covid masks, Mikovits, considerations -- Re: give a listening ear to those who might "struggle" -- Fw: Interesting

[Karl]

Zen, you're in AU? I'm in US and tend to harmfully assume that others are.

Masks are economically competitive: like shoes, if you can get all your
citizens to wear them then slightly fewer people stop working sometimes due
to a problem from not.

Inhaling CO2 just gets you a little tired etc: it doesn't put you out of
work.


-

K

There is proof inside many peoples' electronics.  Proof that a marketing
group would contract development of a frightening virus.  A virus that
responds to peoples' keystrokes and browsing habits, and changes what
people see on their devices.  A virus that alters political behavior en
masse, for profit.

On Wed, Jul 22, 2020, 11:41 AM Zenaan Harkness <zen at freedbms.net> wrote:

> If you're frustrated, a bit fearful or even angry, the following discussion
> with the ever informative Leo may assist in getting grounded on the issue
> of
> masks during this covid lock down.
>
> We can't do more than we can do - higher authorities are in play here -
> but we
> do what we can for one another, the Aussie way.  We live in a great
> country of
> great people with big hearts and a larrikin way, and there ain't no need
> to go
> gettin all depressed now, especially when you know you're just one shopping
> trip away from bumping into some amazing legend in their own mind - it's
> uplifting :D
>
> If you're the type who music can be a pick up, perhaps a little country
> music:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjWY9udugZ0 "Thank God I’m a Country Boy
> (Aussie Version)".
>
> The short version of the convo below is this:
>
>    "If I am infected, and if I wear a mask when close to others, they
> might be
>    a bit less likely to get infected too".
>
> So take heart y'all,
>
>
>
> > > > > On 21/07/2020 10:39 am, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
> > > > > > Be alert.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In the face of extended uncertainty and lack of the truth being
> told
> > > > > > to us, some folks can get a bit stressed out.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > By reaching out when you get that nudge or "sharing a little
> support"
> > > > > > i.e. you're own groundedness, simple preparations ("hey, a
> little rice
> > > > > > and water can go a long way, right?") and reminders, you may
> lessen
> > > > > > the fright, the shock, and or the "madness" that some folks
> might tend
> > > > > > towards.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Keep it conservative/real, especially for those who are not
> inclined
> > > > > > to "think for themselves" much - you know the sort - sometimes a
> few
> > > > > > simple words like "we'll be right, we're Aussies, and we will
> pull
> > > > > > through this together, like we always have" can be enough to
> lighten
> > > > > > the load.  May be confirm that they have your phone number in
> their
> > > > > > mobile - could make all the difference to their sanity, and if
> they
> > > > > > have a family at home, this might mean a meaningful difference to
> > > > > > their family.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Keep a disposable mask prominently displayed in your shirt
> pocket or
> > > > > > around your neck, not only so you can use it if needed at a
> moment's
> > > > > > notice, but to remind one another that we should look out for
> each
> > > > > > other, that perhaps we ought take our duty of care
> "responsibility to
> > > > > > one another" seriously - and a mask let's people know you're
> thinking
> > > > > > of them, not just yourself!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > We do not whow how this virus might mutate into something much
> worse -
> > > > > > this is the big scientific difficulty with viruses, they can
> mutate on
> > > > > > a cycle of a few weeks, making any vaccine from even 6 months
> ago,
> > > > > > less than useful (vaccines are often not harmless, even when
> they are
> > > > > > ineffective).
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > So let's continue to give our best to each other, look out for
> each
> > > > > > other, this is just another journey.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Stay safe, be prepared, and do what your gut tells you is
> prudent,
> > > > > > moment by moment.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If you pray, then pray; if you meditate or contemplate, do that.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Good luck and may God's will prevail,
> > > > > > Zen
>
>
> > > > On Tue, Jul 21, 2020 at 10:59:01AM +1000, Leo wrote:
> > > > > uuummm About the mask Zen
> > > > >
> > > > > I have the book Plague of Corruption by expert virologist Dr Judy
> Mikovits in
> > > > > the USA, she makes it clear, that once air born it simply mixes
> with oxygen
> > > > > and you inhale it at the same time, mask or no mask. I think
> forcing people to
> > > > > wear masks is more an exercise on population control and getting
> used to
> > > > > orders/directives from "daddy"
> > > > >
> > > > > The damage and weakening effect due to inhaling your own carbon
> dioxide would
> > > > > pose a far greater risk
> > > > > And would they really care about our health? When they poison us
> with toxic
> > > > > vaccinations and GMO food and destroyed diary products etc.
> > > > >
> > > > > 1) Your oxygen intake is less
> > > > > 2) Inhaling toxic air
> > > > > 3) Weakening immune system further.
> > > > >
> > > > > We live in a circus :-)
>
>
>
> > > On 22/07/2020 1:00 am, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
> > > > Interesting - may be her book is a big part of why they try to shut
> her down.
> > > >
> > > > Obviously "according to the narrative", the mask is only useful if
> you are closer to someone than the "official" 1.5 meters.
> > > >
> > > > I do have one important (hopefully obvious) question:
> > > >
> > > >      does Mikovits say that in the scenario where
> > > >         - if I am infected with a virus,
> > > >         - and I wear a mask,
> > > >         - and if you are "close" to me (say, less than 1.5 meters),
> > > >         - and we are say talking to each other,
> > > >         - and then if I cough,
> > > >
> > > >      then does me wearing a mask NOT reduce the likelihood of you
> getting that virus that I have?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I'd really like to know Mikovits' position on this?
> > > >
> > > > Thank you very much,
> > > > Zen
>
>
>
> > On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 09:05:50AM +1000, Leo wrote:
> > > Because the mask holes have to be big enough to allow oxygen
> intake....then
> > > they are big enough to allow the virus through.
> > >
> > > But fair enough, it could give "some" protection, BUT I am simply
> quoting from
> > > an expert virologist in that field.
> > > But I think the point is more like when you have lots of people at a
> normal
> > > distance, extremely unlikely there would be any benefit from a mask,
> less
> > > oxygen and ingesting your own expelled air would actually lower your
> own
> > > immunity and it does not make  a lot of sense as a general rule for
> the public
> > > as a whole, I try not to have opinions, I am just quoting the expert.
> > >
> > > The same logic as the so called lock down and isolation, more people
> will be
> > > harmed by losing jobs, their business and maybe their home if we get
> that 2nd
> > > wave.
> > > But then again, the pandemic is just a means to to install the NWO,
> get used
> > > to doing what you are told, no matter how stupid it is.
> > >
> > > The main point is this, say the different viruses are like smarties in
> a big
> > > jar, lots of colours representing different viruses, well up to now we
> just
> > > called them smarties when people died (Flu) and it just pushed them
> over the
> > > edge, usually having had bad health conditions, but now when someone
> dies,
> > > they say he died because he had the red smartie CV19
> > >
> > > In the USA one of the worst hit areas, the yearly mortality rate for
> the whole
> > > country has not changed, what does that confirm?
> > > That is not to say that the next wave released maybe 4 times stronger,
> we can
> > > only deal with as things change and challenge us once more.
> > >
> > > Anyway for me, it is more important to keep my immune system strong
> and make
> > > sure I have antiviral solutions at hand, just in case of that second
> more
> > > severe wave.
> > > We need to combine our efforts and all work
> together................and maybe
> > > not dispute minor applications, that applies to me as well :-)
>
>
>
> On 22/07/2020 9:43 am, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
> > Yes I've been aware for some weeks that a mask does not really reduce
> your
> > likelihood, only that it reduces spittle transmission range when people
> > cough, which might help others.
> >
> > I was really hoping Mikovits or someone had spoken to this a little more
> > clearly.
> >
> > As to re-inhaling your own CO2, with most masks at least, this is a
> pretty
> > small % of a full breath, although it's true that many people breathe
> rather
> > shallowly - although this is perhaps more of an argument for breathing
> > properly rather than to avoid masks, I accept that there may be some %
> > reduction in O2/ increase in CO2 when wearing a mask.
> >
> > I believe that what Mikovits says she says, but I actually have not yet
> seen
> > any quote from her or from her book on this topic, though if one exists,
> I'd
> > certainly be interested to read it...
> >
> > Regarding the lock down in general, I believe we are not yet in a NWO
> > installation free for all, although there is certainly some push for this
> > from Bill Gates for example.
> >
> > What I believe is that we are in a period of testing and judgement,
> literally
> > from the realm(s) above.
> >
> > This is why I encourage people to get their house in order, rather than
> say
> > be belligerent and stop paying rent or mortgage if you are able, pay your
> > debts where you can and "clean up your back yard".
> >
> > If everything we have here is from a template in the heavens, then they
> have
> > their supercomputers and have their records on us which they update
> during
> > this judgement time.
> >
> > You're right that we should certainly be cautious of what the MSM
> "tells" us,
> > but some things do actually have a righteous foundation, and we owe it to
> > ourselves to try to determine what has a righteous foundation, and what
> is
> > simply tyranny knocking on the door.
> >
> > And when we can see that something might help others, at least in some
> > situations, then it is of course the right thing to do to help others,
> and so
> > we should do that.
> >
> > Even if it's small, I believe that sometimes wearing a mask may help
> others
> > by reducing their likelihood of infection.
> >
> > It might be small, but it's a simple way we can look out for one
> another, and
> > there's really no reason to not do that.
> >
> > It's of course a good thing (and probably the primary personal benefit)
> to
> > keep our own immune system strong.
> >
> > But perhaps we should not dismiss so quickly those small things that
> might
> > help others.  And frankly, if anything like the Spanish flu appears,
> I'll be
> > really happy that people are trained to wear masks to reduce _their_
> > spreading to me, if they get infected - I do not see this as a bad thing.
> >
> > As long as the elites do the "divorce with China" thing, properly, I am
> happy
> > with learning when a mask might be useful for me or others...
>
>
>
> > On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 10:30:20AM +1000, Leo wrote:
> Thanks for feedback Zen, 100 % agreed on how we react now, determines our
> future
> in other spheres
> Have a lovely day, we all do what we can.
> I will send you a recipe to assist in knocking these out.........
>
>
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