Allegedly Volkswagen cheated to both governments and lusers

Cathal (Phone) cathalgarvey at
Mon Sep 28 04:00:52 PDT 2015

I gather it was discovered when a trade association was setting out to show off how awesome and clean modern diesels were, and did their own tests on actual road driving unlike the EPA. They discovered how shit the pollution really was and decided to report it.

Which, if that's accurate, really reaffirms my faith in some of humanity, because it was actively against their interests to do so?

On 28 September 2015 11:41:37 IST, Georgi Guninski <guninski at> wrote:
>On Sun, Sep 27, 2015 at 05:44:00PM +0000, jim bell wrote:
>> I noticed that (at least!) one media report portrayed this as making
>VW's less "green".  But from another report, I saw that they had 10%
>greater gas mileage if they were allowed to cheat.  (In other words,
>less CO2 emissions per mile.)  Now, the above quote refers to "huge
>amounts" of NOx.  (nitrogen oxides, probably NO and NO2).  The question
>is, for those people who complain about CO2 being a greenhouse gas,
>what is the relative undesireability of extra CO2 versus extra NOx.
> Relative harm, and all that.  Which is a concept that people who call
>themselves "environmentalists" seem to have a great deal of difficulty
>> This also raises an idea:  I've never heard of this, but what would
>be wrong with allowing differences in emissions based on location?
> Putting a GPS in a car is trivial today.  Producing less NOx inside a
>city would make sense; producing less NOx while on a cross-country
>road-trip less so.                    Jim Bell
>I don't understand chemistry.
>Something in this scandal stinks to me.
>How did this was unnoticed for about 6? years?
>Especially when the diesel consumption on the road
>is visibly less than in a test environment?
>As suggested in news, likely competitors reversed 
>engineered the cars to see how VW managed to do this.

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