What % of the so-called alt-right were just plain ol' libertarians before?

[Zenaan Harkness]

On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 08:33:14PM -0800, Razer wrote:
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> On 11/21/2016 07:35 PM, jim bell wrote:
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> > *From:* Razer <rayzer at riseup.net>
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> > On 11/21/2016 12:49 PM, Steve Kinney wrote:
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> > THIS!
> > "Libertarians see absolutely nothing wrong with the very rich "gaming
> > the system" for personal advantage in every way that having a lot of
> > money to spend makes possible. "
> > WRONG! This libertarian, and I suspect most libertarians, object to
> > the EXISTENCE of a "game-able" system, one that employs something
> > called a "government", to take "personal advantage" over others.
> 
> In my experience with LIbertarians IRL that is ABSOLUTELY NOT what I'm
> seeing. Maybe you should consider the moniker's been usurped like
> "Marxist" and "Socialist" have been and borged into the belief system
> and demands of the existent US society.

Ack!

Starting from where we are now (largely corporate / oligarchical
fascism), there are various pathways to a "free" / "libertarian" / "etc"
future:

 - shock therapy: revolution, chaos, massive speedy change (hopefully
   change for the 'better' 'free' future, and not a new version of the
   existing system

 - gradualism: chip away, meme (verb) changes into existence, join the
   GOP and work with Trump :)

 - plank by plank, step by step, pathways: imagine a flowchart of steps,
   policy planks such that "single issue parties" could implement, but
   not small issues, instead substantial steps
   - different folk might dream up different flow charts
   - which pathways of planks might be more likely than others to get
     us from here, to some 'free' future?


"Government"s are appealing to 'the people' since they imply some
control, safety, stability, freebies, for the people.
The relevant point out of this is that 'the people' must always be
considered, as in, 'the people' as they are now:
 - programmed
 - struggling to survive
 - raising children
 - believing in 'democracy'
 - believing in 'the failure of democracy'
 - etc

E.g.:
- Is a herd stampede likely in the shock therapy scenario? (witness
  the overthrows of old Russia/ the Tsar, USA / CIA's endless 'imposed
  democratic coups' since WWII, and etc etc)