rest of life and eliminated. This
is why Snowden went to Russia. He knew too well what would happen if
he stayed in a country that these agencies had the ability to work in.

    The Deep State Agencies are sending a clear message for anyone who
thinks that they will be the next Assaange.
    • Agree: The Scalpel, Realist
    • Replies: @Deschutes
    Jeff Stryker says:
    June 21, 2018 at 4:48 am GMT • 200 Words


    He’s from Australia, a place I have done business though
regrettably American, and it is probably the most pleasant country in
the Western world overall.

    It is a damn sight nicer than the United States (I was shocked,
being from Detroit, at how prosperous and pleasant life was there for
the white working class due to his minimum wages).

    So why doesn’t he go back there?

    He’s fortunate enough to have an Australian passport.

    My first thought when I did business with Australia is that I wish
I had immigrated there in my 20’s No, it is not perfect. Few countries

    But compare it to Michigan, my birthplace, and it is quite pleasant.

    When American patriots get on this board and go on and on about
what a great country the US is I remind them that Australia is better
in every sense. Higher standard of living, lower rate of crime.
    • Replies: @The Scalpel, @Anonymous, @bjondo, @Deschutes
    byrresheim says:
    June 21, 2018 at 4:49 am GMT

        He is not a spent force

    The enemy knows and will sit him out.


    Thank you for reminding us, sir.
    Jeff Stryker says:
    June 21, 2018 at 4:51 am GMT

    Australia is a nice country. Why doesn’t he return there? It is a
damn sight nicer than the US.
    • Replies: @Anonymous, @animalogic
    Fran Macadam says:
    June 21, 2018 at 5:01 am GMT

    In agreement with all stated.
    jilles dykstra says:
    June 21, 2018 at 6:38 am GMT

    The land of freedom, democracy and human rights of course cannot
allow the child that says that the emperor wears no clothes.
    The EU moves in the same direction now.
    MSM already is under control, internet is the next target.
    • Replies: @annamaria
    Brabantian says: • Website
    June 21, 2018 at 7:13 am GMT • 400 Words

    Both Benjamin Netanyahu and Zbigniew Brezinzski openly admitted
pro-Israel Julian Assange is a fraud run by Western intel agencies

    Assange not even really ‘living’ at the Ecuador Embassy,
apparently, but rather moved in and out by Britain’s MI5-MI6 for
meetings with Shamir-types, which is the reason the
under-security-orders UK police ‘watch’ the place … Ecuador staff it
seems getting some bribery dosh to play along

    It seems Assange is shuttled in & out from his ‘Embassy closet’ to
the big country house of a Rothschild friend where he seems to
actually live, where Julian has all those nice changes of clothing &
grooming aids for his video ‘appearances’ … Is Israel Shamir a dupe of
this Julian Assange whom he met, or is Shamir himself on the intel

    Re anti-9-11-truth, Israel-loving, non-Israel-leaking Assange –
who has had lawyers also serving the Rothschild family – and also
lawyered by ultra-Zionist Alan Dershowitz

    At least two leakers were quickly dead after trusting Julian
Assange & contacting him – Seth Rich & Peter W Smith – and maybe many
others we will never hear about … in Smith’s case, the liar Assange
says he never received Smith’s files, yeah, right

    Strangely the authorities do not cut off Assange’s fund-raising
schemes despite all his allegedly ‘illegal’ activity

    Along with his succeeding also-proven-to-be-a-faker, Edward
Snowden, who first ‘leaked’ to Dick Cheney’s friend & biographer, ha!

    Frauds Assange & Snowden & Greenwald refuse to publicise the files
they have on the bribery of USA national federal Virginia judges, even
though … those are the same judges who would put Assange & Snowden
themselves ‘on trial’ in the USA, and the files would totally block
any extradition of Assange or Snowden!

    Edward Snowden & Julian Assange madly support the Tor browser,
developed by CIA-tied spooks (US Naval Research & DARPA Defence
Advanced Research Projects Agency) … apparently created for elite
paedophiles, who can use Tor to access paedophilia & trafficked
children without local police agencies / internet providers observing
… tho the NSA and CIA apparently can track through TOR … Wikileaks
compels you to use Tor to contact them

    Assange had set up the US President’s son, Donald Trump Jr, to be
criminally prosecuted .. Assange & Wikileaks recommended that young
Trump violate the US federal CFAA law, the Computer Fraud and Abuse
Act, which makes it a crime to attempt to log-in to a website using a
stolen or guessed password

    Julian Assange’s childhood seems to be involved with a CIA-tied
mind-control children’s home in Australia, ‘The Family’, where they
dyed the colour of the kids’ hair blonde to make them look … a lot
like Julian looks
    • Replies: @Anonymous, @republic, @annamaria, @Lincoln Blockface
Squarebeard III, @Deschutes, @annamaria, @daniel le mouche, @Johan
    Wizard of Oz says:
    June 21, 2018 at 8:58 am GMT • 200 Words

    I know nothing of Julian Assange that isn’t or at least could be
common knowledge. I doubt if we would often vote for the same
political candidates but, if it were possible to feel shame for one’s
government (I can’t imagine pride so I think that bars shame) I would
be ashamed that the Australian government hasn’t rescued him and a
previous – Labor PM – even slandered him as a criminal.

    As a part of the Anglosphere with some ties to the UK I can’t help
being disgusted with its part in keeping him locked up and under
threat of being shanghaied to America’s appalling justice system.

    I hope to call on him one day in London and offer whatever meagre
support I can.

    Here’s a thought. Can Ron get a scoop by publishing something from
Assange which fills an empty niche in our knowledge and understanding?

    Question. I hadn’t heard that the first Swedish bird had worked
for the CIA. Can you pls sew that one up with strong evidentiary links
and quotes?
    • Replies: @Anonymous, @republic
    WorkingClass says:
    June 21, 2018 at 9:16 am GMT

    England! Why would a truth teller go to England?
    • Replies: @Anon
    animalogic says:
    June 21, 2018 at 9:55 am GMT • 100 Words

    Well, I’ve learned a couple things (which I hope are accurate):
    1. The female complainant had CIA links (& Assange’s trist with
her was thus a “set up”) &
    2. That failure to use a condom may amount to 2ND degree rape in
glorious Sweden ( are they for-fucking-real ?)
    Unlike the author, I’m less than convinced Assange, personally is
such a great guy. Nor do all the neo/matrix stuff do much for me.
However, Assange’s is a case of gross injustice & vicious governmental
conspiracy. How the Dreck that rule us hate to have their moral
pollution & habitual crimes revealed! How DARE Assange !
    I still think it’s 50/50 that they’ll still get their hooks into Assange.
    • Replies: @Liberty Mike, @Lincoln Blockface Squarebeard III
    m___ says:
    June 21, 2018 at 11:08 am GMT • 1,500 Words

    A champion by genes.

    Julian, and growing. From expanding and comprehension of the
toolkit(a smirk as Hillary Clinton not even understanding the use of a
mail server, and choosing advisers who know barely more then herself),
to fit in the concept of relevancy of planet and long term timelines.

    Julian was polymathing Geo-politics, sociology, the first step of
AI(data gathering), theoretical ethics and a different kind of
globalisation. What a modern scientist should be, building tools, and
applying them to meaningful subjects. Very like publish and perish
this turns out to be. Must be why there are so few scientists left in
conventional circles.

    Julian squatting at the intersection where it really matters:
positioned publicly at the controls of of a stealthy organisation.
Wikileaks our guess is not much more then the singular Julian’s brain
and a handful of full-time collaborators. The output for bucks makes
CIA and consorts laugheable. Another proof that adding IQ per
individual per organization matters little. Most organizations are
handy men that correlate to each other, and hover enough above the
bulk of humanities mean cognitive capabilities so as to keep being
understood by them. To be a success, one must be humble. To produce
status, Harry Potter beats Wikileaks. Pushing ideas most do not grasp,
excerting the frontal cortex with better raw data was never as popular
as soccer to most. The empirics of above are everywhere. Tommy
Robinson anyone? That is probably another argument why Julian was
handed such a long lifeline. It was supposed to all die on itself, as
predicatively as Occupy Wall street. Implosion in case preferred to

    To play in the face of power(no state or corporate player in the
world today, does not acutely and permanently feel the humiliation
Assange brought to their particular Ponzi scheme of choice), including
Russia, notice the silence of Eduard Snowden, including any corporate
media, got an original face. This is called writing history. Wikileaks
regardless of Julian’s incorporation is an original concept in itself.

    Julian facing the crowded middle classes, who reference themselves
to conventional formats, Ph. d., Professor @ University, editor of(the
whole of the alternative media included), international politicians,
local politicians, administrators of the corporate beast, the whole of
the Western justice system, being made a fool of. And ever so silent,
thus is the shame, it is by the graces of the ignorant public that
this can be maintained. The middle classes sweat and whittle.

    Julian an argument for the limited cognitive capacities of our
elites. One single brain playing jester to anything of a structure.
The prototype of superior human extroverted, as always by the help of
a ream of circumstance. Speaking a language that is not comprehended
by bulk humanity, again causing the failure ofthe establishment to
recognize that the Assange phenomenon would disappear by not taking
notice. He, and nobody else harvested anonymous middle class
information, could manage the soft– and hardware to format it to
publicity. No opinionating, just publishing …to the general
comprehension of the middle classes. Searcheable formats, thought out
systemics, unclutterd by narratives.

    Academics citing Wikileaks, insiders in the financial, political
and administrative skeletons apportioning bits of information. The
stealthy processing, then anonymous exposure …to these same middle
classes containing the rare, one in ten thousand, outliers, who have
the cognitive capacity to build on the bits of information, thus
reservicing the doubt and discontent of a growing part of their own.
Touching upon the singular method for causing danger, exempt from a
meteorite, to global rule.

    Why is global civilization of the rails? Why is there less of a
difference between China, Moskou and London then there is more of the
same. That would be a dissertation of obvious evidence in itself.
Consider this to quelch all arguments. What society in it’s right mind
measures progress without writing of the liabilities caused by it.
Toxicity, population issues, migrations do not even have a column in
the ledger of neither, the corporatacracy, the supra-national elites,
nation states, or anything other. Only relevancy and oversight exposes
this. At the level of rule there is no concern. The convention is
“write liabilities of on the back of bulk global humanity”. An
allegory? What about castles and the progress of warfare, no wall will
create a save-haven in the longer run. Still walls of convention is
the method of power mongers.

    Bulk humanity, on the local level never mattered in history. It is
the one in ten thousand outlier that comes up with something of a hint
to contradiction. Julian catered to those, that can be mortal to a
system, it can build bias to “diligence” of convention. Simplified,
comprehension can trickle down. The so obvious has taken years to
grasp for the elites of the world, that is why the processing of
Assange was allowed to be drawn out. The elites could not comprehend
that an individual, a tiny sub-group of humanity in it’s stream, with
no capital(the factor sine qua non of anything of stature in the
concept of elite reality), no drive to mimic conventional career could
amount to something. That Wikileaks was not catering to bulk
humanity(not a Tommy Robinson) but to discontented middle class
mercenaries and system whores escaped the screen. Both, the lack of
capital(literally no power nucleus bought into Wikileaks, the message
being obnoxious, to no short term avail to a single profit monger),
and the target of outliers, were not understood. Probably the biggest
factor of this flaw in the power elites and their ego-serving
mercenaries is the incomprehension that when thinking the world one
must speak at the least two languages, the one of machines, as the one
of humans. Similar actors of recognizing this method of better
decision making sold out. Fecesbook, Google or whatever name it cloaks
itself under currently, Wikipedia, and on, sold out. And got a
preferential seat at the power conferences. It is probably these
actors that got the conventional barons to grasp how the killing of
the rogue Assange was prominent an issue.

    We remember, some eight to nine years ago, to point from the top
of the head, somewhere in the time frame of “Occupy Wall street”, the
signs on the wall were obvious, as to Wikileaks and Assange. We
anticipated then the weak side of the operation. Julian, the person.
Subversives tolerate no faces. Then how to propagate a concept that is
complex and delicate thus hardly understood then by mirroring it into
the face of the hero. We dropped a file addressed to Assange,
suggesting a correction. Of course an answer was never expected. We
though hope our suggestion is taken into consideration today.
Wikileaks should go top to bottom under cover. There is no real work
to be done when physical pressure can be exerted. Real power has no

    The lack of future of Julian,

    wish him the strength and stamina of Thor, Allah, God and Reason
to surmount the impossible.

    The possibility of Julian being set free, not over the dead bodies
of any and all insiders in global decision making. Do not be meek,
Assange, the person is lost. What really bothers is the distance to
something similar as historical in our generational future. Do not
count on the Tim Dotcoms of our world, the Tor browsers of updates, to
mimic the mined pathways of Assange. The Assange concept of subversion
hoovered three variants above the mean contraption of activism.
Original, multi disciplinary, and quite extraordinarily(politicians
and policy makers lack balls, thus content themselves by focusing with
disregard as to relevance) not exempt of physical courage an
operation. Brains and balls, and the latter factors mentioned make it
highly improbable that a similar concept of a few gifted individuals
can scale to global worry in the near future. That is the real
tragedy. The tragedy of quality losing out to quantity principles. Far
behind is the similar distortion and caption of Bitcoin and the
concept of it.


    we do sincerely care for Julian Assange the person. Never having
met in real life, his curiculum was followed and will be followed with
emotional engagement whenever we can allow ourselves. Including his
probable break-down, or wear-out, the “manigances” to have him die out
of the eye of the public. He is more then a courageous person, he is
in life a legend. There are others, though none impacted as much in
modern day history as to means and method combined with relevancy.
Julian has won, whatever happens. Julian is the enlightenment
universal mind, it must be lonely in his realm.


    Shame to the middle classes that cater to the power elites, the
conventional “Chomsky et al” that pretend pointing out flaws of well
intentioned societal systemics, and have no bone receiving their
financial and ego rewards. The ones who comprehend have no excuses.
Cowards, insidious inferior ideas rule!
    • Replies: @justagoon
    Anonymous [AKA "Netflix"] says:
    June 21, 2018 at 11:12 am GMT • 200 Words
    @Jeff Stryker

    Stryker, try to overcome for a second the self-aggrandising
self-absorption that comes from you living under a flat rock since
2012. Do try to keep up with the adults, there’s a good fellow.

    Assange is in mortal danger of extradition to CONUS once he leaves
his Ecuador asylum in London, notwithstanding that Ecuador granted him

    There is a UK arrest warrant out for Assange for him breaching
bail conditions when he fled to the Ecuador Embassy.

    The substantiated fear of one of his lawyers J Robinson as
expressed in an RT interview a few days back was that if Assange
leaves his asylum with no guarantees given him prior, the currently
secret US extradition order will be served upon the UK authorities who
will naturally obey Washington and deliver Assange up.
    GUS has been working on how to nail him in the face of the US
First Amendment since 2012.

    Your jejune comments remind me of the Assange enemies who bleat
day in, day out: “nobody is stopping him leaving the Ecuador embassy”
    animalogic says:
    June 21, 2018 at 11:21 am GMT
    @Jeff Stryker

    Sadly, the Australian State cares more about it’s US subservience
– sorry, alliance – than it does about a mere citizen.
    The Scalpel says: • Website
    June 21, 2018 at 12:23 pm GMT
    @Jeff Stryker

    He does not go back because, of all the Anglophone nations,
Australia is the biggest sycophant to the US. They would immediately
turn him over to US Authorities where he would likely be tortured as
Bradley Manning was tortured, then possibly killed.
    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    anon[317] • Disclaimer says:
    June 21, 2018 at 12:51 pm GMT • 600 Words

    The privately owned Deep State denies humans their freedom. The
privately owned Deep State conducts 24/7 surveillance over all humans
The privately owned Deep State threatens to murder J. Assange. The
nation state puppets help them do that.

    These denials and abuses by privately owned parties present
humongous challenges to humans but at the same time they open to
opportunity the possibility for humanity to organize itself in ways
that are transparent to the privately owned deep state influence over
the nation states. Global human mass effort may be needed to stop the
privately owned deep state.

    Israel is working to try to stop the BDS movement everywhere the
privately owned deep state and the nation state leaders are working to
deny humanity access to knowledge, right to express ideas, to share
knowledge, and to participate in any but the privately owned deep
state designed “social society”. Has the privately owned deep state
substituted itself as the state?
Humanity has ultimate jurisdiction over nation states and over all
systems of governance. Now the nation states do not want to be
humane.. the privately owned deep state wants to beat the hell out of

    Abuse ain’t going stop until humanity discovers ways to defend
itself from the awesome authority the privately owned deep state has
to deny humanity through its nation state puppets.

    Destroy human life, disrupt human quality of life, replace human
life with robots.
An Effective way to do something useful..

    Even decisions and demands by representative forms of government
are ignored by the privately owned deep state. Looks like the
Trump-Kim deal has been reversed. The will of the mass of the people
is derived from the inalienable human right to self determination. All
political power ultimately belongs to the governed humanity.
Governments are constituted to off load the administration of
advancing human life, but when governments start to preserve
themselves, or when private interest can cause the governments to seek
to preserve themselves, against those who constituted the governments,
then what? Neither congress nor President are powerful enough to over
come the demands of the privately owned deep state. It looks like it
might take the entire world to overrule the few privateers that
currently control.

    If robots are challenging humans for high paying thinking jobs.
and if humans fail to maintain their individual and collective right
to self determination then all that is human will be subject to the
will, might and control of the robot. If humans fail to demand their
right to know, if humans fail to expend the energy to stop, if humans
fail to interfere with or deny those who abuse or infringe human
rights, If humans allow the privately owned deep state its assertions
that it owns all that is human, then soon the robots will regulate,
decide for, and police every human activity.

    Humanity will be rendered not only helpless but also expendable.

    Unless humanity supports Julian Assange, others like him will not
come forward and reveal to humanity the awful silence that allows the
privately owned deep state to pick and choose what constitutes the
media environment that directs and controls the course and outcomes of
our lives.

    Has Assange suffered to enable 8 billion humans to over rule the 1
million or so privately owned profiteers who currently control the
world as if they own it? or, will the privately owned deep state own
    • Replies: @m___
    Michael Kenny says:
    June 21, 2018 at 1:10 pm GMT

    The standard “Assange is being held against his will” nonsense. He
has in fact been “outed” as a supporter of Putin and the fact that he
has never published anything seriously critical of the Russian
Federation tends to confirm that.
    • Replies: @Liberty Mike, @Lincoln Blockface Squarebeard III,
@Anon, @Deschutes
    Anonymous [AKA "CIA Transnational Organized Crime"] says:
    June 21, 2018 at 1:26 pm GMT • 200 Words

    And let’s not let this state torture victim get airbrushed out of existence,

    Note CIA’s signature frameup: child pornography fresh from Playpen
loaded onto the patsy’s server, as used on transparency advocate Matt
DeHart, among others.

    Schulte is alleged to be a Wikileaks source, the human rights
defender who disclosed programmatic CIA derogations of Article 17. If
he did it, he’s a hero comparable to Snowden. If.

    Poor guy looks to have been framed to conceal a catastrophic CIA
cock-up that calls for mass RIFs and zero-based budgeting:

    Now CIA is blinded and the US government is subject to suspension
of multiple international agreements for duplicitous proceedings, and
to restitution, reparation, and compensation with interest for
internationally wrongful acts.

    The ultimate defenders of our human right to privacy are out of
reach of CIA. CIA is going down just like the SS and the Stasi did.
    Anonymous[680] • Disclaimer says:
    June 21, 2018 at 1:33 pm GMT
    @Jeff Stryker

    The prime minister already indicated she would immediately
extradite him if he were to return.
    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    m___ says:
    June 21, 2018 at 1:39 pm GMT • 200 Words

        Has Assange suffered to enable 8 billion humans to over rule
the 1 million or so privately owned profiteers who currently control
the world as if they own it? or, will the privately owned deep state
own humanity?

    Two remarks,

    Assange only touched on a few outliers within the elites. Made
them very itchy. He delegated the horse and labor to the middle class
mercenaries. That made those itchy in return, preaching ignorance to
the masses and being outwitted from by an outsider? Intolerable.

    “Privately owned deep state” will own humanity, exempt from a
meteorite, see our comment higher up. Just wait and see what it morphs
into these coming decades. Biologically distinct humanity.

        Academics citing Wikileaks, insiders in the financial,
political and administrative skeletons apportioning bits of
information. The stealthy processing, then anonymous exposure …to
these same middle classes containing the rare, one in ten thousand,
outliers, who have the cognitive capacity to build on the bits of
information, thus reservicing the doubt and discontent of a growing
part of their own. Touching upon the singular method for causing
danger, exempt from a meteorite, to global rule. — m___

    Mostly we agree with @anon.
    Anonymous[680] • Disclaimer says:
    June 21, 2018 at 1:41 pm GMT • 100 Words

    You really do talk some absolute nonsense. I had a quick look at
your website and my bullshit detector flew off the scale.

        Edward Snowden & Julian Assange madly support the Tor browser,
developed by CIA-tied spooks (US Naval Research & DARPA Defence
Advanced Research Projects Agency) …

    DARPA already invented the whole damned internet. Tor is just
another layer on top.

        tho the NSA and CIA apparently can track through TOR …
Wikileaks compels you to use Tor to contact them

    ‘apparently’? Tor is still state of the art technology. Until now,
not one single criminal investigation has shown any ability to decrypt
Tor traffic.
    • Replies: @Israel Shamir
    Rurik says:
    June 21, 2018 at 1:45 pm GMT • 500 Words

        Sadly, the Australian State cares more about it’s US
subservience – sorry, alliance – than it does about a mere citizen.


    “’s ZUS subservience..”

    since it’s obvious that the US is under an occupation at least as
suffocating as Australia is, if not far more so.

    How many Australians have died in post 9/11 wars for Israel?

    How many trillions have Australians been taxed to fund Eternal
Wars for Israel?

    How many false flag atrocities did Australians suffer to foist the
pretext for the Eternal Wars (for Israel)?

    Do they treat Australian grandmothers and children like dangerous
terrorists at the airports for domestic flights?

    Is Australia barraged day in, day out with calls to support Israel
from every church, media or government sewage pipe?

    Do all Australian politicians have to go and abase themselves at
‘the wailing wall? As our sniveling lickspittles are all expected to,
(or else ; )

    It’s true of course that Australia (and Europe and most of the
West) are under the iron fist of imposed fealty to the Fiend. But few
(other than Germany and England, Sweden, France and Canada) are more
so than the ZUSA itself.

    Personally I wish Assange (and Snowden) would use the nuclear
option and release the avalanche of cyber proof that 9/11 was an
Israeli operation. For some reason they’ve not done so yet, and are
hoping for a reprieve for their restraint. But as long as we’re all
forced to participate in this farce, we should all be forced to do so
with the full knowledge that it’s all out in the open; that 9/11 was a
Mossad/CIA false flag and all the wars are criminal, immoral, evil and
blight on all our souls.

    Let’s stop play acting that there’s any kind of justification for
the Eternal War. Let us all admit that we’re sacrificing our children,
our wealth, our innocence and our dignity into the bowels of Moloch’s
flames. In order to placate the Fiend, and enjoy another day of
relative comfort.

    And that goes for you and I, just as it goes for the heroes
Assange and Snowden. At least they sacrificed some of their comfort,
and that’s more than I have done.

    Anyways, the point is that it’s the ZUSA that is the ‘eye of
Sauron’ for evil and iniquity in the world, and violence against human
freedom, dignity and peace.

    And ALL of that is a direct consequence of the US being under an
(((iron occupation))).

    If the American people were able to express their collective will
on government affairs, foreign and domestic, we’d end all the wars. We
bring all the troops home. We’d no longer be a bully on the world’s
stage, murdering and menacing whoever looks at Israel cross-eyed.

    We’d be no different than the Australians or Austrians, wanting
peace and prosperity at home, and trade and good-will to all. With no
hostilities or entangling alliances with any.
    • Agree: Liberty Mike, Druid
    Anonymous[680] • Disclaimer says:
    June 21, 2018 at 1:49 pm GMT • 100 Words
    @Wizard of Oz

        I hope to call on him one day in London and offer whatever
meagre support I can.

    I tried this last time I was in London. The door to the embassy
was answered by an Ecuadorian, who politely declined and then shut the
door in my face when I asked him if I could see Julian. The English
policeman standing next to the door appeared to have a very large
amount of sand in his vagina, and bade me farewell accordingly. The
policemen outside were much nicer and we had a nice little chat about
the state of affairs. Turns out they’re more interested in watching
the shopgirls coming out of Harrods than human rights or anything like
that though.
    Dagon Shield says:
    June 21, 2018 at 3:02 pm GMT

    By Jove! Israel is soooo right… but Assange isn’t going anywhere.
    anony-mouse says:
    June 21, 2018 at 3:11 pm GMT

    Since this website likes talking about hidden history, let me pull
something out of the deep depths of the distant past:

    Assange said he would give himself up to US authorities if Manning
was released.

    Pretty much tells you about the investigative journalism and the
investigative history here.
    • Replies: @anonymous
    mike k says:
    June 21, 2018 at 3:38 pm GMT • 100 Words

    Bargaining with the British/American government (Empire) is like
making a deal with the Devil (the folk representation of the essence
of evil). The junior devils (bureaucrats) within the Devil’s network
will carry out their assignments (little Eichmanns!) lying,
corrupting, torturing, murdering – while all the while pretending to
be angels of mercy and justice. The brainwashed public will celebrate
Assange’s torture and death, just as they did the fate of Socrates or
Jesus. The more things change, the more it is the same sad old story
that is told once more – about truth murdered by it’s enemies.
    Liberty Mike says:
    June 21, 2018 at 4:17 pm GMT

    Why are you less than convinced that Assange is personally a great guy?
    Liberty Mike says:
    June 21, 2018 at 4:21 pm GMT
    @Michael Kenny

    Show us the irrefutable proof that Assange is not being held
against his will.

    SHOW US.

    SHOW US.

    SHOW US.
    bjondo says:
    June 21, 2018 at 6:28 pm GMT
    @Jeff Stryker


    this has what to do with Assange being set up and tortured and
facing Guantanamo till death do them part?

    G Britain, US, Australia, Sweden have what in common?
    Israel Shamir says:
    June 21, 2018 at 6:42 pm GMT

    Brabantian is a clear case of Hitler-in-Antarctic Man. Rothschild
my foot! We are all here Mossad agents! How did you get here? I hope
you are a Reptilian, at least?
    • Replies: @RobinG, @Wally, @Ilham
    Anon[121] • Disclaimer says: • Website
    June 21, 2018 at 7:46 pm GMT

    An upside down world.

    Now, the right likes Assange more than progs do.
    • Replies: @m___
    m___ says:
    June 21, 2018 at 8:39 pm GMT

    Freedom of speach fears not being critical of conventional ideas.
    republic says:
    June 21, 2018 at 9:00 pm GMT

    Something odd about Assange and Snowden, both accept the official
narrative for 9/11.
    • Replies: @Wally
    republic says:
    June 21, 2018 at 9:46 pm GMT • 100 Words
    @Wizard of Oz

    Anna Ardin and Sofia Wilen were the two Swedish women involved
with Assange in Stockhome. Anna Ardin without question is a US
intelligence asset. She is often described by the media as a
“leftist”. She has ties to the US-financed anti-Castro and
anti-communist groups. Once expelled from Cuba. Worked as a gender
equality officer at Uppsala University.

    she left for Israel just after the stitch-up
    RobinG says:
    June 21, 2018 at 9:58 pm GMT • 100 Words
    @Israel Shamir

    Thanks for writing about Julian. Please keep it up.

    FYI, there were 2 DC events Tuesday. First, a rally at the White
House with diverse supporters of free speech and [NON-FAKE] news,
including Ray McGovern and Lee Stranahan.

    Then a protest at British Embassy, and presentation of petition.
Organizer for both was Angel Fox,
who came down from New Hampshire for this! One person can make a
difference, and Julian shouldn’t be left to rot with nobody noticing.
    • Agree: geokat62
    niteranger says:
    June 21, 2018 at 11:53 pm GMT

    Australia is part of the 5 eyes original world surveillance spy
group–Echelon (along with US. United Kingdom, Canada, and New
Zealand). The Aussies will never help Assange they are dupes of the
    Randy says:
    June 22, 2018 at 1:26 am GMT • 100 Words

    “So many epithets used by Homer for the King of Ithaca fit Julian
to a tee! He is wise and noble, resourceful and cunning, wily and
crafty, brilliant and steadfast, but also evil-starred man of woe.”

    Have to disagree. Odysseus is a famous teller of tall tales.
Wikileaks to best of my knowledge has never been shown to tell any
lies, noble or otherwise. Maybe a better characterization is
Zarathustra. Assange is both a lover of truth and unmatched straight
shooter with his bow.
    • Replies: @m___
    anony-mouse says:
    June 22, 2018 at 1:55 am GMT

    Wikileaks has just released a searchable database of ICE

    Next time somebody here babbles on about how important borders are…
    • Replies: @Alden
    Anonymous [AKA "Haspel Simulated LIve Burial, LLC"] says:
    June 22, 2018 at 2:02 am GMT • 100 Words

    Bear in mind that for Ecuador as a CAT treaty party, release to
either Britain or the US would be in breach of its binding commitment
to non-refoulement. The US is implicated in systematic and widespread
torture including psychological CIDT of Wikileaks source Chelsea
Manning, and Britain is under investigation by the ICC for CIDT in
    BubbaJack says:
    June 22, 2018 at 3:19 am GMT

    Wikileaks just doxxed ICE agents.
    edNels says:
    June 22, 2018 at 4:09 am GMT • 500 Words

    One of the problems with the concept of Free society is that too
many sheeple are allowed to take up space and occupy in real time in
the World, on Earth, while those types were never qualified to be Free
humans, much less Citezens, much less anything better than Slaves.

    Think more of slaves as the base bottom catagorie of human
protoplasmic mistake that is allowed to live, only if it can be
harnessed to do gainful work, along with other beasts of burden and
draft critters.

    When these monsters run free with the good people, they pollute
the works, make it impossible to hold any consensus or to have a level
of decency beneath which life isn’t really viable, not as worth living
from the standpoint other than as in what I will call the mean
survival mode, unfortunately, which has become the default over the
ages, and humans have forgotten. Forgotten that… ie: a Life unexamined
is not fit to live” Now it is more important that little stupid
benchmarks are achieved, like being accepted to something, or other,
making enough money to live on a golf course… hahaha or WTF?

    Too many idiotic people are just lying in wait to jump on the next
lynch mob opportunity, all they lust for is to have a go at a victim,
Christ like, virtuous to some with enough high tonedness to appreciate
that, (not the low brows, who don’t have much fine tuned mentality
enough to even get the point of these things.)

    Like that fox news host who said… ”Shoot the SOB!”, and how does
he back up a need for that, who did Assange hurt distinctly enough to
directly infer that . It is just an opportunity to channel blind rage,
collectively, lynch mob mentality, from the low brows that live among

    The world needs needs a method to put the neanderthal in chains
working beneath the basements on tread mills, whipped to work. that is
the daemonic part of humans that should be dealt with. otherwise they
pollute the world.

    Probably 50% of humans and all else at any time is satanic
antilife in essence, getting over on the good folks!!! But the good
folks have been put to sleep. with stupid liberal BS, but it is
getting to be known now from the total excesses particularly in the
crazy gender bending lunacy.

    Even if Julian is a fake, the issues is that he wants the truth of
corruption to be out in the light, that is the issue, first he should
be treated right, then if a fake, then he should answer charges on
specifics… like laws like as if there is a rule of law, that makes
life worth living in free societies.

    The bastards who are trying to turn that over and have what…
capricious WTF and some unseen just kills whoever they want… that’s
just wrong, even if it is coming soon!!!!
    Carlton Meyer says: • Website
    June 22, 2018 at 4:35 am GMT • 100 Words

    From my blog:

    May 29, 2018 – Fake News About Julian Assange

    Some news sites report that Wikileaks founder Julian Assange is
willing to testify before Congress about the Clinton
e-mail/Russia/Trump investigations. The response from Congress is
fear, but our corporate media fails to report key details to explain
why. First, Assange has often stated that Wikileaks never got
information from the Russian government. In addition, Assange might
reveal the massive corruption uncovered about the Clinton crime
family. Moreover, Assange has already given interviews where he
provided the answers, but our corporate media refuses to air them. The
corporate media never disputes revelations of massive corruption by
Hillary Clinton, they only want proof that this truthful information
was provided by Russia.

    Watch this great interview where Australia’s most famous
journalist interviews Assange.

    • Replies: @m___
    Wizard of Oz says:
    June 22, 2018 at 6:15 am GMT • 100 Words
    @The Scalpel

    No mostly wrong though the Gillard Labor government behaved
disgracefully when he was first banged up. (Probably because Julia
Gillard naively accepted the Swedish rape stories it now occurs to
me). He hasn’t returned to Australia because the Australian government
hasn’t exercised muscle on some flabby Brits (who beat Australians for
being America’s lapdogs) and insisted that he be allowed out of the UK
without being arrested.

    Also, unlike the UK Australia hasn’t adopted extradition law which
would allow Assange to be extradited even if public outrage didn’ t
stop the government enforcing a magistrate’s decision in favour of
extradition. If you know anything about Australia remember the case of
the little worm David Hicks whom, in the end, the Australian
government had to rescue from Guantanamo Bay to appease his
    Wizard of Oz says:
    June 22, 2018 at 6:18 am GMT

    Ambiguous. You mean that if he were not in the Ecquadorian Embassy
Mrs May’s UK government would ship hum to the US? Australia hasn’t had
a female PM since 2013.
    Wally says:
    June 22, 2018 at 7:09 am GMT • 100 Words
    @Israel Shamir

    Or is it the ‘Hitler who lives in a small South American village
guarded by SS veterans’?

    Anyway, it’s still the Hitler that never had an alleged ‘6,000,000
Jews, & 5,000,000 others’ murdered.

    Ach,” he said, “we’ve often fantasized about drawing up an
indictment against Adolf Hitler himself. And to put into that
indictment the major charge: the Final Solution of the Jewish question
in Europe, the physical annihilation of Jewry. And then it dawned upon
us, what would we do? We didn’t have the evidence.”
    – so called “holocaust historian” Raul Hilberg

    The ‘6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’ are scientifically
impossible frauds.
    See the ‘holocaust’ scam debunked here:
    No name calling, level playing field debate here:
    Wally says:
    June 22, 2018 at 7:13 am GMT

    Is that really true?
    I never heard that before.

    Sources please.

    • Replies: @republic
    m___ says:
    June 22, 2018 at 8:52 am GMT • 300 Words


    also an unlucky individual with a “personality disorder”,
individuals with an IQ at the extreme of the bell curve are by
definition not wanted, not comprehended, outliers socially to the mean
population. Most of them. Julian definitely is an outlier, thus an
easy target for the middle class to become an outcast. The media,
justice system, administrators of the public system, most of the
middle class translators to the bulk of humanity hate individuals who
see through their binary idiocies.

    A Tommy Robbinson howling “street” or “rap” or “populist”
soundbites, has an easy binary logic behind his concepts, blind spots,
a limited context in what he utters is true. A cute prototype “one of
us” is of course a better profile to drift into the public conscience.

    Let’s forget activism as posting as headless chickens, toting
banners in fair weather, wish Wikileaks and His to become an
inspiration for a concept of data mining and quality publication. The
methods are in the public domain, and the content is unending. Let
them be an inspiration to generations. Someone make the bridge between
concepts of Bitcoin and Wikileaks.

    Again, Assange was stepping the toes of the middle class, the
street does not comprehend his language, his manners, his interests.
That’s what makes him such a personal offense to our politicians and
other serfs of capital(not cognitive) elites. None seem to have as a
group a superior cognitive capacity, hence method and choice of

    What makes Assange dangerous is the stir of middle class dissent
possible. That of course is mortal to any system of society. Russia,
China, the West, all experts, media, politicians, business monkeys,
agree silently: “this guy makes us look like the shit we represent”.
Unforgivable. Imagine the ego of a Pompeo being struck to the stomach
with a mirror image of infatuation, no authenticity, bland jelly and
no Pavlov response to his ego.
    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    m___ says:
    June 22, 2018 at 9:56 am GMT • 400 Words
    @Carlton Meyer

    Why do “Hillaries and Clintons” float to the center of gravity,
where the wealth and power are?

    One of the reasons is that cognitive capabilities, knowledge,
formal knowledge of the state of the world is derisory to the “job”.
What is required in the first and foremost loyalty to the per-during
elites of capital. Our supra national elites ultimately. A mafia
system, loyalty to godfather’s capital interests of the in-group supra
national elites.

    Capital as the part that can be translated into concrete, and a
whiff of ego, to their second rate, sluggish minds concrete being the
most per-during asset of our planet.

    Ethics only play a secondary role, and only concerning their own,
much like any in-group(mainstream criminal or not) oriented
association. Opportunism, translated in realized gain(concrete and
resulting ego(credibility to the masses) is the ultimate god.

    That makes the Hillaries such prized serfs. Devout, simple and
humble as to the rulers, generational proofs of loyalty, highly
compromised, a next generation in the lining(Billy Gates’ daughter
anyone?), phenotypically cured, unable to survive outside the bulb
environment and secondly being able to talk and inspire(an Assange and
the depth of the subject allow not) the deplorables. Hillaries are
tarred and nailed to whatever calls the daylight.

    Some things come to mind,

    Ethics is not much more then supreme(as in quality) opportunism.

    Our public elites(themselves serfs to invisible power), cannot
hover in talk and presence but a variant(IQ) or more above the mean of
the population. They need other qualities of course, the second being
very submissive to their rulers. They are essentially “translators”,
and their supply is abundant what makes them “cheap” to the de facto
elites. There is little opportunity for them to be accepted in the
power nucleus, they are commodities and disposable.

    Hillaries have a high drive for concrete and since they see the
planet as a narrow strip of highway, they can easily motivate
themselves to constantly measure success to each other, fading out the
enormous humiliation of being at the mercy of the real power players.
Joke. Remember Putin considered once a career as a taxi driver(his own
words, probably not true, since uttered publicly). The point is that
Hillaries could be as well small business owners, craftsmen, and
second grade teachers as for raw processing power. Not very
exceptional, translates into “successful” for them.

    Value is more then cognitive capacities and formalized knowledge,
but in the field of politics, making policies, it should be made a
necessary requirement. Politics not being much more then applied
science to sociology, psychology, science in general, and yes even
simple arithmetic.
    • Replies: @edNels
    anonymous[340] • Disclaimer says:
    June 22, 2018 at 11:01 am GMT

    “Assange said he would give himself up to US authorities if
Manning was released.”

    Please document that. I would like to read what precisely was
said, when, and in what context.
    • Replies: @anony-mouse
    Sparkon says:
    June 22, 2018 at 2:58 pm GMT • 100 Words

    Julian Assange hasn’t said much about 9/11 that I could find, beyond this:

        “I’m constantly annoyed that people are distracted by false
conspiracies such as 9/11, when all around we provide evidence of real
conspiracies, for war or mass financial fraud.”

        — Julian Assange

    Hmm. Assange seems to imply there are other “false conspiracies”
beyond 9/11 also distracting people, and the whole distracting lot is
keeping him in a constant state of annoyance. Aww, poor boy; real
conspiracies all around, and people are distracted by false ones. Who

    “Fake and Faker: Assange and Snowden”

    Assange fails the 9/11 litmus test.
    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    republic says:
    June 22, 2018 at 3:00 pm GMT • 100 Words

    “I’m constantly annoyed that people are distracted by false
conspiracies such as 9/11, when all around we provide evidence of real
conspiracies, for war or mass financial fraud.”

    Julian Assange on 9/11 : June 2010

    Snowden was created by intelligence agencies to serve as a
disinformation agent and a limited hangout operator who would serve to
deflect from any serious questioning of the official 9/11 narrative

    • Replies: @m___, @James Brown
    quasi_verbatim says:
    June 22, 2018 at 3:55 pm GMT

    Shame, that this paragon of all the virtues should become a
scofflaw bail-jumper.

    He, who saw the cities of many men and knew their minds, should
walk the walk and damn the consequences. Can he not save himself
    edNels says:
    June 22, 2018 at 5:52 pm GMT • 100 Words

    You summed it up about the commodification of the figureheads
anyway. Just sort of… fufu working class bumblers.

    Just a bunch of common trash rats racing for a reward. Concrete
rewards that they can see and smell and touch with the senses.
Concrete capital prizes,


        concrete being the most per-during asset of our planet.

    (pertaining to (during) transiting earthly existence, ??)

    For the average Lunkhead, it is more comforting to deal with
material items, especially if one is essentially MATERIALISTIC

    Is materialism a first level of consciousness, or a default
adjustment (in service to Mammon) when one reliably matures and drops
back from transcendental questions that are too disturbing, and not
much compensated for.

    The main thing is though how nice the leaders resonate with the
mean common denominators, and are able to start stampedes anytime,
    • Replies: @m___
    annamaria says:
    June 22, 2018 at 6:40 pm GMT • 200 Words
    @jilles dykstra

    Agree. The psychopathic deciders in both the US and the UK
cultivate the worst scum and glorify the worst war profiteers (Bush,
Cheney, Blair, May, Obama, Clinton et al).
    The noisy “progressives” and “liberals” are easily guided to do
the massive and politically correct outrages such as the stupid “pink
pussies” march on D.C.
    Various de Niros (of aged variety) and Maddows (of somewhat less
aged variety) have been puffing safely about the deciders-allowed
    But there is no popular movement to protect and free the
courageous whistle-blower Julian Assange.
    The politically correct British royal family pretends that Assange
does not exist. The allegedly law-protecting Scotland Yard always
follows the banksters’ orders. The M16 has become a collection of
opportunists afflicted with self-imposed dementia: see the hapless
Steele affairs, the incredibly stupid Skripal affair (Skripal has been
connected to M16 for years), and the M16 poodeling to the US desires
re Assange affair. The deciders (banksters & major war profiteers)
have castrated their obedient servants dwelling in the (in)Justice
system and police. A spectacle of Indecency.
    • Replies: @m___
    annamaria says:
    June 22, 2018 at 7:10 pm GMT • 300 Words

    Hey, “Brabantian,” now we know why the UK police do not allow
Assange to leave the Ecuadorian embassy and why the secret Grand Jury
in the US ruled that “Assange will be charged according to the US
Patriotic Act that define specific computer crimes as terrorist
attacks , as well as the CFAA (Computer Fraud and Abuse Act, 1-a). The
very Vice President of the United States has unambiguously described
Assange as “cyber-terrorist.”
    — You see, Assange is a “cyber-terrorist” but the Awans — and
their loving handler Debbie Wasserman-Schultz and her brother who
handles the investigation of the “worst breach in the US
cybersecurity”) are OK. Not a peep about the “cyber-terrorism” of
Awans, which became possible thanks to Debbie’s efforts and
    — Assange has insulted the global “deciders” by making the
inconvenient truths about war profiteering and the lawlessness in high
places available to all of us. As a result, Assange has been living in
confinement and became deprived of all electronic communication. —
Still not enough for you? — It seems that “Brabantian” knows for sure
that nothing works better than a smear. It is surprising that in your
battle cry for “real justice” you have omitted to mention the honey
trap and the international arrest warrant for Assange. There is your
soul-mate, “Judge” Emma Arbuthnot, a wife of a ziocon and prominent
war profiteer, who also questioned Assange courage and upheld the
arrest warrant. The despicable war profiteer Emma Arbuthnot had the
gall to accuse Assange in cowardice (like you, “Brabantian):”-2
    • Replies: @Peter Grafström
    m___ says:
    June 22, 2018 at 7:35 pm GMT • 100 Words

    You captured the note fully.


    Your twist on it is more interesting then our’s. Concrete as in
literally concrete, real-estate, mansions, “investment buildings”,
anything material, …since capital is not a realized asset, and can
melt out of control. Capital has as only function that it can be
materialized out of nothing and return to ditto as easily. Essentially
make believe with an expiration date. Not it’s first use in economics
theory, but as other digitized realities it has evolved to such. At
least the physical assets of “bunkers” soothes the prime human drifts
of our critters posing while supposedly holding the tiller.

    Maybe you do not belong at the comment section, an outlet as
compared to a department store(bloggers). You should be paid for your
comprehension, your sense of relevancy, your oversight.

    m___ says:
    June 22, 2018 at 8:11 pm GMT • 300 Words


    As far as Assange, when he would be invited to really look into
it, by any data of relevance, he would himself forge an opinion of
quality. Evading controversy is not Assange’s strongest.

    Snowden evidently by his recent silence is compromised. Wether how
to percentile outside pressure to free will, no idea.

    Wikileaks since Assange’s silencing, should be handled with extreme caution.

    With regard to 9/11. Circumferential evidence alone, any military
operative with experience must see 9/11 directed out of a cave in
Afghanistan as a joke. Ditto the whole of the operational successes of
Al Qaeda graded against the “9/11 op.” and the discrepancy speak for
themselves. Explosives experts, engineers must be hard to convince.
Planes flying into buildings, none ever had a fraction of similar
impact. The question is not why, not if, but who benefitted from the
Holywood sequel.

    Our guess, Assange has not given the issue much thought. It is
amazing how his reverse engineering, his energy, his isolation could
even nail such a body of current events, the number of players, in
such a short span of focusing in the first place. Again a grade A
intellect. Regardless of where his analysis leads him, it contains
relevancy, quantification, oversight.

    Assange’s ultimate intellectual test, when his isolation draws
out, we do not wish it to, is deep thinking using factoring that is
highly abstract. Keeping alert and better, not loosing any skills as
to interact with computers. We do not know how his autonomy is further
restricted, and we do not want to be returned half a man. We got
ourselves a hero, and they are few and far apart. His minimal tools,
stay fit, a pencil and a scrap of paper a day.
    m___ says:
    June 22, 2018 at 8:42 pm GMT • 100 Words

    The deciders (banksters & major war profiteers) have castrated
their obedient servants dwelling in the (in)Justice system and police.
A spectacle of Indecency.

    Next stop, herding done outside the media. Anything media is
loosing effect, and extremely costly, it positions top media moguls
within the power nuclei with voting rights. Not desirable. As
alternative media shows, it could theoretically be twisted against, or
at least redirect absolute interests. The venue to a simulacrum of
control would be hard– and software combined global efforts. Still not
good enough. Back to the future.
    Alden [AKA "Vera Figner"] says:
    June 22, 2018 at 11:28 pm GMT • 100 Words

    So that means the pro illegal immigration anti fa anti White
racists* can harass and attack ICE employees and their families.

    * pro immigration anti White anti fa racists aka lackeys and
running dogs of the cheap labor capitalists who want you and me and
every other White person in America gone so the cheap labor
capitalists can rule over a land of docile brown serfs.
    Lincoln Blockface Squarebeard III says:
    June 22, 2018 at 11:34 pm GMT

    Got any credible evidence to back up your ravings? Didn’t think
so. Tor, btw, is open source. Do you know what that means? Besides, as
another commentator pointed out, the USG by and large invented the
internet as we know it. Give your head a shake and try again.
    • Replies: @Peter Grafström
    Lincoln Blockface Squarebeard III says:
    June 22, 2018 at 11:43 pm GMT • 100 Words

    Whether Assange is a “great guy” or not is irrelevant. He is a
human being and human beings are fallible, imperfect creatures. The
establishment media types who constantly point out Assange’s character
flaws (real or imagined) are propagandists trying to distract public
attention from the facts of the matter: the hounding and persecution
of a man who is doing the job journalists ostensibly signed up to do.
    • Agree: RobinG
    • Replies: @animalogic
    Lincoln Blockface Squarebeard III says:
    June 22, 2018 at 11:52 pm GMT
    @Michael Kenny

    You have just outed yourself as an idiot. WikiLeaks only publish
what people “leak” to them. If you have information regarding the
misdeeds of the Russian Federation, by all means, forward it to
    Wizard of Oz says:
    June 23, 2018 at 2:40 am GMT

    You strike a few resonant notes.
    • Replies: @m___
    Wizard of Oz says:
    June 23, 2018 at 2:55 am GMT

    Surely anyone who believes that crap from Veterans Today that
ignores the fact that Assange has been banged up for 6 years is
failing some pretty basic test.
    Anon[759] • Disclaimer says:
    June 23, 2018 at 3:10 am GMT
    @Michael Kenny

    Supporter? Maybe admirer as one might admire Napoleon or Julius
Caesar without forgetting the people they damaged or putting Putin at
such an elevated level. But you could quote and cite.
    Anon[759] • Disclaimer says:
    June 23, 2018 at 3:12 am GMT

    animalogic says:
    June 23, 2018 at 3:35 am GMT
    @Lincoln Blockface Squarebeard III

    Completely agree. I thought the author maybe over did the Assange
“great guy” thing, which as you say IS irrelevant.
    Highlighting whatever Assange’s personal points often plays into
the hands of anti-Assange propaganda.
    anony-mouse says:
    June 23, 2018 at 5:14 am GMT
    • Replies: @anonymous
    James Brown says:
    June 23, 2018 at 8:33 am GMT • 100 Words

    More important than Julian Assange’s or Snowden’s take on 9/11 is
Dr Paul’s or Craig Murray’s position.

    Craig Murray really believes the official version of 9/11. It’s
very strange but he does.

    I don’t believe that Dr. Paul believes the official version but
being an intelligent man he knows that he must pretend to believe it
otherwise his credibility will be destroyed…And he needs his
“credibility” to continue doing what he’s been doing.

    So sometimes you need to pretend to believe in the “great lie” to
do some good or just to carry on living.
    • Replies: @republic, @Wizard of Oz
    m___ says:
    June 23, 2018 at 8:53 am GMT • 400 Words
    @Wizard of Oz

    Glad you concur that we live in a layered society, casts, classes,
networks(cross-bands) are usable terms and politically incorrect.

    The systemic failure of society is the bandwidth of it’s
composition. In all too narrow, and at the top too low on the scale of
what is needed.

    Outlier individuals, are systemically filtered out by education,
media, academia, human nature. That makes floating ideas of quality to
the top layer, where they can be executed not realistic. Power seeks
to preserve itself at all costs, hence mediocre ideas broadcasted to
the mean of society, and applying them with a twist of
in-group(elites) opportunistic goals. That is what could be called the
theory of smart(opportunistic), versus intelligent(moral). To say
building on quality data in the interest of all standing and future
human, thinking and organizing for the long term, to smooth cycles of
ignorant head butting policies, done by the better minds of our
nature(real meritocracy).

    AI, biology of genetics, could in a timely matter shift the whole
of the bandwidth up. A little as the internet(precursor of AI, since
it allowed for better data gathering to independent minds), call it
better access to relatively uncensored ideas, had a less then twenty
year(two thirds of a human generation) impact on independent middle
class brains tuning in, thus possibly disrupting and dynamically
tilting mean cognizance and formal knowledge of what is going on in

    Again making use of technology and science(understanding the how
has little to do with making use(drivers of cars and mechanics,
engineers, resulting urbanistic challenges in scaling order), better
data is not a given to most of society, but the possibility present
can have an indirect impact(Assange is not understood by most of the
public, still emotionally affects the corporate and public sector
beast as no other) by stirring discontent and opening eyes inside the
middle class serfs that cater to the elites.

    That of course can be dangerous, is emotionally frustrating, makes
the middle class more expensive to the elites, thus is almost
invisibly, but efficient. A little bit like the Roman Empire eaten by
Christian ideas.

    If there is two cents in the above, and the pattern is not new,
Assange should spawn other “martyrs”, eventually having some
unanticipated outcomes as to how societies are organized, and floating
better ideas to the top. Having the elites recognize markers beyond
which they risk dangerous dissent. Giving in to concepts of quality
since the body of society pushes them to perform, rather then the body
sucking up to the slime and grouse they secrete. Societies have whom
they deserve at the top by the nature of their proper body.
    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz, @edNels
    anonymous[340] • Disclaimer says:
    June 23, 2018 at 11:18 am GMT • 100 Words

    Thanks for replying.

    However, it takes about five minutes of good faith research to
learn that Assange through his lawyers disclaimed any commitment to
surrender himself upon completion of the truncated sentence of Manning
ordered by President Obama. (Manning had to remain imprisoned for
about four months after Obama left office.) The statement on which you
rely was one of numerous Wikileaks tweets about Manning, and not
something “Assange said.” What Assange did say many times before and
since was that Manning never should have been imprisoned at all.

    So what was the point of your comment? I have read it again, and
can’t tell if you’re trying to diminish the credibility of Assange, of
whatever it is you think of as “journalism,” or of this particular
Shamir column.
    • Replies: @m___
    m___ says:
    June 23, 2018 at 11:57 am GMT • 100 Words

    Shamir tunes in to the emotional aspects mostly of “affair”
Assange. That can be done by him rightfully so, since they are
acquainted as to his own words.

    The systemic aspect for society of Wikileaks and Assange, is more
important though. It will have historical value, and adds to the tool
of journalism, and how it is to be done. Lessons learned are at
university level. The New York Times(in method, and cost-benefit,
morals including equality of Gentiles to Jews) is an old cow compared.
Wikileaks is an example of how “democracy”, “globalism” should be
done, and can evolve. Wikileaks carries important social and political
lessons, not taken thankfully by inferior middle class players in
media and other branches of crowd control.
    Deschutes says:
    June 23, 2018 at 12:59 pm GMT
    @Jeff Stryker

    I’m from Michigan myself and yes, it does kinda suck. Especially
the metro Detroit areas…Birmingham, Bloomfield Hills, Southfield,
Redford, Inkster etc. The Great Lakes are quite nice though–but if you
live in metro Detroit you hardly ever see them!
    Deschutes says:
    June 23, 2018 at 1:03 pm GMT • 100 Words

    I think you’re being overly dramatic. The spooks may be quite
perturbed with Julian, but they won’t kill him or track him for life.
I think if he walks out that embassy door he’ll of course be arrested
and extradited to USA for a Chelse Manning type kangaroo court and
jail experience. Probably do 3-5 years in the hole, then be let out
due to outside pressure.
    • Replies: @niteranger
    Deschutes says:
    June 23, 2018 at 1:08 pm GMT

    Hopefully you’re joking, right? Trying to add some slapstick cum
nutter commentary comedy to the thread?

    ….but something tells me you’re serious. Lay off the crack bro!
    • Replies: @Peter Grafström
    Deschutes says:
    June 23, 2018 at 1:10 pm GMT
    @Michael Kenny

    You need to stop making a fool of yourself in public like this.
    annamaria says:
    June 23, 2018 at 2:08 pm GMT

    What an amazing exposure of loyalty to the Deciders’ interests!
    Meanwhile, “The ‘Murder’ Of Julian Assange,” by Kurt Nimmo:
    • Replies: @Peter Grafström
    republic says:
    June 23, 2018 at 3:07 pm GMT
    @James Brown

    You comment on Craig Murray got me interested in what Stephen
Hawkins thought about 9/11
    He said that it was not important!
    • Replies: @James Brown
    Wizard of Oz says:
    June 23, 2018 at 6:04 pm GMT • 100 Words

    Just beginning my 3.45 am quick read….. I think I found your
subsequent post less resonant but I am happy to find ideas sparking
productively or at least positively in this one. Thoughts on where
driverless cars can take city planning and how and where we live are
big bit on AI they are *huge*….
    Wizard of Oz says:
    June 23, 2018 at 6:24 pm GMT • 200 Words
    @James Brown

    What is the summary “official view” of 9/11 that you regard it as
impossible for any honest intelligent person to believe?

    Let me guess

    1. The four planes were highjacked by 19 Al Qaeda related Arab males

    2. They hit the Twin Towers and the Pentagon

    3. WTC 7’s fire was started by burning matter from one of the Twin Towers

    4. Collapses were caused by gravity on top of heat weakened steel
structural support

    and the reason you say this should be found incredible is because
the tiny fraction of people who may or may not be American
professional architects or engineers (but claim to be) have been
portrayed on the Internet by one Richard Gage’s website as saying the
way the buildings collapsed is incompatible with that scenario.

    From close attention to truthers on UR and reading their links
that seems to be it. Right?

    If so, wouldn’t it be pretty easy to crowd fund a top level
scientific-engineering appraisal of the “official” collapse theory?
Should you initiate that?
    • Troll: Rurik
    • Replies: @James Brown, @annamaria
    edNels says:
    June 23, 2018 at 6:33 pm GMT • 400 Words

    Your comment is full of meanings I just wanted to reflect on a
couple of points.

        The systemic failure of society is the bandwidth of it’s composition.

    Seems to me, that when bandwidth is fully utilized/saturated, time
for faster bigger one, society/internet move too slow. inverse to
private profit incentive, so limit numbers is efficient, not great,
grand govenment infrastructure plan. Because, not wanted BTW, not in
the cards.

        Outlier individuals, are systemically filtered out by
education, media, academia, human nature.

    and a well known quote of a complacent elite type to anyone with
ideas of up and coming… break through fantasy. ”Your son never can
meet ‘my daughter’ much less to talk to her”

        AI, biology of genetics, could in a timely matter shift the whole


    This is being accomplished, but putting away the relics of past is
slow to begin with, (sensitively?) middleserfs must not be panic too
make waves! the herd still believes in fairy tale old, someday AI will
produce superman, maybe unisex version with both genitalia! (wouldn’t
surprise anybody as per trends).

    A new word is needed instead of Elite. The dog’s fees are at the
top of the food chain, so are the fleas elites? Certainly not! By the
way, some talk about the .001% of powerful, and below that .01% of
peripheral power, and really down and down to about the 10% level is
were the useful idiot class starts to be. Above $100k pa (+/-) These
are buffer and facilitators and mechanics/ organizers and
historically: TAX PAYERS… (now obsolete/ (QE…). Below that is where
the robots can be worked in completely in the short term when the time
is right.

    Beyond that the cumbersome expensive 10% middle class/middle
income level will soon be atrited/liquidated, leaving the .01% running
scared. And the heck with ’em the spineless brown noses. (Yond
Cassius’ lean and hungry…!) (Robot )”Jeeves, show them out!”

        That of course can be dangerous, is emotionally frustrating,
makes the middle class more expensive to the elites,

    There it is: the invisible hand again, Free Market ideology. The
middle income-classes are too expensive, so they will be avoided and
replaced. Constructive destruction as it were.
    • Replies: @m___
    RobinG says:
    June 23, 2018 at 10:01 pm GMT • 100 Words

    Nobel Peace laureate MAIREAD MAGUIRE:

        I would like to make a special appeal to the American
President DonaldTrump and his Government, to close down this Grand
Jury which has been established to try Julian Assange and Wikileaks
based on their publications , and confirm the US Government will not
extradite him to America, but recognize that he too ….. has a right to
have his rights protected under law.
    • Replies: @m___
    niteranger says:
    June 23, 2018 at 10:08 pm GMT

    You are naive. Why don’t you trace a number of individuals who
screwed with anyone from the agencies over the years from ex-agents to
directors of the CIA? Assange’s fame won’t help him at all. He’ll end
up being suicided.
    justagoon says:
    June 23, 2018 at 10:48 pm GMT

    James Brown says:
    June 24, 2018 at 9:18 am GMT • 100 Words
    @Wizard of Oz

    Of course you must be joking. If you aren’t then you should take
your “questions” and “doubts”, to NYT or WP.
    Readers of NYT, WP and other propaganda outlets believe that
“Truth” is something authorities tell them.
    There is nothing I can say to convince you that the official
version of 9/11 is a lie.
    Lots of people with intellectual authority and moral courage have
already done so.

    If you still believe in the official version is because you are
not interested in truth.
    Maybe one day you will be. Only recently Ron found out that that
the official version of JFK’s assassination is a lie.
    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    James Brown says:
    June 24, 2018 at 9:43 am GMT • 200 Words

    And Stephen Hawkins was right. 9/11, Who murdered JFK are not important.

    He was right if he meant that what is important is the “power
structure” that can commit these crimes and worse and get away with

    For the first time in history, I believe, we have criminals that
can “create reality” and make millions of people believe and die for

    While people spend time discussing past false flags and past
crimes, the mafia is creating new realities and new narratives.

    I bet that at the moment they are thinking about the “false flag”
they need to sell to the masses so they go and destroy Iran and get

    “It’s power, stupid”. How to destroy this “power structure” is
what people should be discussing.

    While this “power structure/mafia” is in place, the official lies
will always be what most voters will believe…even in the age of the
    • Replies: @m___
    m___ says:
    June 24, 2018 at 11:30 am GMT • 100 Words
    @James Brown

    Relevancy is the beast to ride, sadly it comes with cognitive
dissonance. Context, rationality, relevancy, are concepts that go
beyond general comprehension. Capital(ad hoc) is another such a
concept, it is sufficient not to believe in it, and look… our Gods
just dissipated.

    Burke condensed it rightfully, human nature wins every time in
imposition from conceptual aspirations, and rational projections.
Burke calls it aspirations as to human nature. Better Burke.
    m___ says:
    June 24, 2018 at 11:38 am GMT • 100 Words

    If or as a Nobel prize laureate, you should not be proud of
conventional title-ing. Nobel prices and the whole of the carcass of
Western society is rotten to the core. The foundational, intrinsic
ideas of the Western world are un-repairably alienated from “elite”

    We call referencing to convention, and the shame of it, the
“Chomsky et al.” psychological complex. Be a Steven Pinker or assume
independence before you speak out, it is the first condition of
credibility. At best wake up.
    republic says:
    June 24, 2018 at 3:35 pm GMT

    The Brits and the Ecuadorians are working on a defenestration
ending for Assange.
    annamaria says:
    June 24, 2018 at 5:19 pm GMT
    @Wizard of Oz

    “Collapses were caused by gravity on top of heat weakened steel
structural support.”
    — What kind of structural engineering degree could produce such confidence?
    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    Wizard of Oz says:
    June 24, 2018 at 8:03 pm GMT • 100 Words
    @James Brown

    Total failure to respond to what I carefully put to you. You don’t
even cite your claimed (existence of people who are) intellectual
authorities. Richard Gage presumably!

    And what responsible person with your beliefs could fail to try
and do something about it? Your internet wailing doesn’t even cost you
a postage stamp or the effort of walking to the post box. Go
crowdfunding so you can hire some brains.
    Wizard of Oz says:
    June 24, 2018 at 8:08 pm GMT

    You really won’t get that job with Russia Today if you don’t learn
to read. Where in my post was anyone’s confidence in that summary of
part of the hypotheticsl, or presumed, official view expressed?
    • Replies: @annamaria
    annamaria says:
    June 24, 2018 at 11:14 pm GMT
    @Wizard of Oz

    Perhaps you need to re-read your own post before insulting the Unz readers.
    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    Wizard of Oz says:
    June 24, 2018 at 11:45 pm GMT • 100 Words

    You would amaze if you weren’t repeating your ADD type off the
mark style of reply. What I said was ” Let me guess”… “that your
(JB’s) version of the official story was”…
    1, 2, 3….
    4. Collapses were caused by etc”

    Your attempt to pick your particular choice of fight was just bizarre.

    You could have asked me whether I had confidence in that version
of the official story that I posited. That would have made sense. But
you didn’t.
    daniel le mouche says:
    June 25, 2018 at 12:56 am GMT • 100 Words

    Interesting, for sure. But you have to give sources for all these
accusations. Where and how have you come up with this thesis? My first
reaction is to agree with what you say, from my own observations of
the super-dodge Shamir, also my personal ‘litmus test’–that would be,
911, which, like all modern giants of intellect, Assange failed. And
the general sense of wonder, as in, Just how deep are the Lies? Every
possible resource and limitless money are relentlessly used to keep
all the dumb goys dumb, evil seems to have absolutely free reign. And
lying agents and organisations are everywhere, it seems.
    • Replies: @Israel Shamir
    Ilham says:
    June 25, 2018 at 7:46 pm GMT
    @Israel Shamir

    If CIA/Mossad REALLY wanted to remove Assange, he would have been
eradicated years ago (in any one of a dozen different ways).
    – Like the 9/11 narrative, Wikileaks has too many elements of a
Hollywood script, to ever be considered real.
    • Replies: @Israel Shamir
    Israel Shamir says:
    June 26, 2018 at 9:49 am GMT

    Ilham, you do not believe in God, that’s your problem. God can run
such scripts that Hollywood can just dream of. And it is God who is
all-powerful, not CIA/Mossad.
    Israel Shamir says:
    June 26, 2018 at 9:54 am GMT • 100 Words
    @daniel le mouche

    There are subjects that should not be touched by-the-way; they can
be treated separately, but if you just mention them, your discourse
will be bogged down. These subjects are 9/11, Holocaust, JFK, Moon
landings, UFO, blood sacrifices, pedophile rings. Do not complain if a
writer avoids these topics – they are deadly.
    • Replies: @Rurik, @daniel le mouche
    Rurik says:
    June 26, 2018 at 2:34 pm GMT • 200 Words
    @Israel Shamir

        These subjects are 9/11, ….

        Do not complain if a writer avoids these topics – they are deadly.

    yes of course, but being as 9/11 was the pretext for the Eternal
Wars, (intended to make the 21st century resemble the last one)- that
means that ‘respectable’ writers will avoid even mentioning the very
cause of the destruction of several nations, and the consequent
staggering horrors visited upon so many millions of innocents.

    Not to mention the historic evisceration of our God-given rights,
leading to the eventual universal enslavement of humanity. (This is
what is meant by the unilateral power ; )

    DNAA, a direct consequence of 9/11, has wiped away all notions of
individual rights going back to the Magna Carta. They now operate a
Ministry of Love in Cuba.

    That seems kind of significant to me.

    Already there are laws against questioning the kosher narrative
vis-a-vis the Holocaust, and thousands languishing in ‘Western’
prisons for the “crime”. When will they add 9/11 to the subjects
verboten to mention? Sadly it seems, they don’t have to. Authors

    Failing to critically discuss 9/11, when it’s obvious that they’re
lying about it, and using it as a pretext to menace the people of the
planet, murdering and maiming millions, destroying nation after
nation, wiping away hard won rights, earned in blood of better men
than we…

    .. sort of says something about us, no?
    • Replies: @daniel le mouche
    daniel le mouche says:
    June 26, 2018 at 8:26 pm GMT • 100 Words
    @Israel Shamir

    I appreciate your response, Mr. Shamir. Fair enough–you consider
such topics ‘deadly’. But why are they deadly? What exactly do they
signify, the end of ‘legiitimacy’ and ‘respectability’, your career,
perhaps they even endanger one’s life? I can see how they bog one
down, because the arguments, as seen daily at Unz, are endless and
neither side can convince the other. But if you know/believe
something, shouldn’t you tell the truth as you see it? A writer
shouldn’t be a politician, it seems to me. We need truth tellers. Look
at Paul Craig Roberts (he’s about the only one). To me, the true
respectability of such famous writers as Pilger, Alexander Cockburn,
Chomsky, Zinn, etc. is called into question by the fact of their
unwillingness to touch especially 911–in Cockburn’s case, he was
consistently mocking, sarcastic and excessively belligerent on the
subject… why?
    • Replies: @Israel Shamir, @James Brown
    daniel le mouche says:
    June 26, 2018 at 8:31 pm GMT

    Agreed. 911 and the Holocaust are the two as you say ‘verboten’
subjects, because they are the engines driving all draconian laws and
brainwashing. These are THE topics for truthful and courageous
    • Replies: @Rurik
    Israel Shamir says:
    June 27, 2018 at 11:23 am GMT • 100 Words
    @daniel le mouche

    Yes, these subjects can be treated, but not in the passing way.
Provided these good guys you mentioned do not know and did not learn
these particular subjects, it is prudent to avoid them, not to get
bogged down and lose one’s position. Actually there are more ‘banned
subjects’ – it is enough to mention Jesus Christ, and you are out in
the cold, as I have learned on my own example. A few days ago, the
Church celebrated St John’s day: did somebody noticed it, in your
reading? And it is much much worse then missing 9/11.
    • Replies: @daniel le mouche, @daniel le mouche
    Rurik says:
    June 27, 2018 at 4:28 pm GMT • 500 Words
    @daniel le mouche

        These are THE topics for truthful and courageous writers.

    I see a lot of diligence vis-a-vis the Holocaust, but for me the
issue of critical importance is 9/11.

    9/11 was/is the seminal event of our lifetimes. Indeed, of the
century, if not of the millennium.

    It is the turning point, when our lives went from a trajectory
based, as I mentioned, on the freedoms won with the Magna Carta, to
the Declaration of Independence. All of that ended on September 11,

    at 22 seconds in, he tells the truth

    then he goes on to describe how we’re all going to become
Palestinians, with check points and total surveillance and little old
ladies treated like terrorists on domestic flights between Utah and
Kansas. Already our local police forces are sent to Israel for

    also what’s remarkable about watching that guy on the BBC tell us
it was Osama who did it, even as the toxic dust was still puffing out
all over Manhattan, and building seven was yet to fall..

    .. is that he was obviously one of the people who knew the attacks
were coming. Since it was his Mossad operatives who were arrested
after dancing and celebrating while ‘documenting the event’.

    So this was a Biblical level event. An event intended to end the
era of human freedom, (imperfect as it was) and plunge the world’s
people into an era of Zionist total domination.

    Entire nations would be utterly destroyed, and sent reeling into
the stone age for generations. America would no longer be a nation
with a constitution, but that document and its protections would cease
to exist. If the zio-government considered you (an American citizen) a
potential threat, they now could send a drone to assassinate you, and
your sixteen year old son for good measure.

    I recall as a boy, a sort of morbid fascination with the methods
of torture used in the Medieval ages, like the dungeons of Europe, or
what the Apache was known to thrill to.

    But never in a million years would I ever had been able to imagine
that my own country, the America I grew up in, would be operating an
open torture facility.

    When some shithead like Obama talks about preventing criminal
immigrants from flooding our nation, and says ‘this is not who we

    Well, in the America I grew up in, torture would have been first
on the list of things which are ‘not who we are’.

    Now I read of Iraqi mothers being forced to listen to their little
boys screams as they’re raped in some CIA black site, and I know that
the America I grew up in is dead. It’s been murdered by Zionists and
their legions of treasonous scum in Washington, DC.

    And we can all trace the exact date of the coup d’état. September 11, 2001

    The day of the Fiend.
    • Replies: @James Brown, @daniel le mouche
    James Brown says:
    June 28, 2018 at 9:36 am GMT • 200 Words

    Agree but I’d suggest that maybe you’re exaggerating a little bit
when you say : ” 9/11 was/is the seminal event of our lifetimes.
Indeed, of the century, if not of the millennium.”

    Maybe it’s of “your lifetime” but even that would not be correct
because you don’t know what will be the rest of your lifetime. You can
just speculate.

    9/11 wouldn’t have been possible if the USA wasn’t over total
control of the Zionists. But that control didn’t start on 9/11. So
maybe the “seminal event of our lifetimes.” is when the USA was
colonized by the Zionists. Some would argue that happened when they
got the Fed.

    All the wars (and 9/11) are only the consequences of that colonization.

    It doesn’t make sense talking of being a “pessimist” or an
“optimist”,but allow me just to tell you that we must always remember
that good will always triumph over evil .

    You may dismiss this “fact” as something that can only come from a
naîve, ignorant guy.

    I believe that it’s highly likely that we will see the
destruction/self-destruction of Zionism during our lifetimes. Nothing
is permanent in this life. Even evil.
    • Replies: @Rurik
    James Brown says:
    June 28, 2018 at 10:09 am GMT • 200 Words
    @daniel le mouche

    “We need truth tellers. Look at Paul Craig Roberts (he’s about the
only one). To me, the true respectability of such famous writers as
Pilger, Alexander Cockburn, Chomsky, Zinn, etc. is called into
question by the fact of their unwillingness to touch especially 911–in
Cockburn’s case, he was consistently mocking, sarcastic and
excessively belligerent on the subject… why?”

    Chomsky is a buffoon. IMHO, You should not waste your time reading
or listening to him.
    Cockburn was a good writer and a “radical” who wanted to be
invited to “the party”, so he knew where the limits were. Most
Counterpunch’s writers are radicals in the sense Cockburn was a

    Zinn was a great historian and a truth teller. He found out that
the “great war” he fought on, was a big lie. Chomsky still believes
that in the II WW the USA fought for “justice and freedom”.

    I admire PCR but we need to accept that those who refuse to take
on 9/11 and other big lies, have to earn a living or they just don’t
want to risk their life.

    PCR is a very courageous man but he has nothing to lose. His
career is over, and he knows that his life isn’t in danger because the
Zionists tend to eliminate only the decision makers.

    Lots of people read PCR, but that is irrelevant for the Zio-Mafia.
    Their power and objectives are not threatened by PCR’s articles.
Most American people don’t read PCR.
    • Replies: @daniel le mouche
    daniel le mouche says:
    June 28, 2018 at 12:24 pm GMT • 100 Words

    Very well said. The unique in world history thing about the United
States was its Constitution: mainly, its Freedom of Speech, and its
Right to Bear Arms against a despotic government, something no
European can seem to comprehend as a GREAT THING. How these scum have
managed to trod their jackboots on our sacred Constitution is, as you
hinted, a most unforgivable historic act. There must be hell to pay,
Americans must rise up.
    • Agree: Rurik
    daniel le mouche says:
    June 28, 2018 at 12:32 pm GMT • 100 Words
    @James Brown

    Agreed, PCR is marginalized. I disagree about Zinn. I personally
saw this man speak in 2008, and someone during questions raised his
non-stance on 911. You know what he said? He said, quote, ‘That was a
long time ago… Let’s talk about the present.’ This, coming from a
famous historian–7 years ago is a long time, and the past has no
meaning for the present. A very strange comment, no? Agree Chomsky is
a POS, a very arrogant man. But all these big names have huge egos.
    • Replies: @James Brown
    daniel le mouche says:
    June 28, 2018 at 12:38 pm GMT • 100 Words
    @Israel Shamir

    ‘Provided these good guys you mentioned do not know and did not
learn these particular subjects, it is prudent to avoid them, not to
get bogged down and lose one’s position.’

    Why on earth would someone who claims to understand the modern
world shy away from this all-important subject (see Rurik’s comment
below for the significance of 911)? It’s I would say either complete
moral cowardice or outright lying. Chomsky’s great brain can’t figure
out this most obvious thing (he has repeatedly said he just doesn’t
think it would be possible to pull off)? And Cockburn very agressively
and actively mocked any kooks who dared question the narrative. Guys
like Pilger, as far as I can tell, just pretend it doesn’t exist.

    As for St. John the Baptist’s feast day on June 24, I have no idea
why that should be considered as important as 911.
    James Brown says:
    June 28, 2018 at 3:03 pm GMT • 200 Words
    @daniel le mouche

    “A very strange comment, no?”

    Zinn at that stage, could have told the truth if he wanted. Maybe
“tribal fidelity” can explain why they always stick with the “big
lie”. You can see it with that “great historian” and very “honest”
intellectual: Norman Finkelstein.

    NF defends Palestinians with all his passion and intelligence. He’
s a “radical” but like Chomsky, he believes all the official version
of history he gets from the government and the MSM.

    More interesting for me is the case of Dr. Ron Paul. I consider
him to be a decent and an honest man.
    I’ m sure he knows that the official version of the 9/11 is a lie.

    But Dr Ron Paul has million of people who listen to him, read him,
admire him.
    Sometimes the MSM even invite him. Dr Ron Paul has influence and
“credibility” that PCR doesn’t have.

    Do you believe that Dr Ron Paul should tell the truth about 9/11
and lose everything including his family ?
    In his place, would you tell the truth about 9/11?

    It’s more reasonable to admit that there are battles you can’t win
and concentrate your forces on those battles you can win.

    In spite of that, I still see Dr Paul as an honest man. Chomsky
and Finkelstein are intellectually dishonest although lots of people
don’t know that. They are supposedly fighting for social justice.
    • Replies: @daniel le mouche
    Rurik says:
    June 28, 2018 at 4:18 pm GMT • 700 Words
    @James Brown

        So maybe the “seminal event of our lifetimes.” is when the USA
was colonized by the Zionists.

    I would definitely agree that the seminal event of the last
century was the creation of the Fed.

    that event led to the unprecedented betrayal of Germany at
Versailles, and set in motion the horrors of world war II, and perhaps
the eventual death of Western civilization.

    (thanks Woodrow, [may you Rot in Hell]

    But this is a new century. And a new millennium.

    I know a little about the mind-numbing horrors of the last
century, culminating in WWII. I saw their id at Waco. I knew their
motivating principle. It was laid out by George Orwell in his
characterization of Room 101.

        ”The Party seeks power entirely for its own sake. We are not
interested in the good of others; we are interested solely in power.
Not wealth or luxury or long life or happiness: only power, pure
power. …

        … Power is not a means, it is an end. One does not establish a
dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the
revolution in order to establish the dictatorship. The object of
persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The
object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?”

    ‘yes CFR, PNAC, AIPAC.. we do’

        The old civilizations claimed that they were founded on love
or justice. Ours is founded upon hatred. In our world there will be no
emotions except fear, rage, triumph, and self-abasement. Everything
else we shall destroy. Already we are breaking down the habits of
thought, which have survived from before the Revolution. We have cut
the links between child and parent, and between man and man, and
between man and woman.

    anyways, this is the goal, and always has been. To revel in the
abject subjugation of mankind. To mash their faces in their abasement.
To exalt in the suffering of others, and gorge on their humiliation.

    Perhaps an event will come about that will knock 9/11 out as ‘the
seminal event of our time’, but insofar as 9/11 was the event intended
as the pretext to set in motion the Total Police/surveillance state,
with a Ministry of Love in Gitmo, and check points, with the Eternal
Wars, just like Orwell imagined it.

    If someone is speaking from the Ministry of Truth (msm), then we
all know they’re lying. If CNN is audible, what you’re listening to
are lies. If you’re reading the NYT, you’re reading agenda-driven
lies, mixed of course with half-truths. NPR was on the other day
saying they’re unbiased. And only report what’s true.

    Anyways, yea. Nothing comes close to 9/11 as far as I can see.

    Not Assad’s chemical attacks, not the lies about MH17 or Gadhafi,
because these things are all a direct consequence of 9/11, which as
you rightly point out, was a direct consequence of the Fed.

    If you want to talk about the seminal event of the last century,
insofar as it also threatens this century as well, it was the Fed. The
Fed set it all in motion, and you could even go back to Rothschild’s
treachery vis-à-vis the Napoleonic wars, and even before that, you
could trace the death of human freedom to the advent of fiat money.
When the ancient bankers figured out that a symbol for gold, was just
as good or better, than the metal itself.

    From there they figured out that they could write more symbols for
gold than they possessed in their vaults, and the rest is history.

        good will always triumph over evil .

    I’ve always been a ‘glass is half full’ kind of guy. It’s not my
nature to be gloomy, and one thing that buoys me is the loss of
Hillary Clinton.

    I suspect that had she won, a pall of gloom would pervade this
earth, as the hag unleashed her infinite wrath upon a hapless world.

    But she didn’t win. And England voted for Brexit. And Italy and
Austria and Hungary have elected sane and moral leadership. And Russia
has a world-class statesman at the helm.

    So yea, in spite of it all, there is reason for hope.
    • Replies: @James Brown
    daniel le mouche says:
    June 28, 2018 at 5:40 pm GMT • 100 Words
    @James Brown

    I agree on Chomsky and Finkelstein, and all the other respectable
ones who get invites to Democracy Now. These are the intellectual
gatekeepers, they regulate the parameters of acceptable thought.
They’ll lull you to sleep. And I say, F*** them.
    For Ron Paul, why not? There was the Scottish Parliamentarian who
said it–sure, they crucified him in the press, mainly through the
effective means of mockery, but to my mind he had guts. They certainly
won’t kill you for saying it, unless you’re someone like Hugo Chavez,
who they would’ve killed anyway. But the truth needs to keep being
hammered home, by different people in all sorts of positions, of power
or otherwise, to make some sort of counterweight for the State’s 24-7
pummelling of our collective consciousness with lies, filth, garbage.
    daniel le mouche says:
    June 28, 2018 at 5:48 pm GMT • 100 Words
    @Israel Shamir

    ‘A few days ago, the Church celebrated St John’s day: did somebody
noticed it, in your reading? And it is much much worse then missing

    I assume this to mean that we have so fallen by the wayside, in
the Christian sense, that some single event like 911 pales in
comparison. If so, I certainly see your point, though I’m one of the
lost ones. Still, 911 continues to excuse a worldwide police state the
likes of which has never till now been even dreamt of by our ‘elites’:
total lockdown… militarized police forces, 100% surveillance,
impossibility of forming a true movement against this all-powerful
elite, the near total discarding, and in so very few years, of the
Constitution, the powerful PC mob mentality, and on and on.
    Peter Grafström says:
    June 28, 2018 at 11:54 pm GMT • 200 Words

    Assange and wikileaks were exposed by several wellinformed
observers as a psyop created by western intel and the honey trap in
Sweden was setup at a time when otherwise the hero status was at risk.
Some authors who debunked Assange were Daniel Estulin, Wayne Madsen,
William Engdahl and Webster Tarpley. I also found several docs on the
web which are now gone where there were more revealing facts.
    Wikileaks declared intention to and did support imperial color
revolutions in the ME and collaborated with chinese opposition and the
limited hangout they have provided wasnt leaked to them by
oppositional elements but rather from the regular power insiders. Like
you should expect from a psyop. Wikileaks were involved with people
who installed trojansin chineses computers and used them for false
flag cyberwar. To cast blame on China.
    Whether or not he goes in and out of the embassy I dont know but
he sure is a fraud and nobody to admire. He might have been dumped by
his masters so he may be suffering. But since he is a fraud he is
dangerous as long as people trust him.
    • Replies: @peterAUS
    Peter Grafström says:
    June 29, 2018 at 12:01 am GMT

    Dont you think it is right to communicate to people the fraudulent
character the whole thing. It was created to exploit the public and
get them to support the imperial regime changes. And other globalist
    But most of you didnt even notice.
    Peter Grafström says:
    June 29, 2018 at 12:08 am GMT • 100 Words
    @Lincoln Blockface Squarebeard III

    About Assange being able to leave I dont know but several
wellinformed analysts eposed the wikileaks for being a psyop by the
western intel like he says. The world is run by cynical illusionists
who know how to manipulate the publics perceptions. They didnt even
hide what their intentions were clearly describing themselves as part
of the Us regimechange operations.
    Aiming for the east and ME.
    Peter Grafström says:
    June 29, 2018 at 12:21 am GMT

    Wikileaks was created as a psychological operation. They have to
feed you with some bait to make it seem authentic.
    • Replies: @RobinG
    peterAUS says:
    June 29, 2018 at 1:41 am GMT
    @Peter Grafström

        Wikileaks were involved with people who installed trojansin
chineses computers and used them for false flag cyberwar.

    Source/link, please?

    Or, briefly:
    Who were the hackers? What trojans and when? What “chinese” computers?
    • Replies: @Peter Grafström
    annamaria says:
    June 29, 2018 at 1:55 am GMT • 500 Words

    “…several well-informed analysts exposed the WikiLeaks for being a
psyop by the western intel…”
    — You mean, we shouldn’t believe our lying eyes but trust,
instead, to some mysterious “well-informed analysts?” Thank you very
much. The absolute majority of decent and principled people stand by
Assange, whereas others, like a wife of a ziocon war profiteer James
Arbuthnot, certain judge Emma Arbuthnot, had the gall to accuse
Assange of a lack of courage. Perhaps she needs to pay attention to
her husband’s amoral dealings before attacking the courageous
whistleblower. It is not for nothing that the bad-mouth Emma was
called “a disgrace to the English justice system.”
    “Security Intelligence Consultancy” SC Strategy Ltd has only three
directors. One is the husband of the judge [Emma Arbuthnot] in Assange
ruling. One is the former Head of MI6, Sir John Scarlett, who is
synonymous with crooked security operations and personally wrote the
notorious dossier of lies on Iraqi WMD, thus causing the subsequent
deaths of millions of people. One is Lord Carlile, who was notably
close to protected Establishment pedophiles Greville Janner and Cyril
Smith. Is the British Establishment not endlessly fascinating?”
    — Since you are so enthusiastic about “several [very anonymous]
well-informed analysts” of the uncertain level of expertise, here are
the details of the expertly written report by Assange lawyers:
    “Assange’s lawyers said that the five and a half years Assange has
been confined to the embassy were “adequate, if not severe” punishment
for his actions. The maximum penalty for skipping bail is six months
in prison. They pointed to the December 2015 United Nations Working
Group on Arbitrary Detention report condemning Assange’s detention as
“arbitrary, unreasonable, unnecessary, disproportionate.” The UN had
called on the Swedish and British governments to immediately end his
“deprivation of liberty” and pay him compensation.
    Assange’s legal team said their client had repeatedly offered to
cooperate with the investigation in Sweden, but prosecutors had
refused to talk to Assange until 2016. It has since emerged that
Britain’s Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) pressured its Swedish
counterparts not to question Assange in Britain. They also encouraged
Swedish prosecutors to proceed with extradition proceedings rather
than drop them, as they were preparing to do as far back as 2013.
    Assange was justified in seeking asylum in the embassy, his
lawyers argued, because he had a legitimate fear he would be
extradited to the US. Jennifer Robinson, said that the US
administration had made clear its intention to bring a prosecution
against WikiLeaks. A US grand jury investigation has been ongoing
since May 2010, with the purpose of bringing a case against Assange
over WikiLeaks’ publications.”
    In case you have missed, here are more relevant details: “Hillary
Clinton considered drone attack on Julian Assange”
    RobinG says:
    June 29, 2018 at 5:59 am GMT
    @Peter Grafström

    “HSC explicitly encouraged the Germans to prevent jewish
assimilation and to exterminate them, saying they ought to do the jews
what the Romans did to the chartagaens.”

    Did you mean Carthaginians? (Where did you get your spelling?)
    • Replies: @Peter Grafström
    James Brown says:
    June 29, 2018 at 7:56 am GMT • 300 Words

    “Anyways, yea. Nothing comes close to 9/11 as far as I can see.”

    Maybe it’s because you believe that II WW was “the great war”, the
war for “justice and freedom”.
    The war that the USA was forced to fight against the evil/Hitler.

    If one knows that that is a big lie, then one knows that the total
control of the USA and the western world started when the Zio-Mafia
managed to bring the USA into the war.

    And if one knows that the II WW is the result of the I WW, then
the”he”seminal event of our lifetimes.”and the official date of the
“death of Western civilization.” should be 1914 not 9/11.

    9/11 is -in historical terms- an epiphenomenon. An important one
but still an epiphenomenon.

    (Like JFK’s assassination is, in historical terms- an
epiphenomenon, in spite of all the noises.)

    I believe it is more correct to choose 1492 as the”seminal event
of our lifetimes.” “because it’s when all the criminal colonial
enterprise started.
    The mindset of those who still hold power in the western world
started in 1492.

    But it doesn’t really matter when all this started. What matters
is what’s going on at the moment.

    One doesn’t need fiction to understand what’s going on, even when
the fiction is 1984.

    But if one needs fiction, I believe Huxley(and not only in the
Brave New World) got it better than Orwell.

    ” What Orwell feared were those who would ban books. What Huxley
feared was that there would be no reason to ban a book, for there
would be no one who wanted to read one.

    Orwell feared those who would deprive us of information. Huxley
feared those who would give us so much that we would be reduced to
passivity and egoism.

    Orwell feared that the truth would be concealed from us. Huxley
feared the truth would be drowned in a sea of irrelevance.

    Orwell feared we would become a captive culture. Huxley feared we
would become a trivial culture”.
    Rurik says:
    June 29, 2018 at 2:57 pm GMT • 600 Words

        Maybe it’s because you believe that II WW was “the great war”,
the war for “justice and freedom”.

    you gotta be kidding

        And if one knows that the II WW is the result of the I WW,
then the”he”seminal event of our lifetimes.”and the official date of
the “death of Western civilization.” should be 1914 not 9/11.

    emphasis mine 😉


    I learned a new word today!

        (Like JFK’s assassination is, in historical terms- an
epiphenomenon, in spite of all the noises.)

    for the ‘greatest generation’, I would posit that the JFK
assassination was the ‘seminal event’ in their lifetimes.

    But there’s something about all these events that is salient. All
the men at Jekyll Island are long dead. So too are most of the people
who had anything to do with JFK. But the men who conceived and
perpetrated 9/11 are still alive. And more to the point, still in

        I believe it is more correct to choose 1492 as the”seminal
event of our lifetimes.” “because it’s when all the criminal colonial
enterprise started.
        The mindset of those who still hold power in the western world
started in 1492.

    Obviously when you say ‘our lifetimes’, you’re speaking
metaphorically, or consequentially, or something. I meant it

    And as far as 1492 goes, that was the year nearly eight centuries
of Muslim, African domination, oppression, slavery and rapine, came to
a glorious and long-awaited end.

    Unless you pine for the suffocation of Europe under a Muslim,
African boot, then your interpretations of history are curious at

    Both Orwell and Huxley were correct. But the reason I see Orwell’s
vision as ascendant over Huxley’s, is because Huxley imagined a world
where people would copulate with their chains, being so enthralled
with Soma and feel-goodisms, that they’d love their servitude, and
even be bread specifically for it.

    But what fun is that for our ruling class?!

    What fun would it be to fly over Libya or Iraq and drop Soma from
the skies until the Iraqi people were complacent and eager for

    There’s no fun in that. Just ask yourself, it every last
Palestinian were to agree to move to Jordan or even just to commit
mass-suicide, then what would the Jewish supremacists do?!

    Do you think being a Jewish supremacist has any meaning if you
don’t have victims to humiliate?

    During the Holodomor, Stalin’s ((goons)) could have simply shot
the Ukrainians wholesale, and them moved on to others. But they
didn’t. They lingered around and presided over a mass-starvation that
lasted months. They waited ever so patiently for these people to die
very slowly. Excruciatingly. That must have wasted lots and lots of
important man hours, but they did it anyways, because they enjoyed it.

    Just consider the state of affairs in the US or UK. Jews are the
undisputed rulers of the land. They own the central bank, they own the
media, Wall Street, the courts and the Christian preachers. They have
it made, man!

    But that isn’t good enough, because they see the hated goyim also
thriving in some hamlets. So even as the ZUS is a golden goose, that
just keeps on giving, they’re still motivated by a deep and abiding
need to see their victims suffer. So they demand unlimited
immigration, and cultural rot, and a thousand other outrages against
their cash cows, the American people. They’ll crash the whole system
out of their psychotic imperative to make others suffer.

    This is the dilemma you see, because they’ll never be satisfied
with a Brave New World type of existence, because their slaves will
have smiles on their faces, and that defeats the whole point.
    • Replies: @James Brown
    Peter Grafström says:
    June 29, 2018 at 10:32 pm GMT • 100 Words

    I take my chances with spelling 🙂 but you understood
notwithstanding. Unfortunately the concerned British elite have mostly
escaped the historically interested. The invisible intelligentia and
close-knit brotherhood behind wars and revolutions, religious clashes
cults and financial machinations.
    You seem to quote from a different article. If you have some
substantial critique regarding the topic you bring up reply there.
    • Replies: @RobinG
    James Brown says:
    June 30, 2018 at 8:31 am GMT • 600 Words

    “And as far as 1492 goes, that was the year nearly eight centuries
of Muslim, African domination, oppression, slavery and rapine, came to
a glorious and long-awaited end.”

    You got it wrong. 1492 is the beginning of the genocide of the
native Americans. Something, by the way, that Hitler and his partner
in crime, Churchill, admired and applied with great success when they
had the opportunity. It’s a long story and irrelevant why 1492 should
be considered the ”seminal event of our lifetimes.”
    Yes, our lifetimes. Literally. Superficially people talk about
“past”, “present” and “future”but in reality there is no such thing as
“past” or “future”…There is only the present. But let’s not go there.
If you are interested just read Saint-Augustine or even Huxley.

    “But the reason I see Orwell’s vision as ascendant over Huxley’s,
is because Huxley imagined a world where people would copulate with
their chains, being so enthralled with Soma and feel-goodisms, that
they’d love their servitude, and even be bread specifically for it.”

    You didn’t get Huxley. IMHO , Huxley was saying that people will
willingly surrender their freedom in exchange of “happiness”. Big
Brother is ruthless but in the USA and other “democracies”, the
fascists are not following (completely anyway) 1984’s model to get the
consent from the people.

    They’re giving people “bread and circuses” and keeping them busy
with “bread and circuses” and confused with 24 h/7 news channels.

    People are “happy” although they are slaves. Of course they don’t
know they are slaves. They have 450 channels and when they go to
shopping they can choose …well…whatever they want.

    This is the reason why most Americans do not know what happened
after 9/11 or who is responsible for that crime.
    Even if the mafia had decided to put to referendum most of
constitutional changes and laws that basically mean that American
people are losing their freedom, you can bet that American People
would have voted “yes”.

    Why ? Because they ‘re “happy” and they believe they are being
protected by the mafia

    “Just consider the state of affairs in the US or UK. Jews are the
undisputed rulers of the land. They own the central bank, they own the
media, Wall Street, the courts and the Christian preachers. They have
it made, man!”

    Agree. What I disagree is that you seem to believe that Russia is
an exception. Putin, according to you is a “great statesman”.

    Here, I’d like to suggest to you that you’re completely wrong.

    Only those who are brain dead or dishonest would disagree with
what you wrote above.
    But I’d argue that it’s only ignorance of what’s going on in
Russia that allow people to believe that the forces that control the
USA and UK don’t control also Russia.

    They do. The apparent contradictions of Russia’s foreign policy
(Russia “saved” Syria”, Russia has good relations with Iran….) are
just that.

    I don’t know what’s really going on but I believe that we have
enough proof to, at least, have some doubts about Putin and his

    Should we believe that Russia’s secret service didn’t know about
the coup d’état Nato was preparing in Ukraine ? If not, why did they
let it happen ?

    We’re told that Russia lost 40 M fighting the Nazis. Why then
allow a Nazi government in Ukraine killing Russians ?

    Why should Putin be friend of that fascist, the king of Israel ?

    Why Putin refuses to sell S-400 to Syria and Iran but sells it to Turkey ?

    I believe that the forces that control the USA and UK also control Russia.
    RobinG says:
    July 1, 2018 at 4:16 am GMT • 200 Words
    @Peter Grafström

    Well, much of your comments seem gleaned from the LPAC files,
perhaps even copied, although the misspelling would suggest not. You
cite Lyn ex-pats in your vilification of Assange. Julian is just one
[fairly young] guy, who did one big thing. He’s a computer savant
who’s used his talent to expose some secrets. It seems unreasonable to
expect him to know all about everything in the world.

    A hallmark of Larouchies is their cultish fervor. Notably, they
see British scheming everywhere, and they don’t tolerate different
opinions well. Since they’ve been groomed to believe in their own
superiority and Lyn’s infallibility, its not surprising. There must be
something Julian’s done that gets under their skin. Perhaps it’s just
resentment, since he’s gotten so much attention. It’s funny that one
of the critical memes is that he grew up in some sort of cult. Too
close to home? 🙂

    Your long history post was very interesting. I wonder how S2C has
done with parsing through it. Do you think everybody else was sitting
around twiddling their thumbs while the Brits were maneuvering, or
were the Brits just better at it?
    • Replies: @Peter Grafström
    Peter Grafström says:
    July 2, 2018 at 10:02 am GMT • 100 Words

    I posted a list of links in answer to your comment. It isnt here
now so perhaps they didnt let it through.
    I expect the mod should have informed me if there was some problem
but I have obtained no explanation. I will wait to see if this one
gets through.
    If you have a temporary email I can send the list.
    Peter Grafström says:
    July 2, 2018 at 11:16 am GMT • 600 Words

    The British controlled the narrative and that is why the majority
dont see Britains scheeming everywhere. They still control it since
the establishments in the west are ignorant about it.
    There is a constant stream of British-made so called documentaries
pumping their biased selection of material. People are thereby being
brainwashed on a regular basis.
    Carroll Quigley exposed them and in parallell Anthony Sutton
exposed the americans. There is reason to believe, in my view, that
they were both supported to do that by the big guys on both sides of
the Atlantic. Quigley by the Rockefellers and Sutton by the
    That doesnt detract from the credibility, it just alters the
emphasis a tad. Quigley is more heldback with regard to the
Rockefellers, while Sutton is more cautious concerning the jewish
element of the bolshevik leading bolshevik circles. I mean he could
have avoided to raise that issue if he wanted to but seems like he
wanted to openly downplay it.
    Quigley needed the Rockefellers permission to access the private
archives of the CFR and more.
    Docherty and MacGregor’s Hidden History from 2013 and the sequel,
both linked at ,
exposes Britains scheeming behind the firstworldwar and offers insight
into what Quigley was writing about. That is a good start since this
is completely marginalised info. D&M reveal in accessible manner what
the (British-made) angloamerican establishment meant for fomenting
needless war.
    Regarding Larouche, some people who left the ‘cult’, ought to be
seen as credible when spotting other examples of cults. The Cia preys
on the vulnerability of people like Assange in order to create spies
and double agents. They may deliberately produce lots of young adepts
around the world as a biproduct of their bolstering of all sorts of
organisations intended to open up rival nations for subversion. The
cultish aspect of Larouche notwithstanding , he encouraged his
coworkers to do independent research, and there is a lot of good
material at Larouchepub. The so called Executive intelligence review
    Some of them served long prison sentences without loosing faith in
the quest.
    Britains influence on China becoming Maoist involving the
angloamerican establishments John Dewey and Bertrand Russel isnt
widely realised.
    As for your question towards the end, one wealthy British
oligarch, of Venetian roots, Aubrey Herbert praised his compatriot
oligarch agents for having a rare talent for gaining trust and
affection from the establishment of targeted nations, while playing
them against each other.
    Bulwer Lytton for instance was offered the crown of Greece at one
point. He played a significant role in bringing about the cults behind
nazism in Germany while the mentioned Herbert oversaw the breakup of
the Ottoman Empire.
    So these powerful individuals recognised they were better at it
like you wonder. I think the British must have been more intelligent
in the Victorian era. In other nations like France and Germany I
suspect the intelligentia was more to be found in science and academia
proper(I mean not intended for imperial power but simply for truth
seeking). While in Britain there was an emphasis for sports creating a
more adventurous character. Hitler admired the British education for
the elites for the way in which the adepts were encouraged to FEEL
their inborn superiority and natural role as a dominating people
rather than a deeply reflecting and independently thinking one.
Emotion vs reason.
    Peter Grafström says:
    July 2, 2018 at 3:21 pm GMT • 100 Words

    I try posting two links and see if it is accepted.
    But then some technical problem arouse in both my connection to
unz and web.archive
    I now try removing authors name
    April 4, 2010
    Suspicions that Wikileaks is part of U.S. cyber-warfare operations

    Wikileaks Syria file benefits Cia/Nato

    Use for this item
    m___ says:
    August 12, 2018 at 8:58 am GMT

        The whole of the comment.

    Thanks, you are refining the issue, your suggestions are valuable.
    Johan says:
    April 15, 2019 at 2:48 am GMT • 100 Words

    If it is true that Assange is pro-Israel, it could be said at
minimum that anyone who does not target Israel, the world’s foremost
terrorist and parasite state, a danger to the whole world, and anyone
who does not address the Anglo-Zionist empire (formerly known as the
Western world) is not of real importance (not at all a hero like the
article claims, but rather at minimum a misguided useful fool). And
perhaps even power mongering parties are engaged here in fighting and
‘liquidating each other’ by exposing the garbage of the enemy…
    The Russians are right to distrust everyone from the Anglo-Zionist empire..
    Bill strick says:
    November 13, 2019 at 9:14 pm GMT • 100 Words

    I don’t understand why Israel with the influence it has worldwide,
has not been able to have Julian Assange freed and have a monument
built honoring him in the center of New York for exposing war crimes
by a secret military capable of exterminating the Jewish people again?
    Bill strick

More information about the cypherpunks mailing list