comprehending the heart's nationalism
juan
juan.g71 at gmail.com
Thu Jun 30 13:10:39 PDT 2016
On Thu, 30 Jun 2016 12:33:22 -0700
"Stephen D. Williams" <sdw at lig.net> wrote:
> In the unlikely
> event that we elect Trump,
He is unlikely to be elected because he's marginally better
than that murderours cunt, your boss hitlery.
> The US is too
> open and too self-examining in public for much false propaganda to
> get very far for long.
Of course. The only propaganda that the US tolerates is 'true'
propaganda.
>
> I'm not sure that American Sniper is propaganda,
Of course not. It's not propaganda! It's jew-kristian art.
> The US almost completely holds back on propaganda
Right. The US psycho-leaders and all their sheep don't even know
what 'propaganda' means. They've never seen any, let alone
produced it.
> However, when hardly
> anyone in Afghanistan knows anything at all about 9/11 or similar,
That's interesting. So you know exactly what the population of
afghanistan (let's assume 25 million) knows?
How did you manage that one? You must have a high ranking
position in the americunt 'national security' 'industry' eh.
And you speak a few varieties of persian I assume?
> that is a failure of the world to provide even basic knowledge to
> everyone.
And now you sound flatly crazy. The 'world' is supposed to
provide knowledge? What, you think "world" means "fascist
public indoctrination system"?
At any rate, I'd bet a couple of cents that people in
afhanistan know about your 9/11 false flag attack.
> it would seem like an important strategy for both US State and
> Defense, but I don't see it happening much.
So we have a piece of neocunt shit making world domination
plans in the cpunks mailing list. How cute is that?
Anyway, enough time wasted.
>
> The US has no need to try to make people like it; that should not
> generally be a goal. But the world, especially including the capable
> Western world, both governments and populations, has a responsibility
> to educate those with abject ignorance, poverty, and knowing nothing
> but conflict that there are better ways of being, limitless
> opportunities, and that they could effectively work to modernize and
> become effective societies and cultures. We need something similar
> to 'genocide' to identify pathological ignorance, recognize that it
> leads to the ruin of many lives, and determine how to take action to
> stop it. There is no need for each culture to be exactly like the
> West or a particular form of government, but they should understand
> the options, understand how things can work effectively and why, and
> be able to incorporate elements in a local way to eventually make it
> work. We need to decide how hands off we should be in allowing large
> areas to fumble about without making progress and even regress. The
> prime directive should only apply to societies that are functioning
> to a reasonable degree.
>
> An interesting question is whether and how poisoned thinking, i.e.
> bad memes, are shared, instilled, and propagated to eventually create
> terrorists and criminals: What should we do to prevent spreading
> poisonous ideas? Should we be rooting out bad imams, literature,
> religious leaders? Ideally, our values and culture is an effective
> answer to these sources, but, just like in the biological world,
> eventually a successful defense will occur. If you've read The
> Selfish Gene, you know that truth, rightness, or goodness are not the
> goals of particular genes or memes (ideas). The only thing that
> determines success is successful competition and replication. Our
> Western ideas can successfully compete and replicate against these
> bad meme sets, but only if they are present. We seem to be in a
> situation where some of our allies are supporting the teaching of
> memes that are directly opposed to modern knowledge, including social
> and political knowledge. What should we do about that?
>
> All of this is crosscutting to security, encryption, communication,
> publishing, and surveillance. Distrust is healthy, and sometimes
> prudent. And, if we fail totally as a modern society, we may need it
> to maintain a modern underground in our new dark ages. In addition
> to safe commerce and social connection, and balancing government and
> keeping it healthy, we should even better organize and extend the
> ways that we help enlighten the ignorant while combating meme cancer.
>
> I imagine that soon we'll have universally available Internet (LEOs
> for instance), ultra-inexpensive devices (smart phones are down to
> $50 or less now), and organized, complete, and effective educational
> material that is somehow available, safe, and effective for
> everyone. There should be some kind of support systems of various
> kinds, to the extent possible. We are failing for not working toward
> these kind of things effectively enough.
>
> sdw
>
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