please ignore: this is only a test...
(dealing with list formatting mechanics and rendering issues) // no other way to do this, apologies... meant for follow-on post // preferably want to embed text array though line-wrap issues. // potential that quoted test can surpass limit though need to test it // outside of a post to not degrade readability.... quoted, line-wrap (y/n) (another reference test) - 78 character monospaced Courier New font,
quoted to test line wrap
XX XX XX XX XX XX XX XX XX XX XX XX XX XX XX XX XX XX XX XX XX XX XX XX XX XX
gmail indented, line-wrap (y/n) (another reference test) - 78 character monospaced Courier New font, quoted to test line wrap XX XX XX XX XX XX XX XX XX XX XX XX XX XX XX XX XX XX XX XX XX XX XX XX XX XX gmail double quoted line-wrap (y/n) (another reference test) - 78 character monospaced Courier New font,
quoted to test line wrap
XX XX XX XX XX XX XX XX XX XX XX XX XX XX XX XX XX XX XX XX XX XX XX XX XX XX
indented then quoted, line-wrap (y/n) (another reference test) - 78 character monospaced Courier New font,
quoted to test line wrap
XX XX XX XX XX XX XX XX XX XX XX XX XX XX XX XX XX XX XX XX XX XX XX XX XX XX
{whitespace}
On Thu, 17 Oct 2013, brian carroll wrote: <SNIP an entire page of formatting bullshit> If you *must* support HTML on SMTP, at least have the courtesy to do your testing locally, rather than globally. I am sending this globally, rather than locally, because with the influx of new CP'ers about town, I have zero doubt that this will be a [re]recurring issue. //Alif -- Those who make peaceful change impossible, make violent revolution inevitable. An American Spring is coming: one way or another.
hello. as far as i know, this is not HTML, it is a unicode message. the way it goes through- the list software attaches an HTML file after every post, though there is no text formatting of any kind, other than recognized unicode characters that remain in the text that last post was because some messages can go longer than 77 characters or make it to the list that way, and i was trying to get 78 so as to send a plain-text chart versus an image attachment, and this with respect to cryptographic considerations of a matrix array, as it directly relates to a long history of crypto in these frameworks
quoting text is not HTML either, it is basic email software
again, i do apologize, i tried to append the test to several previous messages though could not arrive at a solution and did not want to interfere with an unrelated text by having a massive error. if everything worked (software, computers, internet, type, gmail) and it could be figured out, that would be ideal, yet things are not particularly well suited to these basic communication tasks and if possible, please filter my posts into the trash and ignore them, it is entirely understandable, it was not clear if it was my posting you referred to previously and consecutively, though i am not as far as is known, sending HTML out from gmail (it does not say, it just says: plain-text, and then non-plain-text, which is RTF or HTML) though it arrives on list as plain-text, with unicode, just as it is sent out, stripped of any HTML. not sure about the list software settings because i do not even get copies of my posts even though that is the setting. and it says plain-text as far as i know, for how to send/receive, and HTML does not make it onto the list, except very rarely in my short interaction here if you say 'no attachments' and no special characters and no html error attachment files (have no idea how to control that), it leaves a very minimal text-only realm to communicate in that would not allow any diagrams, any charts or data that does have relevance to crypto -conceptualization-, ideas. i just do not understand how it makes people so upset in terms of the content, fucking cryptologic fundamentals for fuck'sake. are you really going to go apeshit over a crypto diagram that introduces a new concept and asks for it to be evaluated, especially to challenge the ideas or take other views about it. that is great. though if the idea is HTML is this critique, that is THE BULLSHIT. please filter me out of your email stream, problem solved. then you could stop your recursive bitching and moaning. thanks. On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 7:05 PM, J.A. Terranson <measl@mfn.org> wrote:
On Thu, 17 Oct 2013, brian carroll wrote:
<SNIP an entire page of formatting bullshit>
If you *must* support HTML on SMTP, at least have the courtesy to do your testing locally, rather than globally. I am sending this globally, rather than locally, because with the influx of new CP'ers about town, I have zero doubt that this will be a [re]recurring issue.
//Alif
-- Those who make peaceful change impossible, make violent revolution inevitable.
An American Spring is coming: one way or another.
Cypherpunks: where old net fogies argue about top posting and HTML in email. How 1998.
On 10/17/2013 09:57 PM, Al Billings wrote:
Cypherpunks: where old net fogies argue about top posting and HTML in email.
How 1998.
So did you miss LibTech's 100+ post discussion about footer placement, or have you repressed it? ;-)
Almost feel like I'm back on usenet. On 17/10/2013 9:57 PM, Al Billings wrote:
Cypherpunks: where old net fogies argue about top posting and HTML in email.
How 1998.
-- Kelly John Rose Mississauga, ON Phone: +1 647 638-4104 Twitter: @kjrose Document contents are confidential between original recipients and sender.
On 2013-10-18, at 02:27, Kelly John Rose <iam@kjro.se> wrote:
Almost feel like I'm back on usenet.
You are: http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.comp.security.cypherpunks -- ~j
Almost feel like I'm back on usenet.
You are: http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.comp.security.cypherpunks
Break out the cancelmoose... //Alif -- Those who make peaceful change impossible, make violent revolution inevitable. An American Spring is coming: one way or another.
Al Billings wrote 2013-10-18 03:57:
Cypherpunks: where old net fogies argue about top posting and HTML in email.
How 1998.
There is a way of keeping informed that is disturbed by HTML (and sometimes by top posting). Firstly, HTML-forums with threads are out of the question because it takes way too much time to find out if something of interest has been posted. You can't rely on thread subjects for that. The old mail-list format is much more reliable if you don't want to miss anything. Also, if you don't want to miss anything, you are probably subscribing to the cypherpunks, cryptography@randombits, cryptography@metzdowd and cryptopolitics (low volume at the moment) lists, often receiving a hundred postings every day, or more. Including doubles and triples reposted by Eugene Leitl. To scan these postings with the quick-browse/delete-method (3-4 posts a second) is significantly, irritatingly slower if you have to wait for the fractions of a second that the HTML needs to load. Mob crypto-groupie Stockholm
On 10/18/13 2:40 PM, Mob wrote:
Also, if you don't want to miss anything, you are probably subscribing to the cypherpunks, cryptography@randombits, cryptography@metzdowd and cryptopolitics (low volume at the moment) lists, often receiving a hundred postings every day, or more. Including doubles and triples reposted by Eugene Leitl. To scan these postings with the quick-browse/delete-method (3-4 posts a second) is significantly, irritatingly slower if you have to wait for the fractions of a second that the HTML needs to load. Sounds like you need a better and more efficient system for consuming information, friend. I recommend twitter.
On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 5:40 PM, Mob <mob@mbox301.swipnet.se> wrote:
Also, if you don't want to miss anything, you are probably subscribing to the cypherpunks, cryptography@randombits, cryptography@metzdowd and cryptopolitics (low volume at the moment) lists, often receiving a hundred postings every day, or more. Including doubles and triples reposted by Eugene Leitl. To scan these postings with the quick-browse/delete-method (3-4 posts a second) is significantly, irritatingly slower if you have to wait for the fractions of a second that the HTML needs to load.
Didn't mean to call out brian specificaly, just wow, that's a lot of text to digest, and on and on. Maybe I just missed the summary post somewhere so as to killfile it or not. Similar might be said for Eugen's forwarding... a good crosspollination service to be sure. But many of us are already on all these lists. So we get flooded out with stuf we've already seen and the threading get all screwed to shit. Heck for my part I go months without saying anything useful lately. so happy posting all :)
first the sleeper hold... then the piledriver.... now the C A G E M A T C H ! ! !
On 18.10.2013 23:40, Mob wrote:
hundred postings every day, or more. Including doubles and triples reposted by Eugene Leitl.
Set a filter. I already have a dozen Brian Carroll and another dozen of Eugene Leitl on it. It gets deleted right away. If only people would notice people going this way have never something relevant to say. It's only reposts, at best. And if someone depends on such a user for comments, maybe one is looking in the wrong direction for help.
On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 02:24:16PM +0200, Moon Jones wrote:
On 18.10.2013 23:40, Mob wrote:
hundred postings every day, or more. Including doubles and triples reposted by Eugene Leitl.
Set a filter. I already have a dozen Brian Carroll and another dozen of Eugene Leitl on it. It gets deleted right away.
Moon Jones sees no added value as he subscribes to the very same lists as me. (There is added value for less omniscient/omnipresent, though in order to see it you have to see it from my point of view, and it's not super-big -- I'm mostly a Layer 8 router). I presume filtering for duplicates is easier if I do bounces, so I'll do more of that in future.
If only people would notice people going this way have never something relevant to say. It's only reposts, at best. And if
The relevance is in the followup threads others generate.
someone depends on such a user for comments, maybe one is looking in the wrong direction for help.
I don't do helpdesks, sorry.
On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 11:40:19PM +0200, Mob wrote:
Also, if you don't want to miss anything, you are probably subscribing to the cypherpunks, cryptography@randombits, cryptography@metzdowd and cryptopolitics (low volume at the moment) lists, often receiving a hundred postings every day, or more. Including doubles and triples reposted by Eugene Leitl. To scan
I'm highly sympathetic to your plight, and suggest the following solution: install a procmail recipe to filter out dupes with the same message ID (e.g. <5261AAC3.6050102@mbox301.swipnet.se> in case of the mail I'm replying to) and/or matching Resent-Message-ID: with leitl.org behind it. http://help.cs.umn.edu/email/procmail
these postings with the quick-browse/delete-method (3-4 posts a second) is significantly, irritatingly slower if you have to wait for the fractions of a second that the HTML needs to load.
Wait, numbbutt whiners, there is gold in those duplicates, triplicates. Eugen's multiple posts are not identical. Best save them all for the quite valuable and revealing metadata which differs for each. That metadata's value usually exceeds the stupid bitchings rancid and senseless as oh so witty tweets. And responses from the various fora also differ and provide information and metadata which may be senselessly filtered, typical comsec arrogantly foot shooting and blinding to score points of utter insignificance except to metadata profiling of the gullbile whiners and tut-tutters and tutors. Peer closely: you will see that Eugen is working his ass off on behalf of metadata planters, siphoners and exploiters who designed and run all levels and permutations of open and secret Internet, doing damn fine pinging and backstabbing as high-level trained to do, to work in wolf packs against sheeps gamboling as if their herder was the absolutely incorruptible RISKS operator, planter, siphoner, exploiter, redesigner of an even more pernicious Internet gobbler. At 10:22 AM 10/19/2013, you wrote:
On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 11:40:19PM +0200, Mob wrote:
Also, if you don't want to miss anything, you are probably subscribing to the cypherpunks, cryptography@randombits, cryptography@metzdowd and cryptopolitics (low volume at the moment) lists, often receiving a hundred postings every day, or more. Including doubles and triples reposted by Eugene Leitl. To scan
I'm highly sympathetic to your plight, and suggest the following solution: install a procmail recipe to filter out dupes with the same message ID (e.g. <5261AAC3.6050102@mbox301.swipnet.se> in case of the mail I'm replying to) and/or matching Resent-Message-ID: with leitl.org behind it.
http://help.cs.umn.edu/email/procmail
these postings with the quick-browse/delete-method (3-4 posts a second) is significantly, irritatingly slower if you have to wait for the fractions of a second that the HTML needs to load.
On 10/19/2013 19:41, grarpamp wrote:
http://www.courier-mta.org/maildrop/ http://www.courier-mta.org/maildrop/documentation.html http://www.courier-mta.org/maildrop/maildroptips.html http://www.wonkity.com/~wblock/docs/html/maildrop.html#_filtering_duplicate_...
Or the better solution overall: http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3028.txt Implemented by Dovecot via the Pigeonhole addon. -- staticsafe O< ascii ribbon campaign - stop html mail - www.asciiribbon.org Please don't top post. It is not logical. Please don't CC me! I'm subscribed to whatever list I just posted on.
On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 6:43 PM, brian carroll <electromagnetize@gmail.com> wrote:
... i just do not understand how [HTML mail] makes people so upset in terms of the content, ... please filter me out of your email stream, problem solved. then you could stop your recursive bitching and moaning.
next time implore said individual to fuck off up a chimney and you'll be fully assimilated, welcome brian! ;)
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