The Cypherpunk's 1995 Archive has been forged, and what are we going to do about it? (was:Re: Could someone add news of Cypherpunks Archive...

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From: Ryan Lackey <rdl at mit.edu>
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 00:26:33 +0800
Subject: mailing list archive




My hard disk now contains an archive of all the messages (I hope...there
are 90k of them) posted on cypherpunks, since the beginning.  It's
CD-ROM sized; I'm building a glimpse index of them right now and will put
them up on the web (tentatively somewhere on http://sof.mit.edu/) soon.  

I'll also be happy to copy them onto particular media (tape, cd, etc.) if I 
have access to the drive, for cost + a meager amount to make it worth the
effort.  I think getting list archives distributed to as many people as
possible would be a good thing -- hopefully a recursive auction market will
start and people will leave me alone after a while.

I'm doing this because there isn't a decent searchable index anywhere
that I've found, and it would be a nice thing to have, and I don't think
the time is too far off when people will try to eliminate the list.  I've
been using the archive of cpunks as my test data set in writing Eternity
DDS -- I thought it was vaguely poetic, in a way.


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From: Ryan Lackey <rdl at mit.edu>
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 02:38:02 +0800
Subject: Re: mailing list archive




Doh -- I thought my dataset included everything, but it instead just
covers every article I can think of between:

> Date: Tue, 27 Apr 93 22:53:39 BST
> From: whitaker at eternity.demon.co.uk (Russell E. Whitaker)
> Reply-To: whitaker at eternity.demon.co.uk
> To: cypherpunks at toad.com
> Cc: whitaker at eternity.demon.co.uk

and the present.  I'm also feeling tempted to incorporate the archives of
some of the offshoot mailing lists, like coderpunks, etc.  

Does anyone know of a good source for the messages before that one?  How
many were there, approximately?  If there are a bunch of them and you can
merge them with mine, I'll be happy to send you a cd of the result.

If enough people want to buy CDs of the data, I'll set up an order page,
establish pricing, etc.  Right now, for me to make a CD requires buying
media and doing it at the media lab, unless I buy a drive, so the cost
is somewhat dependent upon how many people are interested.  If someone wants
to use corporate or government money to overpay for a cd so I can buy
a cd-r writer and make it cheaper for everyone else, I'll think fondly of
whatever organization you represent :)  

Utterly ignoring the copyright issues in the interest of getting wide
dispersal, especially since it's unlikely anyone cares since no one will
get rich selling cypherpunks cd-roms,
Ryan
(the last time I wished for something in parenthetical postscript it worked.
Wish granting service, will you please make the people of the world 
clueful enough to replace governmental/military force with cryptography?  Or
convince one of my professors that they should sign a blank thesis?)
-- 
Ryan Lackey
rdl at mit.edu
http://mit.edu/rdl/		




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From: Ryan Lackey <rdl at mit.edu>
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 03:00:41 +0800
Subject: Re: technical issues of the list




Tim May wrote:

> (There is, by the way, a project simmering along to put the 5 years of
> Cypherpunks traffic on a Web site...)

I have everything but the first 8 months or so of traffic in the process
of going up on the web soon. (Stupid deadline appeared which put this off
for a few hours).  If the first 8 months were in someplace I could find
them, then there would be a nice complete archive no longer simmering, but
up on the web, ready for people to mirror.  Dr. Dobbs' Journal sells
a Cryptography CD-ROM with AC v 2, etc. on it for $99, and combined with
a Cypherpunks CD-ROM containing list archives of cypherpunks, coderpunks,
cryptography at c2.org, and maybe some other stuff for $50 or so, there would
be 2-cd solution.

I'm pretty sure all 5 years fit on one cd-rom -- I've been using 4 years
as an eternity dds dataset, along with some other stuff, and I think it is
less than 500mb, although one of the problems with my current eternity
file system under linux is that there is no way of telling how big a
directory is (yay VFS kludges). 
-- 
Ryan Lackey
rdl at mit.edu
http://mit.edu/rdl/