Action Item on [cads] Community Council Meeting Minutes

[Alan Blatecky]

I don't think we should add infrastructure to the list....I think it is too
broad; moreover, it would even supersede and significantly overlap with
"Enterprise"  and the business communities.

Alan

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-cads at ggf.org [mailto:owner-cads at ggf.org] On Behalf Of Geoffrey
Fox
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 8:47 AM
To: Catlett Charlie
Cc: cads at ggf.org; 'Gwen Nichols-White'
Subject: Re: Action Item on [cads] Community Council Meeting Minutes

Lets add Infrastructure to list of candidates

Catlett Charlie wrote:
>>>> e-Science
> name of a UK program, so too narrow
>
>>>> e-Research
> best not to define yet another new term which does not help 
> communication (the point to choosing a word)
>
>>>> Cyberinfrastructure
> understood broadly in the US, but has a US centrism to it so perhaps 
> too narrow
>
>>>> Science         (in spirit of NSF which also does education and 
>>>> engineering)
> ok, maybe, if we are going for one word*
>
>>>> Research
> no*
>
>>>>
>
> * the trouble with one word is that it paints this group into an 
> academic-only corner.  I am tempted to suggest "Infrastructure" 
> because this group in fact exists within a Grid-oriented organization 
> and thus there is no need to clarify that we are talking e- or cyber- 
> or grid.
>
> If we are infrastructure then we are not tied exclusively to science 
> (most companies, if they do any science, do very little), research 
> (despite similarities with corporate research, this paints an academic 
> club picture), or some particular made-up buzzword like e-Science or 
> cyberinfrastructure.
>
> CeC
>
> On May 23, 2006, at 7:54 PM, Geoffrey Fox wrote:
>
>> We are trying to find one word!
>> The full title can (and at one time did) have Research and 
>> Development in it
>>
>> Robert Cohen wrote:
>>> I would prefer something that sounds a bit less pure research or 
>>> Ivory Tower. Some of what will be covered could also
>>> be done in a development environment or the research side of a 
>>> corporation. Also by dropping cyberinfrastructure the link to 
>>> infrastructure disappears.
>>>
>>> Bob
>>>
>>> Perhaps analytic or Alan Blatecky wrote:
>>>> I vote for Science  - exactly for the reason Geoffrey has mentioned.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Research isn't as broad, and is often set as opposed to education 
>>>> (hence Research and Education networks)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> e-Science and e-Research are trendy, but already have baggage 
>>>> associated.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I like cyberinfrastructure, but is too broad and covers a huge 
>>>> range of disciplines, tools, and so forth.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Alan
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: owner-cads at ggf.org [mailto:owner-cads at ggf.org] On Behalf Of 
>>>> Geoffrey Fox
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 4:11 PM
>>>> To: cads at ggf.org
>>>> Cc: Gwen Nichols-White
>>>> Subject: Action Item on [cads] Community Council Meeting Minutes
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> .         Geoffrey Fox, by next Community call (6/6), to create a 
>>>> shortlist (qty 3) options for single-word name for the 
>>>> "Engineering, Science and Research" function, then socialize 
>>>> amongst the research community to ensure acceptance.  Final 
>>>> decision will be made for functions and areas by the end of June.
>>>>
>>>> We need to find some single word names; here is a start
>>>> Lets add names and then vote. Here is a start
>>>>
>>>> e-Science
>>>> e-Research
>>>> Cyberinfrastructure
>>>> Science         (in spirit of NSF which also does education and 
>>>> engineering)
>>>> Research
>>>>
>>>> Gwen Nichols-White wrote:
>>>>
>>>> All,
>>>>
>>>> Attached are the minutes and action items from today's meeting.  
>>>> Our next meeting is scheduled for 10am CST, on Tuesday 6/6/06.  
>>>> Please call if you have questions.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Gwen Nichols-White
>>>>
>>>> Program Manager
>>>>
>>>> Global Grid Forum
>>>>
>>>> Office:  630-252-7163
>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> email:  gnwhite at ggf.org
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> -- :: Geoffrey Fox  gcf at indiana.edu FAX 8128567972 
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>>>
>>
>> -- : : Geoffrey Fox gcf at indiana.edu FAX 8128567972 
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>> Lab 8128567977 : SkypeIn 812-669-0772 with voicemail, International 
>> cell 8123910207
>
>
>

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