CDR: Re: And you thought Nazi agitprop was controversial?

[!Dr. Joe Baptista]

People don't seem to understand what free speech is all about.  You might
be interested in knowing Jodi that Hitlers Germany had one of the most
progressive free speech policies in the world.  You could say whatever you
wanted to say, provided it was authorized by the state.

I don't support free speech because it's the fashionable thing to
do.  Free speech is the basic right of all.  The content of that right is
irrelevant.

Now - you spending alot of time on the sex angle here.  I don't think you
understand what freedom of speech means.  If I were to tell you that I had
personal knowledge of the rape by canadian politicians and senior
bureacrats of young boys from fort lauderdale during the 60, 70, 80's -
and that these rapes and further investigation of those who abuse these
children is being intentionally suppressed by senior police officers and
law officers in Canada - how would you react to this?

Now here's the kicker.  I have all of that knowledge and I am prevented by
court order from exposing any of these people.  You can thank Judge
William Browne of the Ontario Court for that.

It's people like you who are willing to deny others rights who end up
taking away my rights to expose these political child molesters.

Would you like to follow up with the investigating officer in fort
lauderdale and verify this?  You talk a big talk Jodi - now do you have
the passion to walk the walk and help these former kids.  Just let me know
and I will phone someone who will forward you a URL.  We don't want to
break our court order you understand ;-)

regards
Joe Baptista

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On Thu, 14 Sep 2000, Jodi Hoffman wrote:

> You are wrong to protect them without knowing what they're about, Jay.  
> Their motto is, "Sex before eight, or it's too late."  They are 
> referring to grown men having sex with an under-eight year old little 
> boy.  Surely you don't mean to suggest that a website promoting 
> intercourse with a little boy should be protected speech, do you?
> 
> Jay Holovacs wrote:
> > 
> > You miss the point...  I have never read their site, I do not intend to.
> > That is immaterial.
> > 
> > I am addressing the other issue, that your crowd too is protected by free
> > speech rights even though there are plenty who would like to hold you
> > responsible for crime against gays and abortion providers.
> > 
> > jay
> > 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Jodi Hoffman <jlhoffm at attglobal.net>
> > To: Jay Holovacs <holovacs at idt.net>
> > Cc: Lizard <lizard at mrlizard.com>; Declan McCullagh <declan at well.com>;
> > <fight-censorship at vorlon.mit.edu>; <cypherpunks at cyberpass.net>
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 11:45 AM
> > Subject: Re: And you thought Nazi agitprop was controversial?
> > 
> > > Jay Holovacs wrote:
> > > >
> > > > You really don't seem to get it, defending the right to speech is NOT
> > the
> > > > same as defending the content (though I understand that nowhere do they
> > > > advocate violence to children)
> > >
> > >
> > > Oh, please.  Anal sex with an eight year old child is not violent?
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Remember, Jodi, the *same* law that should be protecting their speech
> > > > protects you and your allies from being prosecuted each time a gay is
> > > > murdered or an abortion clinic bombed.
> > > >
> > > > jay
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Jodi Hoffman <jlhoffm at attglobal.net>
> > > > To: Lizard <lizard at mrlizard.com>
> > > > Cc: Declan McCullagh <declan at well.com>;
> > <fight-censorship at vorlon.mit.edu>;
> > > > <cypherpunks at cyberpass.net>
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 10:56 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: And you thought Nazi agitprop was controversial?
> > > > >
> > > > > Ah, the Lizard slinks to the support of child rapists and
> > > > > murderers.  Don't sacrifice my child on the altar of the First
> > > > > Amendment, Liz.  I'm sure if it were your son, you would feel
> > > > > differently.
> > >
> > > --
> > > "He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself
> > > the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy
> > > R.A.M.P.-Restore America's Moral Pride
> > >
> > > Jodi Hoffman   R.A.M.P.  http://www.gocin.com/ramp
> > > Victimization of Children/Research & Education Council of America
> > > 2805 E. OAKLAND PARK BLVD., SUITE 122  FORT LAUDERDALE, FLORIDA 33306
> > > TELEPHONE (954) 567-0698  TeleFax (954) 630-2280
> > >
> 
> -- 
> "He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself
> the accomplice of liars and forgers." - Charles Peguy
> R.A.M.P.-Restore America’s Moral Pride
> 
> Jodi Hoffman   R.A.M.P.  http://www.gocin.com/ramp    
> Victimization of Children/Research & Education Council of America
> 2805 E. OAKLAND PARK BLVD., SUITE 122  FORT LAUDERDALE, FLORIDA 33306
> TELEPHONE (954) 567-0698  TeleFax (954) 630-2280
>