Is Joe Biden guilty of obstruction of justice?

[John Newman]

On October 9, 2019 9:26:47 PM UTC, jim bell <jdb10987 at yahoo.com> wrote:
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>On Wednesday, October 9, 2019, 01:52:57 PM PDT, Peter Fairbrother
><peter at tsto.co.uk> wrote:  
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> On 09/10/2019 21:02, jim bell wrote:
>>> I try to avoid posting "political" issues, or at least initiating
>them, 
>>> but Joe Biden just called for Trump to be impeached because Trump
>called 
>>> on Ukraine and China to investigate him, Joe Biden. >
>>> I wonder why this doesn't qualify as "attempted obstruction of 
>>> justice".  
>
>>Not even if Biden is guilty of something (for which we have 
>>approximately zero evidence) and was trying to hide it.
>
>>Trump was not performing the lawful investigative act of a Government 
>official - whether or not his motive was purely the administration of 
>justice, his act is clearly and specifically illegal under US election 
>law - therefore obstructing that unlawful act cannot be obstruction of
>justice.
>Could you cite which specific part of US election law" that Trump's
>action was "clearly and specifically illegal"?
>And I notice you said "US election law".   We're not having an election
>now, at least not for about 13 months.  How does this magic "US
>election law" guide what somebody says 13 months prior to an election?
>(Note:  I'm not suggesting that "US election law" cannot possibly
>apply, due to this 13-month distance in time.   But Biden is not yet
>even a nominee, and hardly even an official candidate, for office.  Are
>you saying that if Trump had asked a foreign country to investigate
>merely an ordinary citizen for a possible crime, that WOULDN'T be a
>problem under "US election laws", merely because that ordinary citizen
>isn't a candidate in an election?   That simply doesn't make sense.
>Remember, when Hillary Clinton had her law firm Perkin Coie hire
>FusionGPS to hire Christopher Steele to talk to many Russians, Donald
>Trump was DEFINITELY a candidate.  And soon enough, the FBI became
>involved.  So wasn't THAT an act which was "clearly and specifically
>illegal under US election law".   I know, consistency's a bitch, huh?
>C'mon, let's use some logic here.  
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>>In a few other jurisdictions it might be considered to be perverting
>the 
>course of justice - but it is not obstruction of justice as defined 
>under US law, which is obstructing the lawful judicial actions of 
>prosecutors, investigators or other Government officials.
>
>Is it legal for Trump to ask a foreign nation to do a criminal
>investigation?   I'm not aware that it is specifically illegal.  It
>isn't a crime, I think,   It's not REQUIRED, of course, but that
>doesn't mean that what Biden said was not (attempted) obstruction of
>justice.
>
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>>If you have been following the Brexit implosion, there is a law here 
>which says that (under some circumstances) Boris must ask the EU for an
>
>extension, which Boris has said he will not do, and also that he will. 
>He definitely doesn't want to.
>
>>It has been suggested that he might ask a EU country to refuse the 
>extension as a way of getting round the law. However if he did, and it 
>meant Brexit happened, anyone who was in any way disadvantaged by
>Brexit 
>could then sue Boris, as his action as Prime Minister would not have 
>been lawful.
>
>I'm not sure how that's relevant in this case....
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>>What was it Nixon said? "Well, when the President does it, that means 
>that it is not illegal."
>Just because Nixon said something, that neither definitely makes it
>right, nor makes it wrong.  
>
>>Nope, thankfully it doesn't work like that.
>
>Neither does it, the other way around.  
>
>                     Jim Bell  

So which way does it work? Is it illegal unless the president does it?
Well, obviously, if he can get away with it, then yes! It's all palace intrigue 
amongst self interested elites and the winner makes the "rules".

I don't know why Jim is pretending any of this shit has any "legal"
grounding. It's internecine warfare because the king got a little too
vulgar. You can loot the the little guy all day long, but at least be 
half-ass fucking articulate, and for that matter half ass competent,
when twisting the screws.

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