Choate Free Zone (I'm famous Ma!)

[Declan McCullagh]

Oh, nobody's forcing you at gunpoint to follow any rules; thus,
there's no coercion involved, just social norms. Contrary to what you
say, shunning can take place for simply refusing to go along: If
someone repeatedly violates norms, it's a perfectly reasonable
response.

As for whether OK to be shunned, if folks want to shun me, I support
their right to do so. But, not being all that Choatian, I doubt they
will.

-Declan



On Wed, Jan 10, 2001 at 11:33:29AM -0600, Jim Choate wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 10 Jan 2001, Declan McCullagh wrote:
> 
> > If I were to take Choate seriously, I'd point out that most of us,
> > when we talk about "crypto anarchy" (which is a chapter by itself in
> > Crypto), are not talking about lack of rules. In fact, anarchy can
> > include many rules: protocols, standards, and social routines. Instead,
> > we're talking about lack of *government* rules instituted by force.
> 
> I never said there weren't rules. Anarchy means no central authority, no
> 'arch'. The distinction you gloss is that the rules and protocols are
> TOTALLY VOLUNTARY. The decision to comply is left at the discretion of the
> individual. Some do, some don't.
> 
> > But all of us know better than to take Choate seriously. So we can do
> > what's appropriate in an anarchy, and simply ignore him. Shunning,
> > after all, is more than appropriate: When it comes to loons, it's
> > even necessary.
> 
> Just another example of 'freedom for me but not for thee'. You feel it's
> ok to shun, but not ok to be shuned. What a hypocrite.
> 
> In ANY sort of anarchy the act of shunning must be for something more than
> simply refusing to go along.
> 
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