[cryptome] Re: [cryptome]

Michael Best themikebest at gmail.com
Fri Oct 9 19:31:22 PDT 2015 

>
> If that's true, JYA was being either unimaginably stupid, or
> unimaginably weird. Still, there was no need to publish the logs just to
> make a point. Redacted excerpts and hashes of the files would have been
> enough, no?


True and documented, and as I said in my last email - I DID REDACT THEM.
John *still* denied they were real and accused me of faking them.

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>    2. Re: [cryptome] Re: [cryptome] (Shelley)
>    3. Re: [cryptome] Re: [cryptome] Yay: [cryptome] (coderman)
>    4. Re: [cryptome] Cryptome has been leaking its user logs for
>       over a year (Mirimir)
>    5. Re: [cryptome] Re: [cryptome] (Mirimir)
>    6. [cryptome] Re: [cryptome] (Michael Best)
>    7. Re: [cryptome] Re: [cryptome] (Shelley)
>    8. Re: [cryptome] Re: [cryptome] (Mirimir)
>    9. Re: [cryptome] Re: [cryptome] (Michael Best)
>   10. Re: [cryptome] Re: [cryptome] (Mirimir)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2015 16:28:42 -0700
> From: coderman <coderman at gmail.com>
> To: Michael Best <themikebest at gmail.com>
> Cc: cypherpunks at cpunks.org
> Subject: Re: [cryptome] Cryptome has been leaking its user logs for
>         over a year
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> On 10/9/15, coderman <coderman at gmail.com> wrote:
> > ...
> > 0eb8551d977dde4f4193b3a16dedcd18f01e854e371e96623d33dd5b9519e413
> USB-1.rar
>
>
> see attached.  then xref with Tor exit db :P
>
>
> best regards,
> -------------- next part --------------
> # USB-1/Disk
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2015 17:22:21 -0700
> From: Shelley <shelley at misanthropia.org>
> To: <cryptome at freelists.org>, cypherpunks <cypherpunks at cpunks.org>
> Subject: Re: [cryptome] Re: [cryptome]
> Message-ID: <20151010002205.4B848C00026 at frontend1.nyi.internal>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
>
> On October 9, 2015 4:51:44 PM Jeremy Compton <j.compton at outlook.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I am not surprised that GCHQ does what you claim it does.
> >
>
> Have you read about this from the beginning?  If so, you'd know that Mike
> Best is not the one claiming that the GCHQ slide is real.  He is trying to
> establish whether nearly anyone could have made the slide with the logs
> Cryptome leaked/distributed/whatever, unwittingly or otherwise.  That's
> all, and I don't know how a researcher trying to verify data has become a
> giant shitstorm.
>
> -S
>
> > Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2015 19:11:50 -0400
> > Subject: [cryptome]
> > From: themikebest at gmail.com
> > To: cryptome at freelists.org
> >
> > To the original point, the GCHQ Snowden slide. Cryptome accusing me of
> > faking the data was a diversion. Only had to verify it because of the
> GCHQ
> > slide.
> > From: Jeremy Compton <j.compton at xxxxxxxxxxx>To: "cryptome at xxxxxxxxxxxxx"
> > <cryptome at xxxxxxxxxxxxx>Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2015 12:00:48 +1300So, now you
> > have named and shamed Cryptome for this grievance you have, whereto
> > know?
> >
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2015 17:30:21 -0700
> From: coderman <coderman at gmail.com>
> To: shelley at misanthropia.org
> Cc: cypherpunks <cypherpunks at cpunks.org>, cryptome at freelists.org
> Subject: Re: [cryptome] Re: [cryptome] Yay: [cryptome]
> Message-ID:
>         <
> CAJVRA1T16mGyUwYP7etk2+pYn_hsfr+iajmg4zidims-66Am+A at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> On 10/9/15, Shelley <shelley at misanthropia.org> wrote:
> > ... I don't know how a researcher trying to verify data has become a
> > giant shitstorm.
>
> the precariousness of life is exactly why i savor such enjoyments,
>  such as this turd turbulence in the absurdist library...
>
> :P
>
>
> best regards,
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2015 18:58:39 -0600
> From: Mirimir <mirimir at riseup.net>
> To: cypherpunks at cpunks.org
> Subject: Re: [cryptome] Cryptome has been leaking its user logs for
>         over a year
> Message-ID: <561862BF.8020408 at riseup.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> On 10/09/2015 03:52 AM, rysiek wrote:
> > Dnia czwartek, 8 października 2015 20:45:50 Mirimir pisze:
> >> On 10/08/2015 07:42 PM, coderman wrote:
> >>> On 10/7/15, Michael Best <themikebest at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> Let me begin by saying that Cryptome initially denied the leak, then
> that
> >>>> the data was stolen, then that the whole thing was a fake "a lie by
> [a]
> >>>> spy-newbie."
> >>>
> >>> the lie is assuming these requests over plain-text were ever private :P
> >>
> >> That is the key point!
> >>
> >> And anyway, all traffic to all websites is public.
> >
> > Oh for fucks' sake. There are fuckers who do listen in and surveil, etc,
> but
> > it is *not* okay to make their work easier. And it is *not* okay to make
> one's
> > server logs broadly available in such a context.
>
> Look, Cryptome did fuck up. First, by keeping logs for more than a day
> or so, whatever necessary for debugging and responding to attacks.
> Second, by sending them to a third party. And third, by being so obtuse
> with that third party that he felt compelled to publish them.
>
> > Why the fuck are people on this list slamming Snowden and freedom.press
> for
> > using Cloudflare, and at the same time defending JYA for sending out
> server
> > logs with dates and IP addresses?
>
> You'll never catch me slamming Snowden or defending JYA ;) And I gotta
> say, Cloudflare starts looking good when your site is getting DOSed.
>
> > The hell is this bullshit?
>
> Bullshit, mostly ;)
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2015 19:10:34 -0600
> From: Mirimir <mirimir at riseup.net>
> To: cypherpunks at cpunks.org
> Subject: Re: [cryptome] Re: [cryptome]
> Message-ID: <5618658A.3070206 at riseup.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
>
> On 10/09/2015 06:22 PM, Shelley wrote:
> > On October 9, 2015 4:51:44 PM Jeremy Compton <j.compton at outlook.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> I am not surprised that GCHQ does what you claim it does.
> >>
> >
> > Have you read about this from the beginning?  If so, you'd know that
> > Mike Best is not the one claiming that the GCHQ slide is real.  He is
> > trying to establish whether nearly anyone could have made the slide with
> > the logs Cryptome leaked/distributed/whatever, unwittingly or
> > otherwise.  That's all, and I don't know how a researcher trying to
> > verify data has become a giant shitstorm.
>
> Maybe because Mike _published_ the fucking logs, just because JYA was
> doing the mirror shades thing about whether the archive was or was not
> genuine? I mean, JYA can be a very funny man. For sure. But does that
> justify publishing Cryptome access logs?
>
> > -S
> >
> >> Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2015 19:11:50 -0400
> >> Subject: [cryptome]
> >> From: themikebest at gmail.com
> >> To: cryptome at freelists.org
> >>
> >> To the original point, the GCHQ Snowden slide. Cryptome accusing me of
> >> faking the data was a diversion. Only had to verify it because of the
> >> GCHQ slide.
> >> From: Jeremy Compton <j.compton at xxxxxxxxxxx>To:
> >> "cryptome at xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <cryptome at xxxxxxxxxxxxx>Date: Sat, 10 Oct
> >> 2015 12:00:48 +1300So, now you have named and shamed Cryptome for this
> >> grievance you have, whereto
> >> know?
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2015 21:19:39 -0400
> From: Michael Best <themikebest at gmail.com>
> To: cypherpunks at cpunks.org, mirimir at riseup.net
> Subject: [cryptome] Re: [cryptome]
> Message-ID:
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>
> >
> > Maybe because Mike _published_ the fucking logs, just because JYA was
> > doing the mirror shades thing about whether the archive was or was not
> > genuine? I mean, JYA can be a very funny man. For sure. But does that
> > justify publishing Cryptome access logs?
>
>
> I published them to verify the data, *AFTER JYA publicly accused me of
> FAKING it.* I only raised the point of the logs because of the GCHQ slide.
> *If
> *John had verified it a week earlier, or not accused me of faking data
> (with ZERO evidence, and the data turns out to be legit) *they never
> would've been published. *
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> Message: 7
> Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2015 18:21:55 -0700
> From: Shelley <shelley at misanthropia.org>
> To: Mirimir <mirimir at riseup.net>, <cypherpunks at cpunks.org>
> Subject: Re: [cryptome] Re: [cryptome]
> Message-ID: <20151010012138.EFC3BC00013 at frontend1.nyi.internal>
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> On October 9, 2015 6:16:10 PM Mirimir <mirimir at riseup.net> wrote:
>
>  > Maybe because Mike _published_ the fucking logs, just because JYA was
> > doing the mirror shades thing about whether the archive was or was not
> > genuine? I mean, JYA can be a very funny man. For sure. But does that
> > justify publishing Cryptome access logs?
> >
>
> When the logs have been distributed by Cryptome via USB and torrents as
> part of the archive for over a year?  Yeah, it's fair game.
>
> Note that he removed those files once JY finally gave an explanation.
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2015 20:15:01 -0600
> From: Mirimir <mirimir at riseup.net>
> To: Michael Best <themikebest at gmail.com>, cypherpunks at cpunks.org
> Subject: Re: [cryptome] Re: [cryptome]
> Message-ID: <561874A5.3060704 at riseup.net>
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>
> On 10/09/2015 07:19 PM, Michael Best wrote:
> >>
> >> Maybe because Mike _published_ the fucking logs, just because JYA was
> >> doing the mirror shades thing about whether the archive was or was not
> >> genuine? I mean, JYA can be a very funny man. For sure. But does that
> >> justify publishing Cryptome access logs?
> >
> >
> > I published them to verify the data, *AFTER JYA publicly accused me of
> > FAKING it.* I only raised the point of the logs because of the GCHQ
> slide. *If
> > *John had verified it a week earlier, or not accused me of faking data
> > (with ZERO evidence, and the data turns out to be legit) *they never
> > would've been published. *
>
> Publishing them was still unwarranted. You could have published a
> redacted version. You could have polled this list, and verified selected
> lines. Whatever. Yes, JYA was being a jerk. But still ...
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2015 22:21:11 -0400
> From: Michael Best <themikebest at gmail.com>
> To: cypherpunks at cpunks.org
> Subject: Re: [cryptome] Re: [cryptome]
> Message-ID:
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> >
> > Publishing them was still unwarranted. You could have published a
> > redacted version. You could have polled this list, and verified selected
> > lines. Whatever. Yes, JYA was being a jerk. But still ...
>
> *Umm, I *did* post a redacted version first.* JYA said it was faked
> and refused to verify it until days after it had been published in its
> entirety. I even told him before hand that if he didn't verify it, I'd
> have to post it. He still called it disinfo and fake until well after
> it'd been released and confirmed as the files being un multiple
> releases, including an old torrent.
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 10:15 PM, Mirimir <mirimir at riseup.net> wrote:
>
> > On 10/09/2015 07:19 PM, Michael Best wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Maybe because Mike _published_ the fucking logs, just because JYA was
> > >> doing the mirror shades thing about whether the archive was or was not
> > >> genuine? I mean, JYA can be a very funny man. For sure. But does that
> > >> justify publishing Cryptome access logs?
> > >
> > >
> > > I published them to verify the data, *AFTER JYA publicly accused me of
> > > FAKING it.* I only raised the point of the logs because of the GCHQ
> > slide. *If
> > > *John had verified it a week earlier, or not accused me of faking data
> > > (with ZERO evidence, and the data turns out to be legit) *they never
> > > would've been published. *
> >
> > Publishing them was still unwarranted. You could have published a
> > redacted version. You could have polled this list, and verified selected
> > lines. Whatever. Yes, JYA was being a jerk. But still ...
> >
> >
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> Message: 10
> Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2015 20:24:59 -0600
> From: Mirimir <mirimir at riseup.net>
> To: cypherpunks at cpunks.org
> Subject: Re: [cryptome] Re: [cryptome]
> Message-ID: <561876FB.7080302 at riseup.net>
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> On 10/09/2015 07:21 PM, Shelley wrote:
> > On October 9, 2015 6:16:10 PM Mirimir <mirimir at riseup.net> wrote:
> >
> >> Maybe because Mike _published_ the fucking logs, just because JYA was
> >> doing the mirror shades thing about whether the archive was or was not
> >> genuine? I mean, JYA can be a very funny man. For sure. But does that
> >> justify publishing Cryptome access logs?
> >>
> >
> > When the logs have been distributed by Cryptome via USB and torrents as
> > part of the archive for over a year?  Yeah, it's fair game.
>
> If that's true, JYA was being either unimaginably stupid, or
> unimaginably weird. Still, there was no need to publish the logs just to
> make a point. Redacted excerpts and hashes of the files would have been
> enough, no?
>
> > Note that he removed those files once JY finally gave an explanation.
>
> True. But publishing them was still unwarranted.
>
>
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