You didn't respond to my one question to understand you other than
   "no"!  =(
   On Sun, Aug 2, 2020, 10:32 PM Zenaan Harkness <[1]zen@freedbms.net>
   wrote:

     > I'm aware of whites killing blacks for sport, in the present day.
     I don't
     > have exposure to blacks killing whites, and honestly there are so
     many of
     > us and our way of life seems so harmful to me, it seems the lesser
     issue to
     > me.
     Your almost explicit sanctioning (in the words you chose to use) of
     the "culling of one subgroup of our community" is abhorrent, no
     matter the skin colour of the sub group you target in this way.
     And your stated excuse that "our way of life seems harmful to me"
     can never ever be a sufficient excuse for the culling of ANY sub
     group of ANY colour.
     Sanction the culling of one sub group (as these words just did) and
     you sanction the culling of any and every sub group, i.e. everybody,
     which is despotism, and makes you look like a despot when you say
     such things.

   You are saying that all groups (all people) are precious, right?  I
   agree with this strongly.  And what do you think of long term trends of
   change?

     This is one of the problems in the "Black" Lives Matter movement -
     people get lulled into literal extermination agendas, thinking they
     are signalling great virtue by doing so.

   This makes no sense to me.

     When we sanction the murder of a sub group, we sanction the
     destruction of the lives of our fellow Souls, and this is a despotic
     position, an evil position that you appear to take (evil is that
     which opposes my life, for any individual value of "my").

   By finding a shared concept between us, you are mediating.
   I do not believe in evil.  I do not believe anything opposes the life
   of another.  Engaging another life at all indicates value for its
   spirit in some way.

     We must live a higher ethic collectively, and Karl, I encourage you
     to do so.

   Thanks.  Let's archive this list on a blockchain.

     > Before we came to the USA where I lived, it was covered in free
     black
     > people.
     This makes no sense to me.  I cannot understand what you are saying,
     by reading the words you wrote.

   Sorry, I wrote "lived" instead of "live".  Does that clear it up?
   Before white people came to the western continent I live on, it was
   covered in indigenous folk who had well established ways of life that
   mostly need large tracts of healthy wilderness in order to not die off.

     > We have yet to give their few remaining cultures and grandchildren
     > recompense for their genocide for us to replace their culture with
     ours.
     Again, this is, unfortunately, very unclear, and appears to assume
     collectivist guilt (a fundamentally Marxist propaganda) and other
     communication problems.

   Tell me about collectivist guilt; never heard of it.  Is Marxism
   relevent and inherently bad?  I don't know its details.
   My main point is not culling these numerous groups.
   Indigenous groups appear to struggle to survive.  Their treaties are
   not respected.  Their land is craftily taken for profit like mining
   operations.  Their people are indoctrinated to buy and consume things
   as a new way of life.  These things are a small subset of how we are
   culling them.

     If you wish to help heal the world, I suggest learning to speak
     (write) more clearly, for example, by limiting each sentence to a
     single concept.

   I'm not sure what's new to you, but I've edited some sentences to
   separate things out.

     (It is a bully tactic to combine multiple unclear and unsupported
     concepts into one mashed up sentence, and for those unaware,
     presents too great a barrier to defend themselves, or to defend
     sanity, against such bullying.)

   This is a bad habit I have.  I used to call it oppression and avoid it,
   I don't remember what kind.
   It seems a little helpful to bully back when there's too much,
   confusing.
   ====Cool sentence below====

     Please stop using such bullying techniques.

   ====Rad sentence above====
   <could use help stopping, save world with excess?>

     > We then went to Africa and did the same.  We have had 1 male black
     > president; my black roommate in college said his high school
     advisor told
     > him he would never be able to go to college.  Mine gave me many to
     choose
     > from.
     Again a mish mash of concepts and partial "non" facts - I realise
     you may be trying to speak from facts, but your facts are not my
     facts except that you slow down, presenting them in a way that
     others can hear, and actually discuss with you.
     If you don't want discussion, then again this would be your choice
     to use such bullying tactics.

   Did you say what you mean here?  It's not helpful to slow down?  What
   kind of facts do you have?

     > I have been a cyberslave myself, and know some terror of running
     until your
     > shoes break and your feet get frostbite, to escape from an
     environment
     > where everybody you can reach supports you not being free.  There
     are still
     > people who believe blacks to be slaves, and they act on their
     beliefs in
     > terrifying ways.
     >
     > There are fewer black people than white people.  We need to
     protect them or
     > they will die off.
     Again you make assertions without support of facts.

   Are you asking for supporting evidence to believe what I say?  If so
   it's not hard to find and I may be able to add a little if you really
   don't believe these things; but I am on a $20 mobile phone.

     That is a diatribe, not a conversation.
     You may or may not want conversation - that is a matter for you.

   I feel this way about your end too.

     You might want to ground your words in truth rather than in
     propaganda.  Without truth, how do you know whose agenda you are
     pushing, perhaps even thinking it is your own agenda?

   I don't know what you are talking about here, and I'm irritated to have
   to say that.  Agendas are in all of our culture.  Truth is reality
   which I stated.  Personal reasons are also very important for me, and
   it would be good if we could give each other the trust of relating our
   experienced with relevent honesty.  Are you asking for evidence?  Of
   something in particular?

     (For one example, why are you proposing to massively increase the
     population in China of blacks, just to achieve some misguided idea
     of "equality in China" - do you thing the Chinese would agree with
     you that they should massively increase theil Black population so
     you can "appease your White guilt"??)

   It seems.obvious to me that what you are saying here makes no sense.
   China was the tiananmen thing some time ago?
   Mediation comes from my heart.  I've never been to China.

     > People talking about white racism seem to be describing minority
     rights as
     > unfair ... That it hurts white people to defend black people?
     No.

   It is so hard to learn from such a short answer.  It sounds like you
   believe white people are being wiped out by black people?
   (I'm imagining a graph of population here, but I don't want to argue
   with you when I need to learn where you come from to stop threatening
   your views.)

     Karl, good communication is not easy, it takes real effort and
     practice and writing, and reviewing your own words and rewriting as
     necessary.

   This is so painful and reminds me of my childhood of bullying!  You
   talk about China like it is relevent!
   What you mean to say is that both of us are rapidly learning to become
   incredibly good communicators ;P
   But thank you I do need the pressure.  Hard next to politics.

     If you make efforts, some will assist. If you stick to cheap
     bullying and other tactics, little space is left for meaningful
     communication.

   Spirit never dies.  Meaningful communication is the only thing that
   exists.

References

   1. mailto:zen@freedbms.net