If that's true, JYA was being either unimaginably stupid, or unimaginably weird. Still, there was no need to publish the logs just to make a point. Redacted excerpts and hashes of the files would have been enough, no? True and documented, and as I said in my last email - I DID REDACT THEM. John still denied they were real and accused me of faking them. On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 10:25 PM, <[1]cypherpunks-request@cpunks.org> wrote: Send cypherpunks mailing list submissions to [2]cypherpunks@cpunks.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit [3]https://cpunks.org/mailman/listinfo/cypherpunks or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [4]cypherpunks-request@cpunks.org You can reach the person managing the list at [5]cypherpunks-owner@cpunks.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of cypherpunks digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: [cryptome] Cryptome has been leaking its user logs for over a year (coderman) 2. Re: [cryptome] Re: [cryptome] (Shelley) 3. Re: [cryptome] Re: [cryptome] Yay: [cryptome] (coderman) 4. Re: [cryptome] Cryptome has been leaking its user logs for over a year (Mirimir) 5. Re: [cryptome] Re: [cryptome] (Mirimir) 6. [cryptome] Re: [cryptome] (Michael Best) 7. Re: [cryptome] Re: [cryptome] (Shelley) 8. Re: [cryptome] Re: [cryptome] (Mirimir) 9. Re: [cryptome] Re: [cryptome] (Michael Best) 10. Re: [cryptome] Re: [cryptome] (Mirimir) -------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2015 16:28:42 -0700 From: coderman <[6]coderman@gmail.com> To: Michael Best <[7]themikebest@gmail.com> Cc: [8]cypherpunks@cpunks.org Subject: Re: [cryptome] Cryptome has been leaking its user logs for over a year Message-ID: <[9]CAJVRA1RoJBTn4OaOXYKcHtyS7LwxGThpqMr5Tud4KwHUEPvFdw@mail.gmail.c om> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" On 10/9/15, coderman <[10]coderman@gmail.com> wrote: > ... > 0eb8551d977dde4f4193b3a16dedcd18f01e854e371e96623d33dd5b9519e413 USB-1.rar see attached. then xref with Tor exit db :P best regards, -------------- next part -------------- # USB-1/Disk 2/07-Cryptome-org-13-0702-cartome-directory/07-Cryptome-org-13-0702- cartome-directory/07-Cryptome-org-13-0702-cartome-directory/awstats e013b32176f9ebfb6a235de6929a38cd3b1ba3fd9546fa633a4380519577da34 ./.access.pwd 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beginning? If so, you'd know that Mike Best is not the one claiming that the GCHQ slide is real. He is trying to establish whether nearly anyone could have made the slide with the logs Cryptome leaked/distributed/whatever, unwittingly or otherwise. That's all, and I don't know how a researcher trying to verify data has become a giant shitstorm. -S > Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2015 19:11:50 -0400 > Subject: [cryptome] > From: [15]themikebest@gmail.com > To: [16]cryptome@freelists.org > > To the original point, the GCHQ Snowden slide. Cryptome accusing me of > faking the data was a diversion. Only had to verify it because of the GCHQ > slide. > From: Jeremy Compton To: "cryptome@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" > Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2015 12:00:48 +1300So, now you > have named and shamed Cryptome for this grievance you have, whereto > know? > ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2015 17:30:21 -0700 From: coderman <[17]coderman@gmail.com> To: [18]shelley@misanthropia.org Cc: cypherpunks <[19]cypherpunks@cpunks.org>, [20]cryptome@freelists.org Subject: Re: [cryptome] Re: [cryptome] Yay: [cryptome] Message-ID: <[21]CAJVRA1T16mGyUwYP7etk2+pYn_hsfr+iajmg4zidims-66Am+A@mail.gmail. com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On 10/9/15, Shelley <[22]shelley@misanthropia.org> wrote: > ... I don't know how a researcher trying to verify data has become a > giant shitstorm. the precariousness of life is exactly why i savor such enjoyments, such as this turd turbulence in the absurdist library... :P best regards, ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2015 18:58:39 -0600 From: Mirimir <[23]mirimir@riseup.net> To: [24]cypherpunks@cpunks.org Subject: Re: [cryptome] Cryptome has been leaking its user logs for over a year Message-ID: <[25]561862BF.8020408@riseup.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 On 10/09/2015 03:52 AM, rysiek wrote: > Dnia czwartek, 8 października 2015 20:45:50 Mirimir pisze: >> On 10/08/2015 07:42 PM, coderman wrote: >>> On 10/7/15, Michael Best <[26]themikebest@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> Let me begin by saying that Cryptome initially denied the leak, then that >>>> the data was stolen, then that the whole thing was a fake "a lie by [a] >>>> spy-newbie." >>> >>> the lie is assuming these requests over plain-text were ever private :P >> >> That is the key point! >> >> And anyway, all traffic to all websites is public. > > Oh for fucks' sake. There are fuckers who do listen in and surveil, etc, but > it is *not* okay to make their work easier. And it is *not* okay to make one's > server logs broadly available in such a context. Look, Cryptome did fuck up. First, by keeping logs for more than a day or so, whatever necessary for debugging and responding to attacks. Second, by sending them to a third party. And third, by being so obtuse with that third party that he felt compelled to publish them. > Why the fuck are people on this list slamming Snowden and freedom.press for > using Cloudflare, and at the same time defending JYA for sending out server > logs with dates and IP addresses? You'll never catch me slamming Snowden or defending JYA ;) And I gotta say, Cloudflare starts looking good when your site is getting DOSed. > The hell is this bullshit? Bullshit, mostly ;) ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2015 19:10:34 -0600 From: Mirimir <[27]mirimir@riseup.net> To: [28]cypherpunks@cpunks.org Subject: Re: [cryptome] Re: [cryptome] Message-ID: <[29]5618658A.3070206@riseup.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 On 10/09/2015 06:22 PM, Shelley wrote: > On October 9, 2015 4:51:44 PM Jeremy Compton <[30]j.compton@outlook.com> wrote: > >> I am not surprised that GCHQ does what you claim it does. >> > > Have you read about this from the beginning? If so, you'd know that > Mike Best is not the one claiming that the GCHQ slide is real. He is > trying to establish whether nearly anyone could have made the slide with > the logs Cryptome leaked/distributed/whatever, unwittingly or > otherwise. That's all, and I don't know how a researcher trying to > verify data has become a giant shitstorm. Maybe because Mike _published_ the fucking logs, just because JYA was doing the mirror shades thing about whether the archive was or was not genuine? I mean, JYA can be a very funny man. For sure. But does that justify publishing Cryptome access logs? > -S > >> Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2015 19:11:50 -0400 >> Subject: [cryptome] >> From: [31]themikebest@gmail.com >> To: [32]cryptome@freelists.org >> >> To the original point, the GCHQ Snowden slide. Cryptome accusing me of >> faking the data was a diversion. Only had to verify it because of the >> GCHQ slide. >> From: Jeremy Compton To: >> "cryptome@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" Date: Sat, 10 Oct >> 2015 12:00:48 +1300So, now you have named and shamed Cryptome for this >> grievance you have, whereto >> know? >> > > > ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2015 21:19:39 -0400 From: Michael Best <[33]themikebest@gmail.com> To: [34]cypherpunks@cpunks.org, [35]mirimir@riseup.net Subject: [cryptome] Re: [cryptome] Message-ID: <[36]CANFTA0-qPf1VhateDGgbWRuxTrua4H7fqVXJVGsg+Upx-WwfGw@mail.gmail. com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Maybe because Mike _published_ the fucking logs, just because JYA was > doing the mirror shades thing about whether the archive was or was not > genuine? I mean, JYA can be a very funny man. For sure. But does that > justify publishing Cryptome access logs? I published them to verify the data, *AFTER JYA publicly accused me of FAKING it.* I only raised the point of the logs because of the GCHQ slide. *If *John had verified it a week earlier, or not accused me of faking data (with ZERO evidence, and the data turns out to be legit) *they never would've been published. * -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <[37]http://cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/attachments/20151009/35 41f896/attachment-0001.html> ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2015 18:21:55 -0700 From: Shelley <[38]shelley@misanthropia.org> To: Mirimir <[39]mirimir@riseup.net>, <[40]cypherpunks@cpunks.org> Subject: Re: [cryptome] Re: [cryptome] Message-ID: <20151010012138.EFC3BC00013@frontend1.nyi.internal> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed On October 9, 2015 6:16:10 PM Mirimir <[41]mirimir@riseup.net> wrote: > Maybe because Mike _published_ the fucking logs, just because JYA was > doing the mirror shades thing about whether the archive was or was not > genuine? I mean, JYA can be a very funny man. For sure. But does that > justify publishing Cryptome access logs? > When the logs have been distributed by Cryptome via USB and torrents as part of the archive for over a year? Yeah, it's fair game. Note that he removed those files once JY finally gave an explanation. ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2015 20:15:01 -0600 From: Mirimir <[42]mirimir@riseup.net> To: Michael Best <[43]themikebest@gmail.com>, [44]cypherpunks@cpunks.org Subject: Re: [cryptome] Re: [cryptome] Message-ID: <[45]561874A5.3060704@riseup.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 On 10/09/2015 07:19 PM, Michael Best wrote: >> >> Maybe because Mike _published_ the fucking logs, just because JYA was >> doing the mirror shades thing about whether the archive was or was not >> genuine? I mean, JYA can be a very funny man. For sure. But does that >> justify publishing Cryptome access logs? > > > I published them to verify the data, *AFTER JYA publicly accused me of > FAKING it.* I only raised the point of the logs because of the GCHQ slide. *If > *John had verified it a week earlier, or not accused me of faking data > (with ZERO evidence, and the data turns out to be legit) *they never > would've been published. * Publishing them was still unwarranted. You could have published a redacted version. You could have polled this list, and verified selected lines. Whatever. Yes, JYA was being a jerk. But still ... ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2015 22:21:11 -0400 From: Michael Best <[46]themikebest@gmail.com> To: [47]cypherpunks@cpunks.org Subject: Re: [cryptome] Re: [cryptome] Message-ID: <[48]CANFTA09zAMgyY2jv0LbR+auR+LaPGo764R1LX9Xxh2Fm8-_N7g@mail.gmail. com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Publishing them was still unwarranted. You could have published a > redacted version. You could have polled this list, and verified selected > lines. Whatever. Yes, JYA was being a jerk. But still ... *Umm, I *did* post a redacted version first.* JYA said it was faked and refused to verify it until days after it had been published in its entirety. I even told him before hand that if he didn't verify it, I'd have to post it. He still called it disinfo and fake until well after it'd been released and confirmed as the files being un multiple releases, including an old torrent. On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 10:15 PM, Mirimir <[49]mirimir@riseup.net> wrote: > On 10/09/2015 07:19 PM, Michael Best wrote: > >> > >> Maybe because Mike _published_ the fucking logs, just because JYA was > >> doing the mirror shades thing about whether the archive was or was not > >> genuine? I mean, JYA can be a very funny man. For sure. But does that > >> justify publishing Cryptome access logs? > > > > > > I published them to verify the data, *AFTER JYA publicly accused me of > > FAKING it.* I only raised the point of the logs because of the GCHQ > slide. *If > > *John had verified it a week earlier, or not accused me of faking data > > (with ZERO evidence, and the data turns out to be legit) *they never > > would've been published. * > > Publishing them was still unwarranted. You could have published a > redacted version. You could have polled this list, and verified selected > lines. Whatever. Yes, JYA was being a jerk. But still ... > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <[50]http://cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/attachments/20151009/ff 3fbdcf/attachment-0001.html> ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2015 20:24:59 -0600 From: Mirimir <[51]mirimir@riseup.net> To: [52]cypherpunks@cpunks.org Subject: Re: [cryptome] Re: [cryptome] Message-ID: <[53]561876FB.7080302@riseup.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 On 10/09/2015 07:21 PM, Shelley wrote: > On October 9, 2015 6:16:10 PM Mirimir <[54]mirimir@riseup.net> wrote: > >> Maybe because Mike _published_ the fucking logs, just because JYA was >> doing the mirror shades thing about whether the archive was or was not >> genuine? I mean, JYA can be a very funny man. For sure. But does that >> justify publishing Cryptome access logs? >> > > When the logs have been distributed by Cryptome via USB and torrents as > part of the archive for over a year? Yeah, it's fair game. If that's true, JYA was being either unimaginably stupid, or unimaginably weird. Still, there was no need to publish the logs just to make a point. Redacted excerpts and hashes of the files would have been enough, no? > Note that he removed those files once JY finally gave an explanation. True. 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