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John Newman

13 Aug 2018 13 Aug '18

2:14 p.m.

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Zenaan Harkness

13 Aug 13 Aug

2:29 p.m.

On Mon, Aug 13, 2018 at 10:14:35AM -0400, John Newman wrote:

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https://www.thedailybeast.com/julian-assange-went-after-a-former-ally-it-bac...

On cue. What say you about this, John Newman?

Razer

4:33 p.m.

-------- Original message --------From: Zenaan Harkness Date: 8/13/18 7:29 AM (GMT-08:00) To: cypherpunks@lists.cpunks.org Subject: Re: Assange vs Barrett Brown On Mon, Aug 13, 2018 at 10:14:35AM -0400, John Newman wrote:

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https://www.thedailybeast.com/julian-assange-went-after-a-former-ally-it-bac...

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On cue. What say you about this, John Newman?

Barrett Brown is a big-headed egotistical schmuck who alienates people. Julian Assange has an ego, but he knows how to check it, work with others, and get things done. Assange has allies. Brown had cohorts(acquaintances) and cronies. He's declined dramatically since ProjectPM. His writings on Pursuance read like a public bathroom screed https://auntieimperial.tumblr.com/post/83214869988. Rr

Zenaan Harkness

14 Aug 14 Aug

12:14 p.m.

On Mon, Aug 13, 2018 at 09:33:08AM -0700, Razer wrote:

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-------- Original message --------From: Zenaan Harkness Date: 8/13/18 7:29 AM (GMT-08:00) To: cypherpunks@lists.cpunks.org Subject: Re: Assange vs Barrett Brown On Mon, Aug 13, 2018 at 10:14:35AM -0400, John Newman wrote:

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https://www.thedailybeast.com/julian-assange-went-after-a-former-ally-it-bac...

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On cue. What say you about this, John Newman?

Barrett Brown is a big-headed egotistical schmuck who alienates people. Julian Assange has an ego, but he knows how to check it, work with others, and get things done. Assange has allies. Brown had cohorts(acquaintances) and cronies. He's declined dramatically since ProjectPM. His writings on Pursuance read like a public bathroom screed https://auntieimperial.tumblr.com/post/83214869988.

Thank you.

John Newman

2:19 p.m.

On Mon, Aug 13, 2018 at 09:33:08AM -0700, Razer wrote:

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-------- Original message --------From: Zenaan Harkness Date: 8/13/18 7:29 AM (GMT-08:00) To: cypherpunks@lists.cpunks.org Subject: Re: Assange vs Barrett Brown On Mon, Aug 13, 2018 at 10:14:35AM -0400, John Newman wrote:

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https://www.thedailybeast.com/julian-assange-went-after-a-former-ally-it-bac...

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On cue. What say you about this, John Newman?

Barrett Brown is a big-headed egotistical schmuck who alienates people. Julian Assange has an ego, but he knows how to check it, work with others, and get things done. Assange has allies. Brown had cohorts(acquaintances) and cronies. He's declined dramatically since ProjectPM. His writings on Pursuance read like a public bathroom screed https://auntieimperial.tumblr.com/post/83214869988. Rr

Yeah, I don't know much about Barrett, except some of his writings are fairly amusing. And, unlike Julian, he did like ~4years in an actual federal prison.. Maybe it's just me, but I'd much rather sit in an embassy in London with visitors and real food and real internet (etc) than sit in a Federal prison in the US. This is not to take away from Julians plight, which is dire, and bogus, and fucked up... I also do tend to think that some of the shit Julian was sending to Trump Jr over twitter - asking to be made the ambassador to Australia, telling him to be prepared to dispute the outcome of the election, basically all sorts of shit that falls completely outside the idea of "transparency", which so thickly permeates the wikileaks mission statement. Again - not to take away from all the great shit they've done... its just a bit ugly. -- GPG fingerprint: 17FD 615A D20D AFE8 B3E4 C9D2 E324 20BE D47A 78C7

Razer

6:16 p.m.

Drawing a blank? On 08/14/2018 07:19 AM, John Newman wrote:

John Newman

6:44 p.m.

On Tue, Aug 14, 2018 at 11:16:50AM -0700, Razer wrote:

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Drawing a blank?

No way, Jack. My (poorly written) email had stuff in it - https://lists.cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/2018-August/042947.html

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On 08/14/2018 07:19 AM, John Newman wrote:

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jim bell

7:23 p.m.

On Tuesday, August 14, 2018, 11:44:31 AM PDT, John Newman wrote: On Tue, Aug 14, 2018 at 11:16:50AM -0700, Razer wrote:

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Drawing a blank?

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No way, Jack. My (poorly written) email had stuff in it -

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https://lists.cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/2018-August/042947.html

In that, I saw: "I also do tend to think that some of the shit Julian was sending to Trump Jr over twitter - asking to be made the ambassador to Australia, telling him to be prepared to dispute the outcome of the election..." I do recall that prior to the 2016 election, many people were criticizing Trump for failing to state that he would accept the result of the election. Jim Bell

Razer

8:16 p.m.

For some reason John's emails showed up blank. Even in plaintext mode. No attachments. This one too. "Re: Next Year's Federal Military budget over $700 billion. Is that a problem?" Rr On 08/14/2018 12:23 PM, jim bell wrote:

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On Tuesday, August 14, 2018, 11:44:31 AM PDT, John Newman wrote:

On Tue, Aug 14, 2018 at 11:16:50AM -0700, Razer wrote:

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Drawing a blank? No way, Jack. My (poorly written) email had stuff in it - https://lists.cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/2018-August/042947.html

In that, I saw: "I also do tend to think that some of the shit Julian was sending to Trump Jr over twitter - asking to be made the ambassador to Australia, telling him to be prepared to dispute the outcome of the election..." I do recall that prior to the 2016 election, many people were criticizing Trump for failing to state that he would accept the result of the election. Jim Bell

Razer

8:21 p.m.

On 08/14/2018 12:23 PM, jim bell wrote:

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On Tuesday, August 14, 2018, 11:44:31 AM PDT, John Newman wrote:

On Tue, Aug 14, 2018 at 11:16:50AM -0700, Razer wrote:

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Drawing a blank?

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No way, Jack. My (poorly written) email had stuff in it -

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https://lists.cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/2018-August/042947.html

OK... In re "And, unlike Julian, he did like ~4years in an actual federal prison.." That's because he was (and perhaps is again) a stupid junkie. He actually threatened a fed investigating him. His EGO took him down. Have I mentioned if there's ONE DEFINING TRAIT of a Junkie, it's their stupid fucking egos. I'm SURE I've brought that up before. Rr

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In that, I saw: "I also do tend to think that some of the shit Julian was sending to Trump Jr over twitter - asking to be made the ambassador to Australia, telling him to be prepared to dispute the outcome of the election..." I do recall that prior to the 2016 election, many people were criticizing Trump for failing to state that he would accept the result of the election. Jim Bell

Razer

8:32 p.m.

On 08/14/2018 12:23 PM, jim bell wrote:

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On Tuesday, August 14, 2018, 11:44:31 AM PDT, John Newman wrote:

On Tue, Aug 14, 2018 at 11:16:50AM -0700, Razer wrote:

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Drawing a blank?

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No way, Jack. My (poorly written) email had stuff in it -

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https://lists.cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/2018-August/042947.html

In that, I saw: "I also do tend to think that some of the shit Julian was sending to Trump Jr over twitter - asking to be made the ambassador to Australia, telling him to be prepared to dispute the outcome of the election..." I do recall that prior to the 2016 election, many people were criticizing Trump for failing to state that he would accept the result of the election. Jim Bell

Odd. The message IS visible onsite at riseup, but the emails show a blank in thunderbird. Only John's... The text DOES appear if I View Message Source. Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on spoonbill.riseup.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Pyzor: Reported 0 times. X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.7 required=5.0 tests=AM_TRUNCATED,BAYES_50, CK_419SIZE,CK_KARD_SIZE,DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,FORWARD_RELAY, SPF_PASS shortcircuit=no autolearn=disabled version=3.4.1 Delivered-To: g2s@riseup.net Received: from mx1.riseup.net (mx1-pn.riseup.net [10.0.1.33]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "COMODO RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (verified OK)) by spoonbill.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 72F2E10B for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2018 11:44:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wintermute.synfin.org (synfin.org [198.154.106.50]) by mx1.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BFA81A08FA for ; Tue, 14 Aug 2018 11:44:08 -0700 (PDT) Authentication-Results: mx1.riseup.net; dkim=pass reason="1024-bit key; unprotected key/testing" header.d=synfin.org header.i=@synfin.org header.b=VvRfplkQ; dkim-adsp=pass; dkim-atps=neutral Received: from wintermute.synfin.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wintermute.synfin.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A502F336B63; Tue, 14 Aug 2018 14:44:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at synfin.org Received: from wintermute.synfin.org ([127.0.0.1]) by wintermute.synfin.org (wintermute.synfin.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 3WQqDMhicRok; Tue, 14 Aug 2018 14:44:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wintermute.synfin.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id E2A84336B60; Tue, 14 Aug 2018 14:44:06 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=synfin.org; s=SYNFIN; t=1534272246; bh=fP+XN5TO2cC7hOqb5NRa8ks7oLW+pmLnPzqqzN31sNY=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To; b=VvRfplkQXa7ruew8Ntmc9b69IBRK/DiTcSxaUEszCoNPEV4mk0SS1Ym9KACmgNs9o BZk3ENPm8benx2JAXRUcWNukAlk5JdRbQ/rcyGD+ltB7jCo9wI6gWCawsI/hMnu2gS VqfElQQPeczD2C5kYzzccdft24V2+hXqqnJDQpkA= Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2018 14:44:06 -0400 From: John Newman To: Razer Cc: cypherpunks@lists.cpunks.org Subject: Re: Assange vs Barrett Brown Message-ID: <20180814184406.syj4qbwk5muxicua@synfin.org> References: <20180813142938.t3zlqc6jtykl2uel@eye.freedbms.net> <20180813163317.5577811C020B@pglaf.org> <20180814141936.q62p7srblwobfc3p@synfin.org> <7efc2d6a-ae61-a9c1-a7a5-7c95cac251d5@riseup.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="ayya7elb5ctl3f6s" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <7efc2d6a-ae61-a9c1-a7a5-7c95cac251d5@riseup.net> User-Agent: NeoMutt/20180716 --ayya7elb5ctl3f6s Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Aug 14, 2018 at 11:16:50AM -0700, Razer wrote:

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Drawing a blank?

No way, Jack. My (poorly written) email had stuff in it -=20 https://lists.cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/2018-August/042947.html

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On 08/14/2018 07:19 AM, John Newman wrote:

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John Newman

8:47 p.m.

On Tue, Aug 14, 2018 at 01:32:09PM -0700, Razer wrote:

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On 08/14/2018 12:23 PM, jim bell wrote:

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On Tuesday, August 14, 2018, 11:44:31 AM PDT, John Newman wrote:

On Tue, Aug 14, 2018 at 11:16:50AM -0700, Razer wrote:

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Drawing a blank?

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No way, Jack. My (poorly written) email had stuff in it -

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https://lists.cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/2018-August/042947.html

In that, I saw: "I also do tend to think that some of the shit Julian was sending to Trump Jr over twitter - asking to be made the ambassador to Australia, telling him to be prepared to dispute the outcome of the election..." I do recall that prior to the 2016 election, many people were criticizing Trump for failing to state that he would accept the result of the election. Jim Bell

Odd. The message IS visible onsite at riseup, but the emails show a blank in thunderbird. Only John's... The text DOES appear if I View Message Source.

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From: John Newman

To: Razer

Cc: cypherpunks@lists.cpunks.org

Subject: Re: Assange vs Barrett Brown

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On Tue, Aug 14, 2018 at 11:16:50AM -0700, Razer wrote:

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Drawing a blank?

No way, Jack. My (poorly written) email had stuff in it -=20

https://lists.cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/2018-August/042947.html

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On 08/14/2018 07:19 AM, John Newman wrote:

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Something about NeoMutt's encoding perhaps?

Odd, IDK. I haven't had any other trouble, but - who knows? Maybe I'll revert to back to plain old mutt, although I like some of the patches neomutt incorporates. It's essentially mutt, with a bunch of patches applied, conveniently packaged on freebsd. John

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Rr

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