comprehending the heart's nationalism

juan juan.g71 at gmail.com
Thu Jun 30 13:10:39 PDT 2016


On Thu, 30 Jun 2016 12:33:22 -0700
"Stephen D. Williams" <sdw at lig.net> wrote:


>  In the unlikely
> event that we elect Trump, 

	He is unlikely to be elected because he's marginally better
	than that murderours cunt, your boss hitlery.



> The US is too
> open and too self-examining in public for much false propaganda to
> get very far for long.

	Of course. The only propaganda that the US tolerates is 'true'
	propaganda.


> 
> I'm not sure that American Sniper is propaganda,

	Of course not. It's not propaganda! It's jew-kristian art.


> The US almost completely holds back on propaganda 

	Right. The US psycho-leaders and all their sheep don't even know
	what 'propaganda' means. They've never seen any, let alone
	produced it. 


> However, when hardly
> anyone in Afghanistan knows anything at all about 9/11 or similar,


	That's interesting. So you know exactly what the population of
	afghanistan (let's assume 25 million) knows? 

	How did you manage that one? You must have a high ranking
	position in the americunt 'national security' 'industry' eh.
	And you speak a few varieties of persian I assume? 



> that is a failure of the world to provide even basic knowledge to
> everyone.  

	And now you sound flatly crazy. The 'world' is supposed to
	provide knowledge? What, you think "world" means "fascist
	public indoctrination system"? 

	At any rate, I'd bet a couple of cents that people in
	afhanistan know about your 9/11 false flag attack.




> it would seem like an important strategy for both US State and
> Defense, but I don't see it happening much.


	So we have a piece of neocunt shit making world domination
	plans in the cpunks mailing list. How cute is that?

	Anyway, enough time wasted. 



> 
> The US has no need to try to make people like it; that should not
> generally be a goal.  But the world, especially including the capable
> Western world, both governments and populations, has a responsibility
> to educate those with abject ignorance, poverty, and knowing nothing
> but conflict that there are better ways of being, limitless
> opportunities, and that they could effectively work to modernize and
> become effective societies and cultures.  We need something similar
> to 'genocide' to identify pathological ignorance, recognize that it
> leads to the ruin of many lives, and determine how to take action to
> stop it.  There is no need for each culture to be exactly like the
> West or a particular form of government, but they should understand
> the options, understand how things can work effectively and why, and
> be able to incorporate elements in a local way to eventually make it
> work.  We need to decide how hands off we should be in allowing large
> areas to fumble about without making progress and even regress.  The
> prime directive should only apply to societies that are functioning
> to a reasonable degree.
> 
> An interesting question is whether and how poisoned thinking, i.e.
> bad memes, are shared, instilled, and propagated to eventually create
> terrorists and criminals:  What should we do to prevent spreading
> poisonous ideas?  Should we be rooting out bad imams, literature,
> religious leaders?  Ideally, our values and culture is an effective
> answer to these sources, but, just like in the biological world,
> eventually a successful defense will occur.  If you've read The
> Selfish Gene, you know that truth, rightness, or goodness are not the
> goals of particular genes or memes (ideas).  The only thing that
> determines success is successful competition and replication.  Our
> Western ideas can successfully compete and replicate against these
> bad meme sets, but only if they are present.  We seem to be in a
> situation where some of our allies are supporting the teaching of
> memes that are directly opposed to modern knowledge, including social
> and political knowledge.  What should we do about that?
> 
> All of this is crosscutting to security, encryption, communication,
> publishing, and surveillance.  Distrust is healthy, and sometimes
> prudent.  And, if we fail totally as a modern society, we may need it
> to maintain a modern underground in our new dark ages.  In addition
> to safe commerce and social connection, and balancing government and
> keeping it healthy, we should even better organize and extend the
> ways that we help enlighten the ignorant while combating meme cancer.
> 
> I imagine that soon we'll have universally available Internet (LEOs
> for instance), ultra-inexpensive devices (smart phones are down to
> $50 or less now), and organized, complete, and effective educational
> material that is somehow available, safe, and effective for
> everyone.  There should be some kind of support systems of various
> kinds, to the extent possible.  We are failing for not working toward
> these kind of things effectively enough.
> 
> sdw
> 




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