comprehending the heart's nationalism

[Александр]

2016-06-30 22:33 GMT+03:00 Stephen D. Williams <sdw at lig.net>:

> The world has a long memory; true propaganda, distorting or outright lying
> about the actual facts, is going to be quite apparent later.  It's fine for
> Russia to be proud of themselves, but it seems like they have been
> embarrassing themselves frequently.  In the unlikely event that we elect
> Trump, we might return the favor for a while.  But everyone would see
> through it and know it would stop in 4 years, so it would likely be more
> humorous than anything.  The US is too open and too self-examining in
> public for much false propaganda to get very far for long.
>
> I'm not sure that American Sniper is propaganda, even unintentionally.
> Seems mostly like highlighting the sad situations people have allowed to
> happen.  Perhaps in the Strongest Tribe sense it has some weight, but
> snipers are a narrow, special breed.  I would think that the magical hand
> of God like drone war would have more weight.  The effect depends on what
> those people are thinking: Do they realize that they can never win in any
> serious sense?  Do they care or are they fine with just proving a point?
>
> The US almost completely holds back on propaganda / education in the
> world, maybe for fear of or a general policy against being seen to be
> promulgating propaganda.  In most cases, where media and news and the
> Internet flow openly, it isn't really needed.  However, when hardly anyone
> in Afghanistan knows anything at all about 9/11 or similar, that is a
> failure of the world to provide even basic knowledge to everyone.  Separate
> from that, just understanding how a modern culture works, whether the US or
> Europe or any other high-functioning society, would be an important thing
> for some seriously problematic masses of people to know.  I don't care who
> causes effective education to bring these people up to date with
> understanding modern cultures, but it needs to happen.  In the absence of
> some other paths, it would seem like an important strategy for both US
> State and Defense, but I don't see it happening much.
>
> The US has no need to try to make people like it; that should not
> generally be a goal.  But the world, especially including the capable
> Western world, both governments and populations, has a responsibility to
> educate those with abject ignorance, poverty, and knowing nothing but
> conflict that there are better ways of being, limitless opportunities, and
> that they could effectively work to modernize and become effective
> societies and cultures.  We need something similar to 'genocide' to
> identify pathological ignorance, recognize that it leads to the ruin of
> many lives, and determine how to take action to stop it.  There is no need
> for each culture to be exactly like the West or a particular form of
> government, but they should understand the options, understand how things
> can work effectively and why, and be able to incorporate elements in a
> local way to eventually make it work.  We need to decide how hands off we
> should be in allowing large areas to fumble about without making progress
> and even regress.  The prime directive should only apply to societies that
> are functioning to a reasonable degree.
>
> An interesting question is whether and how poisoned thinking, i.e. bad
> memes, are shared, instilled, and propagated to eventually create
> terrorists and criminals:  What should we do to prevent spreading poisonous
> ideas?  Should we be rooting out bad imams, literature, religious leaders?
> Ideally, our values and culture is an effective answer to these sources,
> but, just like in the biological world, eventually a successful defense
> will occur.  If you've read The Selfish Gene, you know that truth,
> rightness, or goodness are not the goals of particular genes or memes
> (ideas).  The only thing that determines success is successful competition
> and replication.  Our Western ideas can successfully compete and replicate
> against these bad meme sets, but only if they are present.  We seem to be
> in a situation where some of our allies are supporting the teaching of
> memes that are directly opposed to modern knowledge, including social and
> political knowledge.  What should we do about that?
>
> All of this is crosscutting to security, encryption, communication,
> publishing, and surveillance.  Distrust is healthy, and sometimes prudent.
> And, if we fail totally as a modern society, we may need it to maintain a
> modern underground in our new dark ages.  In addition to safe commerce and
> social connection, and balancing government and keeping it healthy, we
> should even better organize and extend the ways that we help enlighten the
> ignorant while combating meme cancer.
>
> I imagine that soon we'll have universally available Internet (LEOs for
> instance), ultra-inexpensive devices (smart phones are down to $50 or less
> now), and organized, complete, and effective educational material that is
> somehow available, safe, and effective for everyone.  There should be some
> kind of support systems of various kinds, to the extent possible.  We are
> failing for not working toward these kind of things effectively enough.
>

In this loooong comment, i see so many lies and propaganda... so many
delusions and contradictions (some of them Juan has commented), so many
psychological techniques that mislead the direction of the discussed
subject/s.... that it seems like *a big fucken ameriCunt SARCASM*, when
someone claims, among other false things, that there is no propaganda
in/from the us, providing a billion tons of cheap US propaganda by himself.

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