[CCGT] RE: [gfsg] Fwd: Community Council Agenda items - April 5 Meeting

Satoshi Matsuoka matsu at is.titech.ac.jp
Fri Apr 29 15:53:57 CDT 2005 

Charlie,

I think it was approved. If we are operating under an older model then
it is either Dennis's or my duty to inform you. But since we are
operating in an interum model where the scheduling decisions are being
made by the organizers (Jule) and the decision is collective amongst the
community council, where we seem to have unanimous agreement, I judge it
is safe to assume that the workshop is officially approved and you are
ready to proceed. 

						Satoshi (M)


On Thu, 28 Apr 2005 11:45:10 -0500
Charlie Catlett <catlett at mcs.anl.gov> wrote:

catlett> Well, it's interesting for me to approach GGF from outside of the 
catlett> walls of power.  :-)  As I'm the one who approved all of the 
catlett> gauntlets and triplicate forms I certainly have no one else to blame!
catlett> 
catlett> I need to get an answer on this more or less immediately, however, so 
catlett> can I get an official yes or no this week?  I'm assuming since Julie 
catlett> contacted me about scheduling that we are going to get our visa 
catlett> approved.
catlett> 
catlett> I spoke with Peter Arzberger (leads the PRAGMA group) and asked him 
catlett> to recruit 1 or 2 Asian co-chairs for the workshop - he will be 
catlett> pouring over the background information while on his flight to 
catlett> Singapore tonight for the PRAGMA meeting there.
catlett> 
catlett> Next Monday I will hop on a plane to London, where I'll see Tony Hey 
catlett> on Tuesday and Wednesday at the GridToday industry summit.  I 
catlett> mentioned this workshop to him in early April and he was interested, 
catlett> so I am hoping next week to get an eScience person to help co-chair.
catlett> 
catlett> But my local co-chairs (Nancy WIlkins-Diehr from SDSC and Sebastien 
catlett> Goasguen from Purdue are doing the real work, though the list 
catlett> includes myself, Dennis and Ian Foster) are getting nervous about 
catlett> running out of time to organize and advertise.
catlett> 
catlett> This last point is important, because the workshop really is being 
catlett> proposed to address GGF's community aspirations - to get more folks 
catlett> involved who would not normally already be coming to GGF.
catlett> 
catlett> Thanks-
catlett> CeC
catlett> 
catlett> 
catlett> At 9:48 PM +0100 4/25/05, Malcolm Atkinson wrote:
catlett> >Sorry Charlie to have been so demanding - that all looks great to me.  I
catlett> >never doubted that it would be.  I partly posed the questions to see if
catlett> >the old GROC criteria (which I had used in my judgements) were still the
catlett> >ones GFSG would support.
catlett> >
catlett> >Malcolm
catlett> >
catlett> >
catlett> >  >-----Original Message-----
catlett> >  >From: Charlie Catlett [mailto:catlett at mcs.anl.gov]
catlett> >  >Sent: 18 April 2005 16:27
catlett> >  >To: matsu at is.titech.ac.jp; Malcolm Atkinson
catlett> >  >Cc: ccgt at ggf.org
catlett> >  >Subject: Re: [gfsg] Fwd: Community Council Agenda items -
catlett> >  >April 5 Meeting
catlett> >  >
catlett> >  >>
catlett> >  >>mpa> I read all three workshop proposals.
catlett> >  >>mpa> The questions look like the old GROC ones, and I notice
catlett> >  >that Charlie
catlett> >  >>mpa> didn't answer them and that the health grid only
catlett> >  >answered some of them.
catlett> >  >
catlett> >  >Ah, sorry I didn't run the GROC approval gauntlet correctly - we
catlett> >  >spend several hours in Seoul talking about how to get additional
catlett> >  >communities engaged in GGF and this was in direct response to that
catlett> >  >GFSG discussion.  I did not realize I still needed to fill out the
catlett> >  >GROC forms in triplicate.   :-)
catlett> >  >
catlett> >  >Appended is my response to Malcolm's two (not focused on one group;
catlett> >  >publication).  Here is my official GROC application form:
catlett> >  >
catlett> >  >A)     Workshop Title
catlett> >  >
catlett> >  >Science Gateways:  Exploring Common Interfaces, Policies and
catlett> >  >Interactions between Grid Resources and Science Communities
catlett> >  >
catlett> >  >B)     Proposed workshop organizer names and affiliations (possibly
catlett> >  >incl. review committee for type 2). Be sure to identify yourself if
catlett> >  >you are a chair of an existing RG/WG.
catlett> >  >
catlett> >  >Catlett (UC/ANL), Gannon (IU), Foster (UC/ANL), Wilkins-Diehr (UCSD),
catlett> >  >Goasguen (Purdue)
catlett> >  >Have requested contacts from Tony Hey and Satoshi Matsuoka for people
catlett> >  >doing similar work elsewhere to help organize.
catlett> >  >
catlett> >  >C)     RG/WG that will be involved (including potential RG/WGs as
catlett> >  >well as RG/WGs up for approval). If you are proposing a workshop
catlett> >  >without being a full RG, please provide a separate RG submission
catlett> >  >info, including candidate RG name, charter, area, chairs, BOF
catlett> >  >descriptions, etc.
catlett> >  >
catlett> >  >This workshop does not involve a particular RG/WG - it is intended to
catlett> >  >bring in new communities.  However, we expect that some from the Life
catlett> >  >Sciences RG and GCE RG will participate.
catlett> >  >
catlett> >  >D)     Scope and Content (a paragraph or two of the workshop
catlett> >  >description to be put on the program.
catlett> >  >
catlett> >  >Provided already
catlett> >  >
catlett> >  >E)      Potential speakers for type one (invited( and possibly two
catlett> >  >workshops. Any additional info are welcome including the title of the
catlett> >  >talk, their abstract, etc. In fact the proposed program may be put
catlett> >  >here.
catlett> >  >
catlett> >  >We will have 4-6 presentations from people who are building, or have
catlett> >  >built, science gateways (portals or application software that
catlett> >  >provides Grid resources to scientists).  Three will be from the
catlett> >  >TeraGrid project, three from other projects as we find them (we are
catlett> >  >actively seeking).
catlett> >  >
catlett> >  >There will be 4-6 presentations regarding key technology/policy
catlett> >  >issues such as authentication and authorization, web services
catlett> >  >implementation strategies, etc.
catlett> >  >
catlett> >  >F)      Past History of hosting a similar workshop inside or
catlett> >  >outside GGF.
catlett> >  >
catlett> >  >Catlett, Foster and Gannon have pretty good track record
catlett> >  >right there...
catlett> >  >
catlett> >  >G)     Duration of workshop - half day (2-3 slots incl. Breaks) or
catlett> >  >whole day (4-5 slots)
catlett> >  >
catlett> >  >Whole day
catlett> >  >
catlett> >  >H)     Estimated # of participants (if possible)
catlett> >  >
catlett> >  >Unsure - probably 100-150
catlett> >  >
catlett> >  >I)        Publication Plans --- please indicate if you have plan to
catlett> >  >publish the workshop result with a certain publisher. If left out we
catlett> >  >will assume that the workshop product will be a GGF Informational
catlett> >  >Document.
catlett> >  >
catlett> >  >GGF informational
catlett> >  >
catlett> >  >
catlett> >  >CeC
catlett> >  >
catlett> >  >>Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 22:50:08 -0500
catlett> >  >>To: matsu at is.titech.ac.jp, Charlie Catlett <catlett at mcs.anl.gov>,
catlett> >  >>Dennis Gannon <gannon at cs.indiana.edu>
catlett> >  >>From: Charlie Catlett <catlett at mcs.anl.gov>
catlett> >  >>Subject: Re: [CCGT] Science Gateways workshop background
catlett> >  >>Cc: matsu at is.titech.ac.jp, ccgt at ggf.org
catlett> >  >>Bcc:
catlett> >  >>X-Attachments:
catlett> >  >>
catlett> >  >>Hi-
catlett> >  >>The purpose of the workshop is to bring together folks who are
catlett> >  >>trying to bring Grid capabilities to a particular science community
catlett> >  >>(atmospheric scientists, chemists, bioinformatics folks, etc.), and
catlett> >  >>who are looking to use web services and/or web portals to do so.  I
catlett> >  >>am seeing these communities moving out ahead of GGF or the "grid"
catlett> >  >>experts or "portal" experts.  This is creating a danger that those
catlett> >  >>of us running Grids or Grid resources will have a chaotic situation
catlett> >  >>where our key commmunities will each want to set up an ad-hoc
catlett> >  >>interaction mode with us to serve their communities.  One will want
catlett> >  >>to use group accounts and another will want to install a custom
catlett> >  >>daemon on our machines.  Another will want to use web services and
catlett> >  >>another will want .NET.
catlett> >  >>
catlett> >  >>The draft I circulated was a first cut at understanding what 10
catlett> >  >>communities are trying to build, and all ten want to access Grid
catlett> >  >>resources in TeraGrid.  Some are also building their own Grids, and
catlett> >  >>all would like to also access Grid resources in the UK or Japan.
catlett> >  >>
catlett> >  >>The idea of this workshop is to bring these consumers together with
catlett> >  >>one another and with producers to see if there are some things we
catlett> >  >>might agree on that can be implemented to nudge them toward some
catlett> >  >>common solutions.  Now, some TeraGrid folks have made some headway
catlett> >  >>in looking at this and I would like to broaden that discussion to
catlett> >  >>others who are doing similar things (or should be). To this end I
catlett> >  >>asked Tony Hey last week to put me in touch with the right person or
catlett> >  >>persons from the UK, and would like similar contacts from Japan
catlett> >  >>(Satoshi please suggest) and elsewhere.
catlett> >  >>
catlett> >  >>I don't see this as a TeraGrid-centric activity - we don't need GGF
catlett> >  >>to do that.  We need GGF to help us broaden the effort by helping us
catlett> >  >>reach other communities.
catlett> >  >>
catlett> >  >>So I would expect to do a call for participation not to the producer
catlett> >  >>community (GCE-RG, GGF typical producer population, portal experts),
catlett> >  >>though it would be good for them to participate, but to the consumer
catlett> >  >>community.  I.e. those who don't really care that much about
catlett> >  >>standards or web services or grid technology other than that they
catlett> >  >>want to use them to serve their customers doing science.
catlett> >  >>
catlett> >  >>The draft I circulated would be used to structure the workshop, get
catlett> >  >>input from more consumer groups, get producer groups to talk about
catlett> >  >>how they are addressing these issues, and then update the document
catlett> >  >>as a GGF informational document.
catlett> >  >>
catlett> >  >>
catlett> >  >>CeC
catlett> >  >>
catlett> >  >>At 2:21 AM +0900 4/10/05, Satoshi Matsuoka wrote:
catlett> >  >>>Charlie, Dennis,
catlett> >  >>>
catlett> >  >>>I agree on its viability, but still Malcolm's concern that it be a
catlett> >  >>>TeraGrid-only centric event will have to be considered. Here is a
catlett> >  >>>(form) letter,
catlett> >  >>>and with proper fulfillment of the workshop template and widespread
catlett> >  >>>solicitation to key portal groups in EU as well as AP, hopefully the
catlett> >  >>>concern will be addressed.
catlett> >  >>>
catlett> >  >>>(form letter is attached below)
catlett> >  >>>							Satoshi
catlett> >  >>>
catlett> >  >>>----
catlett> >  >>>
catlett> >  >>>On Fri, 8 Apr 2005 15:52:37 -0500
catlett> >  >>>Charlie Catlett <catlett at mcs.anl.gov> wrote:
catlett> >  >>>
catlett> >  >>>catlett> Friends-
catlett> >  >>>catlett> Since the proposal I sent regarding this workshop
catlett> >  >mentioned a group
catlett> >  >>>catlett> in TeraGrid that was aiming to have a document
catlett> >  >drafted in March I
catlett> >  >>>catlett> wanted to send it to you.  It's very preliminary,
catlett> >  >but it shows that
catlett> >  >>>catlett> the group is serious and already getting work
catlett> >  >done.   I expect an
catlett> >  >>>catlett> iteration on this document within a few weeks
catlett> >  >since it was discussed
catlett> >  >>>catlett> in great detail during several sessions of the
catlett> >  >TeraGrid all-hands
catlett> >  >>>catlett> meeting earlier this week.  I think this workshop
catlett> >  >will be very
catlett> >  >>>catlett> important to the community.  My hope is that it will bring
catlett> >  >>>in some of
catlett> >  >>>catlett> the less-involved sectors of the community
catlett> >  >including people who are:
catlett> >  >>>catlett>
catlett> >  >>>catlett> - building portals for scientific communities
catlett> >  >>>catlett> - implementing web services on resources in
catlett> >  >operational grids
catlett> >  >>>catlett> - developing operational policies and mechanisms
catlett> >  >for varying degrees
catlett> >  >>>catlett> of authorization (from full access shell accounts
catlett> >  >to restricted
catlett> >  >>>catlett> service invocations) based on varying degrees of
catlett> >  >>>authentication (from
catlett> >  >>>catlett> highly trusted authentication to anonymous access)
catlett> >  >>>catlett> - trying to make multiple grids work together, etc.
catlett> >  >>>catlett>
catlett> >  >>>catlett> CeC
catlett> >  >>>
catlett> >  >>>-----
catlett> >  >>>
catlett> >  >>>Charlie, Dennis,
catlett> >  >>>
catlett> >  >>>Thanks for yoru workshop proposal for the workshop proposal
catlett> >  >>>"Science Gateways Portals Workshop".
catlett> >  >>>
catlett> >  >>>I am sending this email as the current GROC co-chair and
catlett> >  >also on behalf
catlett> >  >>>of the newly proposed community council.
catlett> >  >>>
catlett> >  >>>As a part of transitional activity of GGF governance to
catlett> >  >strengthen the
catlett> >  >>>community activities, the GFSG and the proposed community council
catlett> >  >>>therein will be taking active responsibility in workshop
catlett> >  >oversight. In
catlett> >  >>>the light of this we have decided to provide active dialogs to the
catlett> >  >>>workshop organizers to help strengthen the organizational process as
catlett> >  >>>well as its exterior outreach.
catlett> >  >>>
catlett> >  >>>Please re-distribute this email to other organizers as well
catlett> >  >as anybody
catlett> >  >>>else involved in your workshop organization.
catlett> >  >>>
catlett> >  >>>Since time is short till GGF14, I am accelerating the
catlett> >  >process by sending
catlett> >  >>>you comment(s) already made. As you see, although you have solid
catlett> >  >>>backings, and the workshop is accepted in principle,
catlett> >  >nevertheless as you
catlett> >  >>>see the comments below indicate that there is room for
catlett> >  >improvement in
catlett> >  >>>the proposal. I hope you could make the initial revisions
catlett> >  >by reflect the
catlett> >  >>>comments as you see fit, and send to the (proposed)
catlett> >  >community council
catlett> >  >>>the revised version in about a week's time (around April
catlett> >  >15th). In the
catlett> >  >>>meantime as additional comments come along, which will be
catlett> >  >forwarded to
catlett> >  >>>you if deemed helpful in the improvement, and if you make
catlett> >  >improvements
catlett> >  >>>as well, please let us know where you would like to do so.
catlett> >  >>>
catlett> >  >>>Also please note that the primary intention for this is that we will
catlett> >  >>>want to allow some of the workshop to be a
catlett> >  >>>academically viable and recognizable activity from not only
catlett> >  >within the
catlett> >  >>>Grid community but from other CS communities. Thus, we would like
catlett> >  >>>to push on external communication of the workshop, both in terms of
catlett> >  >>>the content as well as the viability of its organizational
catlett> >  >manners. It
catlett> >  >>>is NOT intended to increase bureacratic stronghold of GFSG and the
catlett> >  >>>community council therein over the research groups.
catlett> >  >>>
catlett> >  >>>To quote one community council member: "I am passionate
catlett> >  >about the high
catlett> >  >>>value of good workshops: they stimulate, they inform, they build
catlett> >  >>>communities, they cross-fertilise and they recognise the
catlett> >  >need for new
catlett> >  >>>lines of work.  Without workshops I think GGF would drift
catlett> >  >towards narrow
catlett> >  >>>technical nit-picking standards. The value of workshops is much
catlett> >  >>>diminished if the only effects are on those at the
catlett> >  >workshop.  Hence the
catlett> >  >>>demand for publication and publicity."
catlett> >  >>>
catlett> >  >>>I hope the new (proposed) community council can fruitfully
catlett> >  >work with the
catlett> >  >>>workshop organizers to fulfill such desires, to have you
catlett> >  >host a high-quality
catlett> >  >>>and a productive workshop. Looking forward to the
catlett> >  >>>revised proposal as well as the workshop itself. Thanks.
catlett> >  >>>
catlett> >  >>>					Best Regards,
catlett> >  >>>					Satoshi Matsuoka
catlett> >  >>>
catlett> >  >>>
catlett> >  >>>Comment 1:
catlett> >  >>>===
catlett> >  >>>The Science Portals workshop looks a good topic, and we can
catlett> >  >trust Dennis
catlett> >  >>>and Charlie will run an excellent workshop.  However, we
catlett> >  >need to take
catlett> >  >>>care that it doesn't become TeraGrid centred or US centred.
catlett> >  > We should
catlett> >  >>>see others, from Asian grids and European grids engaged in
catlett> >  >planning /
catlett> >  >>>presenting IMHO.  I can find some, but the recent week on
catlett> >  >portals at eSI
catlett> >  >>>led by Jason Navotny has a good list of names
catlett> >  >>>(http://www.nesc.ac.uk/action/esi/contribution.cfm?Title=549),
catlett> >  >>>particularly UK ones.
catlett> >  >>>
catlett> >  >>>I would also suggest Roberto Barbera from Catania, bringing
catlett> >  >experience
catlett> >  >>>on EGEE's use of the GENIUS portal Roberto Barbera
catlett> >  >>><roberto.barbera at ct.infn.it> https://genius.ct.infn.it/. 
catlett> >  >We have used
catlett> >  >>>it extensively for traiining and (with GILDA) for new user community
catlett> >  >>>induction.
catlett> >  >>>
catlett> >  >>>What is the planned model of communication?  What should it
catlett> >  >not clash
catlett> >  >>>with? ...
catlett> >  >>>
catlett> >  >>>I vote for accept, but push on broadening, getting
catlett> >  >questions answered
catlett> >  >>>and publication plan.
catlett> >  >>>===
catlett> >  >>>
catlett> >  >>>Comment 2 (general):
catlett> >  >>>===
catlett> >  >>>I think we might encourage more substantial publication
catlett> >  >such as journal
catlett> >  >>>special issues so as to give greater credit to (academic)
catlett> >  >participants
catlett> >  >>>However in general I think we should let each workshop make
catlett> >  >its choice as
catlett> >  >>>"external outreach, publication and publicity" which should exist in
catlett> >  >>>some fashion
catlett> >  >>>
catlett> >  >>>===
catlett> >  >>>
catlett> >  >>>Comment 3: (Satoshi)
catlett> >  >>>===
catlett> >  >>>There are several groups in AP working on "Science Gateway" Portals,
catlett> >  >>>including those in Japan and Korea, and those should be contacted.
catlett> >  >>>For example, AIST-GTRC has a PSE Builder effort, and
catlett> >  >NAREGI's WP3/6 are
catlett> >  >>>working on high-level portals interface. Korea's K* Grid has several
catlett> >  >>>efforts in those regard.
catlett> >  >>>
catlett> >  >>>Perhaps the best method is to do a call-out throught
catlett> >  >pragma, with help
catlett> >  >>>from Peter Artzburger @ San Diego. By all means it is
catlett> >  >important to make
catlett> >  >>>the intentions clear so that not all the Grid portals on
catlett> >  >earth will try
catlett> >  >>>to participate and ask for a time slot.
catlett> >  >>>
catlett> >  >>>---------
catlett> >  >
catlett> >  >
catlett> 

Satoshi Matsuoka,  Professor
Global Scientific Information and Computing Center 
 & Dept. of Mathematical and Computing Sciences
Tokyo Institute of Technology
Address: 2-12-1 Oo-okayama, Meguro-ku, Tokyo 152-8552 Japan
Tel&fax: +81-3-5734-3876   E-mail: matsu at acm.org, matsu at is.titech.ac.jp

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