[CCGT] [Thilo Kielmann <kielmann at cs.vu.nl>]
Julie Wulf-Knoerzer
wulf at ggf.org
Fri Apr 8 13:27:55 CDT 2005
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>Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 19:34:01 +0000
>From: Thilo Kielmann <kielmann at cs.vu.nl>
>To: Satoshi Matsuoka <matsu at is.titech.ac.jp>
>Cc: Thilo Kielmann <kielmann at cs.vu.nl>, ccgt at ggf.org,
> "Thomas H. Hinke" <thinke at mail.arc.nasa.gov>,
> Laura McGinnis <lfm at psc.edu>,
> David Wallom <David.Wallom at bristol.ac.uk>
>Subject: Re: On your GGF14 workshop application
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>Satoshi,
>
>thanks a lot for your mail. I highly appreciate your feedback. It is
>the first time in our long workshop-making history that we get such
>feedback, and I find it absolutely constructive. (And: it also shows
>GFSG/GROC/CCGT's appreciation of our efforts.)
>
>My co-organizers and I will address the issues you mentioned and will
>get back to you soon.
>
>
>
>Regards,
>
>
>Thilo (still in Denver)
>
>On Fri, Apr 08, 2005 at 02:51:50PM +0900, Satoshi Matsuoka wrote:
> > X-Original-To: kielmann at localhost
> > Delivered-To: kielmann at localhost.cs.vu.nl
> > Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 14:51:50 +0900
> > From: Satoshi Matsuoka <matsu at is.titech.ac.jp>
> > To: Thilo Kielmann <kielmann at cs.vu.nl>
> > Subject: On your GGF14 workshop application
> > Cc: matsu at is.titech.ac.jp, ccgt at ggf.org
> >
> >
> > Thilo,
> >
> > Thanks for yoru workshop proposal for the workshop proposal
> > "Grid Applications: from Early Adopters to Mainstream Users".
> >
> > I am sending this email as the current GROC co-chair and also on behalf
> > of the newly proposed community council.
> >
> > As a part of transitional activity of GGF governance to strengthen the
> > community activities, the GFSG and the proposed community council
> > therein will be taking active responsibility in workshop oversight. In
> > the light of this we have decided to provide active dialogs to the
> > workshop organizers to help strengthen the organizational process as
> > well as its exterior outreach.
> >
> > Please re-distribute this email to other organizers as well as anybody
> > else involved in your workshop organization.
> >
> > Since time is short till GGF14, I am accelerating the process by sending
> > you comment(s) already made. As you see, although you have solid
> > backings, and the workshop is accepted in principle, nevertheless as you
> > see the comments below indicate that there is room for improvement in
> > the proposal. I hope you could make the initial revisions by reflect the
> > comments as you see fit, and send to the (proposed) community council
> > the revised version in about a week's time (around April 15th). In the
> > meantime as additional comments come along, which will be forwarded to
> > you if deemed helpful in the improvement, and if you make improvements
> > as well, please let us know where you would like to do so.
> >
> > Also please note that the primary intention for this is that we will
> > want to allow some of the workshop to be a
> > academically viable and recognizable activity from not only within the
> > Grid community but from other CS communities. Thus, we would like
> > to push on external communication of the workshop, both in terms of
> > the content as well as the viability of its organizational manners. It
> > is NOT intended to increase bureacratic stronghold of GFSG and the
> > community council therein over the research groups.
> >
> > To quote one community council member: "I am passionate about the high
> > value of good workshops: they stimulate, they inform, they build
> > communities, they cross-fertilise and they recognise the need for new
> > lines of work. Without workshops I think GGF would drift towards narrow
> > technical nit-picking standards. The value of workshops is much
> > diminished if the only effects are on those at the workshop. Hence the
> > demand for publication and publicity."
> >
> > I hope the new (proposed) community council can fruitfully work with the
> > workshop organizers to fulfill such desires, to have you host a
> high-quality
> > and a productive workshop. Looking forward to the
> > revised proposal as well as the workshop itself. Thanks.
> >
> > Best Regards,
> > Satoshi Matsuoka
> >
> >
> > Comment 1:
> > ===
> > The APPS-WG has run excellent workshops at past GGF. (However, in
> > comparison) this one does not
> > seem to be clearly described - it has a reasonable planned content I
> > think, but it isn't easy to read and understand - and the breadth of its
> > organiser / acceptance panel is not yet defined. I would back them on
> > their track record, but push them to edit and update the proposal.
> > ===
> >
> > Comment 2:
> > ===
> > The report from the last workshop held at GGF12, GGF13 etc. should be in
> > the works. At least there should be some "evidence" that such are being
> > worked upon.
> > ===
> >
> > Comment 3 (general):
> > ===
> > I think we might encourage more substantial publication such as journal
> > special issues so as to give greater credit to (academic) participants
> > However in general I think we should let each workshop make its choice as
> > "external outreach, publication and publicity" which should exist in
> > some fashion
> >
> > ===
> > Comment 4:
> > While the exact details of this
> > workshop proposal may not be complete, e.g., the candidates
> > for a program committee, the concept and goals for the
> > workshop are IMHO rather clear. Certainly in Thilo's case,
> > a long, written proposal with the 'i's dotted and 't's crossed
> > is less critical since he has an absolutely solid track record
> > for organizing GGF workshops.
> >
> > Nonetheless, we could emphasize some issues for the future
> > (but not necessarily just for this proposal):
> >
> > 1) Try to get the workshops organized as early as possible,
> > that is to say, get a draft or partial program committee put
> > together prior to making the proposal.
> >
> > 2) Maximize external visibility. Besides just the GGF-Info doc,
> > I'm sure that Thilo would be very receptive to the suggestion
> > of trying to organize a journal special issue from the workshop.
> > ===
> >
> > Comment 5: (Satoshi)
> >
> > Balancing the comments above with the rather short time available to
> > organize workshops for GGF14, Thilo should not be felt pressured to make
> > full journal publications for this workshop (of course if there is that
> > would be great). What we should also do is to make sure that, as
> > organization of the workshop gets more solidified (and probably rather
> > quickly), make sure that the GGF office and Thilo sync with each other
> frequently
> > so that anything about the workshop presense that has external
> > visibility (external calls, programs, publication plans etc.) will be
> > updated very quickly as refinements occur.
> >
> > ---------
> >
> >
> > A) Workshop Title
> >
> > Grid Applications: from Early Adopters to Mainstream Users
> >
> > We are intending a type two (refereed workshop)
> >
> >
> > B) Proposed workshop organizer names and affiliations (possibly
> incl. review committee for type 2). Be sure to identify yourself if you
> are a chair of an existing RG/WG.
> >
> > Thilo Kielmann, Vrije Universiteit, Co-Chair APPS-RG
> > Thomas Hinke, NASA AMES, Co-Chair APPS-RG
> > Laura McGinnis, PSC, Co-chair PGM-RG (to become PGS-RG)
> > David Wallom, Bristol Univ, designated Co-chair PGS-RG
> >
> > Full reviewing committee to be announced soon.
> >
> >
> > C) RG/WG that will be involved (including potential RG/WGs as well
> as RG/WGs up for approval). If you are proposing a workshop without being
> a full RG, please provide a separate RG submission info, including
> candidate RG name, charter, area, chairs, BOF descriptions, etc.
> >
> > APPS-RG
> > PGS-RG (currently PGM-RG)
> >
> >
> > D) Scope and Content (a paragraph or two of the workshop
> description to be put on the program.
> >
> > In this workshop, we aim at experience with bridging the gap between
> > early adopters of grids and the more mainstream use of grid technology.
> > Currently, for the most part grids are on the early adopter side of the
> > gap, asking for the move to the more mainstream users.
> > Here, applications are the key. We are seeking experience from early
> > adoptors who would like to become mainstream users, from mainstream
> > users who would like to use grids, from those who already do, and from
> > middleware developers and system operators in charge of
> > providing grid working environments to user communities.
> >
> > We are seeking contributions on the following topics:
> > - user experience with early-adoptor and/or mainstream grid applications
> > - management approaches for production-quality grid environments
> > - techniques for robust (fault tolerant) grid applications and middleware
> > - software tools for automatic testing and signaling of error conditions
> >
> > Our focus is on hands-on experience with existing grid environments,
> > focusing on bridging the gap between early adoption and production use.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > E) Potential speakers for type one (invited( and possibly two
> workshops. Any additional info are welcome including the title of the
> talk, their abstract, etc. In fact the proposed program may be put here.
> >
> > Potential speakers come from major grid projects, from grid user
> > communities, and from grid service operators.
> > We seek to enrich the program by an opening keynote presentation and a
> > final panel discussion.
> > A candidate for the keynote could be Steven Newhouse from OMII,
> > talking about his user survey among UK E-science users.
> >
> >
> > F) Past History of hosting a similar workshop inside or outside GGF.
> >
> > Prior to GGF5 in Glasgow:
> > NeSC Workshop on Applications and Testbeds on the Grid
> > organized by APPS-RG and GUS-RG (just prior to GGF5)
> >
> > At GGF7 in Tokyo: Applications workshop:
> > What can be achieved with today's Grid technology (and what cannot)?
> > organized by APPS-RG
> >
> > At GGF8 in Seattle:
> > Workshop on Grid Applications and Programming Tools
> > organized by APPS-RG and UPDT-RG
> > Workshop on Tools For Grid Management
> > organized by PGM-RG
> >
> > At GGF10 in Berlin:
> > Workshop on Case Studies on Grid Applications
> > organized by APPS-RG, UPDT-RG, GUS-RG, and PGM-RG
> >
> > At GGF11 in Honolulu:
> > Semantic Grid Applications Workshop
> > organized by APPS-RG and SEM-GRD
> > Management of Grid Services in Production Grids
> > organized by PGM-RG
> >
> > At GGF12 in Brussels:
> > Workshop on Grid Application Programming Interfaces
> > organized by APPS-RG with DRMAA-WG, GridRPC-WG, SAGA-RG
> >
> > At GGF13 in Soul:
> > The Usable Grid
> > organized by APPS-RG
> >
> >
> > G) Duration of workshop (half day (2-3 slots incl. Breaks) or whole
> day (4-5 slots)
> >
> > whole day
> >
> >
> > H) Estimated # of participants (if possible)
> >
> > 50-70
> >
> >
> > I) Publication Plans ---
> > please indicate if you have plan to publish the workshop result with a
> > certain publisher. If left out we will assume that the workshop product
> > will be a GGF Informational Document.
> >
> > We plan to publish a proceedings volume in form of a
> > GGF Informational Document.
> >
> > --------------------- Original Message Ends --------------------
> >
> >
> > Satoshi Matsuoka, Professor
> > Global Scientific Information and Computing Center
> > & Dept. of Mathematical and Computing Sciences
> > Tokyo Institute of Technology
> > Address: 2-12-1 Oo-okayama, Meguro-ku, Tokyo 152-8552 Japan
> > Tel&fax: +81-3-5734-3876 E-mail: matsu at acm.org, matsu at is.titech.ac.jp
>
>
>
>--
>Thilo Kielmann http://www.cs.vu.nl/~kielmann/
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