[caops-wg] Fwd: SAML representation in GGF

Sun Dec 11 10:34:26 CST 2005

I am in no way functioning as an organizer here, but would like to see  
all with an interest in standards-based development for attribute-based  
authorization as an OGSA component at the table.

Please see below for your opportunities to do so.  Please address  
comments to Hiro Kishimoto for the OGSA-WG and to Dane Skow and Olle  
Mulmo for the GGF Security area.  (Alternate or additional destinations  
for these messages are welcome.)  I think it is high time we engaged in  
positive communication on this issue.

With best wishes,
Alan

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Hiro Kishimoto <hiro.kishimoto at jp.fujitsu.com>
> Date: December 11, 2005 3:31:18 AM CST
> To: Alan Sill <Alan.Sill at ttu.edu>
> Cc: Von Welch <vwelch at NCSA.UIUC.EDU>, Chad La Joie  
> <lajoie at georgetown.edu>, Frank Siebenlist <franks at mcs.anl.gov>, Dane  
> Skow <dane at FNAL.GOV>, Mori <moritaku at bx.jp.nec.com>, David Chadwick  
> <d.w.chadwick at kent.ac.uk>, Tom Maguire <maguire_tom at emc.com>, Savva  
> Andreas <andreas.savva at jp.fujitsu.com>
> Subject: Re: SAML representation in GGF
>
> Hi Alan,
>
> Thank you very much for keeping the ball rolling.
>
> The latest proposed agenda for January OGSA-WG and the fellow WGs
> F2F meeting is attached. You can also find this document at the
> GridForge.
>
> https://forge.gridforum.org/projects/ogsa-wg/document/2006Jan-OGSA- 
> F2F-agenda/en/3
>
> I am organizing this week long F2F meeting. However, each session
> is owned by session owner. Actually, OGSA security session (including
> OGSA-AuthZ WG joint session) in the afternoon January 19th is expected
> to be prepared by OGSA-WG security design team (Frank and Takuya) and
> OGSA-AuthZ WG (Von, David, and Alan).
>
> Personally, I would like to join attribute-based authorization
> discussion as an future OGSA security architecture.
>
> Please draw up detailed session agenda for F2F meeting and review it
> at upcoming OGSA-WG and OGSA-AuthZ WG joint call on December 19.
>
> If you have any farther question on F2F meeting, please let me know.
>
> Thanks,
> ----
> Hiro Kishimoto
>
> Alan Sill wrote:
>> Hiro,
>> Can you let us know about further plans within the OGSA-WG for  
>> discussions?
>> (Apologies, this went out to the wrong address earlier.)
>> Thanks,
>> Alan
>> On Dec 8, 2005, at 12:00 PM, Chad La Joie wrote:
>>> For those that read my response to Alan, that's supposed to be caBIG  
>>> fell down, not GGF.  Sorry, wrong acronym popped off my stack.
>>>
>>> Alan Sill wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>  From my point of view as simply an AuthZ member with considerable  
>>>> involvement in these issues, everyone is welcome at the table and  
>>>> we need to have representatives from all of the important players  
>>>> (Shibboleth, LCG/EGEE VOBox, Open Science Grid Privilege Project,  
>>>> etc.) at the table as well as the SAML/XACML language people, in  
>>>> order to make progress.
>>>> One quick correction - the F2F will be in Sunnyvale in January, not  
>>>> in Sacramento - my typo and mistake.  How this will go forward in  
>>>> the Security area can be addressed by Dane.  Frank S. will be at  
>>>> the F2F in Sunnyvale (Hiroyuki, can you please supply details?); I  
>>>> am not sure if I will make it but will try to connect if possible  
>>>> by phone.  I am not the driver here, just trying to get all parties  
>>>> to the table and establish communication.  the AuthZ portion of  
>>>> this OGSA meeting will be relatively small, I think.
>>>> The meeting in Athens will be important, though, I believe.  I will  
>>>> not be able to be there either due to budget reasons.  One thing I  
>>>> will say is that one should not try to avoid controversy, but  
>>>> should be willing to approach things and overall the topic of  
>>>> attribute exchange for attribute-based authorization in the same  
>>>> spirit as has grown up around the CAOps process, i.e. to work in  
>>>> the direction of functional interoperability. In this spirit, your  
>>>> opinions I think are welcome.
>>>>  One thing that I think all participants can do before the next  
>>>> meetings would be to provide links to appropriate reading material.  
>>>>  This might not be as productive a suggestion as it might sound,  
>>>> because I don't want people to simply take the opportunity to  
>>>> reinforce their own non-interoperable positions, but is worth  
>>>> making anyway.  Dane, do you have a set of links to suggest?  Hiro,  
>>>> what will be the agenda item on the Dec. 19 OGSA meeting for this  
>>>> topic, if any?  (You had invited us back, but I'm not sure we will  
>>>> have anything further to include unless we can get engagement from  
>>>> the above parties in the first paragraph above.  Some contacts have  
>>>> been identified within OSG and now Shibboleth and GridShib.   
>>>> Suggestions on remaining parties especially wihtin LCG would be  
>>>> welcome.)
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Alan
>>>> On Dec 8, 2005, at 8:27 AM, Chad La Joie wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I think this goal is incredibly important, but I'll be up front  
>>>>> with you.  I've recently been vocal in certain forums that GGF has  
>>>>> fallen down in this area and that's upset some of the people that  
>>>>> would also probably be sitting at this table.  So, while I'd love  
>>>>> to be there, my presence might bother some.
>>>>>
>>>>> So, if that's not an issue you, count me in.  I'd LOVE to go to  
>>>>> Athens, but I strongly doubt that GU will fly me out there.   
>>>>> Sacramento [correction: Sunnyvale - ed.] would almost certainly be  
>>>>> doable.
>>>>>
>>>>> Alan Sill wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> My goal is to restart the AuthZ working group efforts on  
>>>>>> attribute-based authorization concentrating especially on the  
>>>>>> language needs (SAML 2, XACML 3) with an explicit connected goal  
>>>>>> of getting further down the road towards interoperability --  
>>>>>> e.g., eventually a pluggable architecture for standards-based  
>>>>>> interchange of attributes that will work for OSG, EGEE,  
>>>>>> Shibboleth users, etc.
>>>>>> An effort has been approved to hold a joint meeting on this topic  
>>>>>> at GGF16 in Athens.  We need as many people as possible at the  
>>>>>> table.  If you are interested, I can put you in touch with the  
>>>>>> organizers of that session.  We can also invite you to the next  
>>>>>> teleconference with the OGSA - WG, or the next face-to-face on  
>>>>>> this topic in Sacramento [correction: Sunnyvale - ed.] in  
>>>>>> January.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Chad La Joie             315Q St. Mary's Hall
>>> OIS-Middleware           202.687.0124
>>>
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