Dnia środa, 21 sierpnia 2013 10:39:50 Ruben Pollan pisze:

Quoting Matej Kovacic (2013-08-21 09:49:13)

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All mail sent to the list should then be encrypted (recipient is mailing list address and user has it's public GPG key). Mailing list would then decrypt it, and deliver that message to it's users encrypted and signed.

There is already a mailing list software that does that: https://schleuder2.nadir.org/

Also, I believe Sympa can handle that: https://www.sympa.org/ We have Sympa running our mailing lists at my job, I'll try to test/verify that. -- Pozdr rysiek

What's the point of encrypting the output of a mailing list to which anyone can subscribe? -jp -- Jeffrey Paul +1-312-361-0355 5539 AD00 DE4C 42F3 AFE1 1575 0524 43F4 DF2A 55C2 On 21.08.2013, at 12:05, grarpamp wrote:

On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 6:43 AM, rysiek wrote:

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Dnia środa, 21 sierpnia 2013 10:39:50 Ruben Pollan pisze:

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Quoting Matej Kovacic (2013-08-21 09:49:13)

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All mail sent to the list should then be encrypted (recipient is mailing list address and user has it's public GPG key). Mailing list would then decrypt it, and deliver that message to it's users encrypted and signed.

There is already a mailing list software that does that: https://schleuder2.nadir.org/

Also, I believe Sympa can handle that: https://www.sympa.org/

http://non-gnu.uvt.nl/mailman-ssls/

I think there is probably more value in signed mailing lists than encrypted. If it is encrypted, and the process is anything less than absolutely seamless and transparent, it is likely to drive away a large fraction of the readers. I hardly have time to read or respond to the messages as it is. Add even a few second per message and I would drop out. -Lance -- Lance Cottrell loki@obscura.com On Aug 21, 2013, at 9:49 AM, John Young wrote:

Worse, why limit a cypherpunks list to only those who use encryption? Several of the cpunks' bastard offsprings set up their own gated communities, unable to put up with those who ridiculed their advocacy of really really opinionated discussion of the glories of crypto.

What has been learned since early days of cypherpunks is that all encryption is faulty and survives on willing suspension of disbelief. Not the math, oh never, which is as infallible as the Pope and Muhammad, it's the disbelievers in other people's faith-based communities and who are dedicated to finding faults over there to divert attention from those in here.

Still, even back then, encrypted messages were posted by enthusiasts. Nobody answered, many said get the fuck out.

At 12:20 PM 8/21/2013, you wrote:

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What's the point of encrypting the output of a mailing list to which anyone can subscribe?

-jp

-- Jeffrey Paul +1-312-361-0355 5539 AD00 DE4C 42F3 AFE1 1575 0524 43F4 DF2A 55C2

This assumes the value stays about where it is. -Lance -- Lance Cottrell loki@obscura.com On Aug 21, 2013, at 10:13 AM, Toby St Clere Smithe wrote:

Lance Cottrell writes:

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I hardly have time to read or respond to the messages as it is. Add even a few second per message and I would drop out.

Regardless of the value of the content?

On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 09:50:32PM -0400, alex wright wrote:

I can't imagine trusting enough people that I can't see to necessitate a mailing list. It would certainly be neat, though.

Neat but pretty pointless... You not only have to trust in the integrity and commitment to your cause and resistance to blackmail and being turned of each and every member, you ALSO have to trust them to be highly skilled at maintaining the security and integrity of the node they read the messages on. So not only do you need highly trusted and trustworthy folks to communicate with, you need very technically competent and careful ones who will not make mistakes with node security and whose lives and circumstances allow them to take the required precautions. I suspect finding enough of the latter is actually harder than finding enough of the former... And as for OPEN or PUBLIC mailing lists subject to completely anonymous/pseudonymous or weakly vetted subscription - the purpose of encryption would only seem to be to trap fools. Any serious adversary has the means to clandestinely subscribe nearly untraceably, and if they care most will. And obviously then the encryption only encourages loose talk and carelessness that an open list would tend to suppress. -- Dave Emery N1PRE/AE, die@dieconsulting.com DIE Consulting, Weston, Mass 02493 "An empty zombie mind with a forlorn barely readable weatherbeaten 'For Rent' sign still vainly flapping outside on the weed encrusted pole - in celebration of what could have been, but wasn't and is not to be now either."