Action Item on [cads] Community Council Meeting Minutes
Thilo Kielmann
kielmann at cs.vu.nl
Wed May 24 08:08:21 CDT 2006
On Wed, May 24, 2006 at 08:58:04AM -0400, Alan Blatecky wrote:
> I don't think we should add infrastructure to the list....I think it is too
> broad; moreover, it would even supersede and significantly overlap with
> "Enterprise" and the business communities.
I agree. Furthermore, "infrastructure" sounds too much like "Teragrid" or
"EGEE" which would be about building infrastructure.
This would be the wrong name for what we are looking for.
In fact, we are looking for a nice name that says "research". This is what we
intend, to get a forum for academic grid folks in GGF. (After we have scared
away most of them.)
"research" itself might not be sufficciently sexy to use.
What about "technology"? (as in 'technology innovators' -- the term used
GGF internally for researchers?)
I suggest to use either
a) technology
b) science and technology
In fact I prefer b) even though it is 2.5 words.
Thilo
>
> Alan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-cads at ggf.org [mailto:owner-cads at ggf.org] On Behalf Of Geoffrey
> Fox
> Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 8:47 AM
> To: Catlett Charlie
> Cc: cads at ggf.org; 'Gwen Nichols-White'
> Subject: Re: Action Item on [cads] Community Council Meeting Minutes
>
> Lets add Infrastructure to list of candidates
>
> Catlett Charlie wrote:
> >>>> e-Science
> > name of a UK program, so too narrow
> >
> >>>> e-Research
> > best not to define yet another new term which does not help
> > communication (the point to choosing a word)
> >
> >>>> Cyberinfrastructure
> > understood broadly in the US, but has a US centrism to it so perhaps
> > too narrow
> >
> >>>> Science (in spirit of NSF which also does education and
> >>>> engineering)
> > ok, maybe, if we are going for one word*
> >
> >>>> Research
> > no*
> >
> >>>>
> >
> > * the trouble with one word is that it paints this group into an
> > academic-only corner. I am tempted to suggest "Infrastructure"
> > because this group in fact exists within a Grid-oriented organization
> > and thus there is no need to clarify that we are talking e- or cyber-
> > or grid.
> >
> > If we are infrastructure then we are not tied exclusively to science
> > (most companies, if they do any science, do very little), research
> > (despite similarities with corporate research, this paints an academic
> > club picture), or some particular made-up buzzword like e-Science or
> > cyberinfrastructure.
> >
> > CeC
> >
> > On May 23, 2006, at 7:54 PM, Geoffrey Fox wrote:
> >
> >> We are trying to find one word!
> >> The full title can (and at one time did) have Research and
> >> Development in it
> >>
> >> Robert Cohen wrote:
> >>> I would prefer something that sounds a bit less pure research or
> >>> Ivory Tower. Some of what will be covered could also
> >>> be done in a development environment or the research side of a
> >>> corporation. Also by dropping cyberinfrastructure the link to
> >>> infrastructure disappears.
> >>>
> >>> Bob
> >>>
> >>> Perhaps analytic or Alan Blatecky wrote:
> >>>> I vote for Science - exactly for the reason Geoffrey has mentioned.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Research isn't as broad, and is often set as opposed to education
> >>>> (hence Research and Education networks)
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> e-Science and e-Research are trendy, but already have baggage
> >>>> associated.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> I like cyberinfrastructure, but is too broad and covers a huge
> >>>> range of disciplines, tools, and so forth.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Alan
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: owner-cads at ggf.org [mailto:owner-cads at ggf.org] On Behalf Of
> >>>> Geoffrey Fox
> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 4:11 PM
> >>>> To: cads at ggf.org
> >>>> Cc: Gwen Nichols-White
> >>>> Subject: Action Item on [cads] Community Council Meeting Minutes
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> . Geoffrey Fox, by next Community call (6/6), to create a
> >>>> shortlist (qty 3) options for single-word name for the
> >>>> "Engineering, Science and Research" function, then socialize
> >>>> amongst the research community to ensure acceptance. Final
> >>>> decision will be made for functions and areas by the end of June.
> >>>>
> >>>> We need to find some single word names; here is a start
> >>>> Lets add names and then vote. Here is a start
> >>>>
> >>>> e-Science
> >>>> e-Research
> >>>> Cyberinfrastructure
> >>>> Science (in spirit of NSF which also does education and
> >>>> engineering)
> >>>> Research
> >>>>
> >>>> Gwen Nichols-White wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> All,
> >>>>
> >>>> Attached are the minutes and action items from today's meeting.
> >>>> Our next meeting is scheduled for 10am CST, on Tuesday 6/6/06.
> >>>> Please call if you have questions.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Gwen Nichols-White
> >>>>
> >>>> Program Manager
> >>>>
> >>>> Global Grid Forum
> >>>>
> >>>> Office: 630-252-7163
> >>>>
> >>>> Mobile: 630-337-3176
> >>>>
> >>>> Fax: 630-252-4466
> >>>>
> >>>> email: gnwhite at ggf.org
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> -- :: Geoffrey Fox gcf at indiana.edu FAX 8128567972
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> >>>> cell 8123910207
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> -- :: Geoffrey Fox gcf at indiana.edu FAX 8128567972
> >>>> http://www.infomall.org: Phones Cell 812-219-4643 Home 8123239196
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> >>>> cell 8123910207
> >>>
> >>
> >> -- : : Geoffrey Fox gcf at indiana.edu FAX 8128567972
> >> http://www.infomall.org : Phones Cell 812-219-4643 Home 8123239196
> >> Lab 8128567977 : SkypeIn 812-669-0772 with voicemail, International
> >> cell 8123910207
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> :
> : Geoffrey Fox gcf at indiana.edu FAX 8128567972 http://www.infomall.org
> : Phones Cell 812-219-4643 Home 8123239196 Lab 8128567977
> : SkypeIn 812-669-0772 with voicemail, International cell 8123910207
>
>
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