Whites going ape for Blacks in America -- Re: Soros' BLM _finally_ lifting their image, much to Soros' relief -- Re: surprisingly, Soros now pins US color revolution on Trump

[Karl]

You didn't respond to my one question to understand you other than "no"!  =(

On Sun, Aug 2, 2020, 10:32 PM Zenaan Harkness <zen at freedbms.net> wrote:

> > I'm aware of whites killing blacks for sport, in the present day.  I
> don't
> > have exposure to blacks killing whites, and honestly there are so many of
> > us and our way of life seems so harmful to me, it seems the lesser issue
> to
> > me.
>
> Your almost explicit sanctioning (in the words you chose to use) of the
> "culling of one subgroup of our community" is abhorrent, no matter the skin
> colour of the sub group you target in this way.
>
> And your stated excuse that "our way of life seems harmful to me" can
> never ever be a sufficient excuse for the culling of ANY sub group of ANY
> colour.
>
> Sanction the culling of one sub group (as these words just did) and you
> sanction the culling of any and every sub group, i.e. everybody, which is
> despotism, and makes you look like a despot when you say such things.
>

You are saying that all groups (all people) are precious, right?  I agree
with this strongly.  And what do you think of long term trends of change?

This is one of the problems in the "Black" Lives Matter movement - people
> get lulled into literal extermination agendas, thinking they are signalling
> great virtue by doing so.
>

This makes no sense to me.

When we sanction the murder of a sub group, we sanction the destruction of
> the lives of our fellow Souls, and this is a despotic position, an evil
> position that you appear to take (evil is that which opposes my life, for
> any individual value of "my").
>

By finding a shared concept between us, you are mediating.

I do not believe in evil.  I do not believe anything opposes the life of
another.  Engaging another life at all indicates value for its spirit in
some way.

We must live a higher ethic collectively, and Karl, I encourage you to do
> so.
>

Thanks.  Let's archive this list on a blockchain.

> Before we came to the USA where I lived, it was covered in free black
> > people.
>
> This makes no sense to me.  I cannot understand what you are saying, by
> reading the words you wrote.
>

Sorry, I wrote "lived" instead of "live".  Does that clear it up?  Before
white people came to the western continent I live on, it was covered in
indigenous folk who had well established ways of life that mostly need
large tracts of healthy wilderness in order to not die off.

> We have yet to give their few remaining cultures and grandchildren
> > recompense for their genocide for us to replace their culture with ours.
>
> Again, this is, unfortunately, very unclear, and appears to assume
> collectivist guilt (a fundamentally Marxist propaganda) and other
> communication problems.
>

Tell me about collectivist guilt; never heard of it.  Is Marxism relevent
and inherently bad?  I don't know its details.

My main point is not culling these numerous groups.

Indigenous groups appear to struggle to survive.  Their treaties are not
respected.  Their land is craftily taken for profit like mining
operations.  Their people are indoctrinated to buy and consume things as a
new way of life.  These things are a small subset of how we are culling
them.

If you wish to help heal the world, I suggest learning to speak (write)
> more clearly, for example, by limiting each sentence to a single concept.
>

I'm not sure what's new to you, but I've edited some sentences to separate
things out.

(It is a bully tactic to combine multiple unclear and unsupported concepts
> into one mashed up sentence, and for those unaware, presents too great a
> barrier to defend themselves, or to defend sanity, against such bullying.)
>

This is a bad habit I have.  I used to call it oppression and avoid it, I
don't remember what kind.

It seems a little helpful to bully back when there's too much, confusing.


====Cool sentence below====

> Please stop using such bullying techniques.
>
====Rad sentence above====

<could use help stopping, save world with excess?>

> We then went to Africa and did the same.  We have had 1 male black
> > president; my black roommate in college said his high school advisor told
> > him he would never be able to go to college.  Mine gave me many to choose
> > from.
>
> Again a mish mash of concepts and partial "non" facts - I realise you may
> be trying to speak from facts, but your facts are not my facts except that
> you slow down, presenting them in a way that others can hear, and actually
> discuss with you.
>
> If you don't want discussion, then again this would be your choice to use
> such bullying tactics.


Did you say what you mean here?  It's not helpful to slow down?  What kind
of facts do you have?

> I have been a cyberslave myself, and know some terror of running until
> your
> > shoes break and your feet get frostbite, to escape from an environment
> > where everybody you can reach supports you not being free.  There are
> still
> > people who believe blacks to be slaves, and they act on their beliefs in
> > terrifying ways.
> >
> > There are fewer black people than white people.  We need to protect them
> or
> > they will die off.
>
> Again you make assertions without support of facts.
>

Are you asking for supporting evidence to believe what I say?  If so it's
not hard to find and I may be able to add a little if you really don't
believe these things; but I am on a $20 mobile phone.

That is a diatribe, not a conversation.
>
> You may or may not want conversation - that is a matter for you.
>

I feel this way about your end too.

You might want to ground your words in truth rather than in propaganda.
> Without truth, how do you know whose agenda you are pushing, perhaps even
> thinking it is your own agenda?
>

I don't know what you are talking about here, and I'm irritated to have to
say that.  Agendas are in all of our culture.  Truth is reality which I
stated.  Personal reasons are also very important for me, and it would be
good if we could give each other the trust of relating our experienced with
relevent honesty.  Are you asking for evidence?  Of something in particular?

(For one example, why are you proposing to massively increase the
> population in China of blacks, just to achieve some misguided idea of
> "equality in China" - do you thing the Chinese would agree with you that
> they should massively increase theil Black population so you can "appease
> your White guilt"??)
>

It seems.obvious to me that what you are saying here makes no sense.  China
was the tiananmen thing some time ago?

Mediation comes from my heart.  I've never been to China.

> People talking about white racism seem to be describing minority rights as
> > unfair ... That it hurts white people to defend black people?
>
> No.
>

It is so hard to learn from such a short answer.  It sounds like you
believe white people are being wiped out by black people?

(I'm imagining a graph of population here, but I don't want to argue with
you when I need to learn where you come from to stop threatening your
views.)

Karl, good communication is not easy, it takes real effort and practice and
> writing, and reviewing your own words and rewriting as necessary.
>

This is so painful and reminds me of my childhood of bullying!  You talk
about China like it is relevent!

What you mean to say is that both of us are rapidly learning to become
incredibly good communicators ;P

But thank you I do need the pressure.  Hard next to politics.

If you make efforts, some will assist. If you stick to cheap bullying and
> other tactics, little space is left for meaningful communication.
>

Spirit never dies.  Meaningful communication is the only thing that exists.

>
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